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My brother and I were talking about this the other day.

How long does "Star Wars" last? Is it a few days or a matter of hours from Luke meeting Ben to the Death Star blowing up?

In "Empire" how long is Luke training, and cosequently, how long do the gang spend cooped up in the Falcon (with no changes of clothes!).

"Jedi" seems the easiest to figure, as it's in the narratvie that they go straight from Jabba to the rendevous. Maybe a day or two?

TPM seems a couple days, AOTC seems a few weeks, and ROTS takes at least a few months, but any guesses as to a more precise time frame?

What's your best guess? Is there an official answer for this?

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I believe Star Wars is a few days, and Kershner said that Empire took place over the course of several months.

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Leaving Hoth is the time reference, as both sets of characters (Luke & R2, Han & the gang) left within a few minutes, maybe an hour or two, tops, of each other.

I could see the Luke & Yoda scenes being stretched over a few weeks, maybe, but what were the gang on the Falcon doing during all that time?

Han & co went from escaping Hoth into the asteroid field, out of the slug to hitching a ride on the SD, then to Bespin.  I can't see that chain of events taking months, or even weeks.  Maybe a few days, tops.

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Except that they have to traverse through space to another star system without the aid of a hyperdrive, which could've well taken months. Thus, truncated timeline. Makes Luke's surprising competency with a lightsaber after only a brief crash-course on Dagobah a bit more believable...

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Yeah, Ziz, I always had a hard time buying that, too, until I realized that the big time skip had to take place when the Falcon headed for Bespin.  Like Akwat just said, they had no hyperdrive, so the trip had to take a long time, and that also gave Luke sufficient time to train.  So the time skip would be the wipe in between Boba Fett following and Luke (once again) lifting rocks.

I think it could have been done in a more convincing way.  Kershner has always complained that Empire moved too fast for his liking, and that it was George who wanted it pushed as speedily as possible.  Maybe it was Kersh's intention to make the passage of time more obvious.  But I'm certainly glad, however rushed it feels, that it does exist.  Otherwise, we have Luke becoming a proficient Jedi-in-training in a matter of days, and that's just bizarre.

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You think what we have now is speedy? From what I hear, when Lucas came back for the editing phase, and tried editing Empire, it was faster and more choppy than what we have now. Thank goodness for Kershner saving the day again.

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I said that Kershner still thinks it's too speedy.  Yes, George came in and re-edited the film.  It stunk.  But Kersh still had to make some concessions to him.

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If the ship is traveling fast enough, wouldn't more time elapse on Dagobah than in the ship?  Might that explain how Luke had time to train while relatively (no pun intended) little time passed on Han's ship?

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I don't buy the months-elapsed-in-ESB thing. That's not in the film we have, whatever Kershner intended.

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Gaffer Tape said:

I said that Kershner still thinks it's too speedy.  Yes, George came in and re-edited the film.  It stunk.  But Kersh still had to make some concessions to him.

 

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Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't buy the months-elapsed-in-ESB thing. That's not in the film we have, whatever Kershner intended.

 

I was always under the impression it was a few days. There's really nothing whatsoever in the movie to suggest otherwise.

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DarkFather said:
Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't buy the months-elapsed-in-ESB thing. That's not in the film we have, whatever Kershner intended.

 

I was always under the impression it was a few days. There's really nothing whatsoever in the movie to suggest otherwise.

 

 I agree. Did Boba trail behind the Falcon for months? If they were on the Falcon for months, wouldn't Han have put the moves on Leia.

I think it couldn't have been more than a few days... and Luke just got a major crash course in Jediness.

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episode one takes place 30 yrs. before ANH. AOTC is ten years later. ROTS is two years later. ANH is 18 years later. ESB is 3

yrs later. ROTJ is 6 months later. its two days before they do the briefing at the rendevouze. in empire, according to the

novel luke is on daghobah for four months at least. thats standard btw.

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Whatever the intention ESB feels like a span of a few days at most. Wasn't the whole point of going to cloud city that it was relatively close to where they were?

LEIA: What did you have in mind for your next move?

HAN: Well, if they follow standard Imperial procedure, they'll dump
their garbage before they go to light-speed, then we just float away.

LEIA: With the rest of the garbage. Then what?

HAN: Then we've got to find a safe port somewhere around here. Got any
ideas?

There's really nothing in the movie to indicate a great passage of time. Maybe they should have done a token 80's training montage?

 

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Johnny Ringo said:

There's really nothing in the movie to indicate a great passage of time. Maybe they should have done a token 80's training montage?

 

 

 Intercut with shots of wacky things as everyone tries to live on the Falcon for months. Waiting in line for Leia to use the shower, doing laundry, Leia finding out that Chewie used her razors to shave, lots of playign holo-chess.

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Johnny Ringo said:

Whatever the intention ESB feels like a span of a few days at most. Wasn't the whole point of going to cloud city that it was relatively close to where they were?

LEIA: What did you have in mind for your next move?

HAN: Well, if they follow standard Imperial procedure, they'll dump
their garbage before they go to light-speed, then we just float away.

LEIA: With the rest of the garbage. Then what?

HAN: Then we've got to find a safe port somewhere around here. Got any
ideas?

There's really nothing in the movie to indicate a great passage of time. Maybe they should have done a token 80's training montage?

 

AH! but you for got one line from Han, "Bespin is pretty far but i think we can make it"

 

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True, but I still don't get the impression that they traveled for more than a day or so.

 

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rcb said:
Johnny Ringo said:

Whatever the intention ESB feels like a span of a few days at most. Wasn't the whole point of going to cloud city that it was relatively close to where they were?

LEIA: What did you have in mind for your next move?

HAN: Well, if they follow standard Imperial procedure, they'll dump
their garbage before they go to light-speed, then we just float away.

LEIA: With the rest of the garbage. Then what?

HAN: Then we've got to find a safe port somewhere around here. Got any
ideas?

There's really nothing in the movie to indicate a great passage of time. Maybe they should have done a token 80's training montage?

 

AH! but you for got one line from Han, "Bespin is pretty far but i think we can make it"

 

 

Yeah, but I think that's pretty far but still "somewhere around here".

The claim that months pass during ESB is bizarre because there is a conspicuous lack of anything onscreen to suggest that months pass. My thinking is the months thing was the original plan (and thus got into the novelization), but was dumped. Edited out or whatever. Maybe months was Kershner's idea but Lucas wanted to go with days. 

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I agree that it feels like a very short amount of time, but I have to convince myself it's months, otherwise the whole damn thing feels very implausible to me. I refuse to believe that Luke learned everything he needed to know about the Jedi arts in a matter of days. It's ridiculous.

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Johnny Ringo said:

There's really nothing in the movie to indicate a great passage of time. Maybe they should have done a token 80's training montage?

 

 Funny you should mention the token montage:

 

From the 4th draft of the script:

306X. EXT BOG CLEARING - SWAMP - DUSK - DAGOBAH
(formerly part 310)

Luke runs through the dense jungle on the last leg of what must have been quite a marathon. Yoda rides in a pouch on Luke's back. The young apprentice is sweaty and exhausted. He stumbles into the clearing where Artoo has been patiently waiting. As Luke is about to collapse, Yoda throws a small metal bar in front of him. Luke ignites his laser sword and swings at it. He missed and the bar falls to the ground. Luke does too.

LUKE
(breathless)
I can't... Too tired.

YODA
It would be in seven pieces, were you a Jedi.

LUKE
(gasping)
I thought I was in good shape.

YODA
Yes, but by what standard, ask I? Forget your old measures. Unlearn, heh, unlearn.


307X. EXT YODA'S BOG (MONTAGE) - DAY - DAGOBAH
(formerly 308)

At the edge of a wide pond, Yoda sits on a log. In his mouth is a Gimer Stick, a short twig with three little branches at the far end. Luke is nowhere in sight, but now we begin to hear the sound of someone crashing through the foliage. Suddenly Luke appears on the far side of the pond at a run and leaps out toward Yoda. It's an extraordinary leap, but he falls short by six feet, creating a huge splash, which drenches Yoda and his Gimer Stick.


308X. EXT YODA'S BOG (MONTAGE) - DAY - DAGOBAH
(formerly 307)

In the bog clearing, Yoda and Luke sit facing two bowling ball-size rocks. Artoo observes from the side. Luke stares at the rocks, Yoda stares at Luke. Slowly, one of the rocks lifts from the ground and floats up to rest on the other. Luke smiles with satisfaction and turns to Yoda for approval. The floating rock tumbles off. Artoo beeps his review.


309X. EXT YODA'S BOG (MONTAGE) - DAY - DAGOBAH
(formerly 309 and part 310)

Luke's face is upside-down and showing enormous strain. Soon we see why. He is standing on his hands and Yoda is perched up on Luke's feet. Yoda taps Luke's leg. Luke focusing and quickly removes one hand. His body wavers, but he maintains his balance.

Artoo races up to his master whistling and beeping like mad. Luke is trying to maintain his balance, desperately and finally collapses. Yoda jumps clear.

 

These ideas are carried over from the novel.  There is evidence that most of this (like Luke cutting the metal bar) was filmed, but cut out later.

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Wait... so... why is Yoda carrying his gimer stick in his mouth?  That's a very weird mental image.

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Are you thinking of his cane?  I think somewhere along the line, the cane started to be called a gimer stick.  I don't think they were the same thing originally.

The montage shows that a bit more time was devoted to Luke's training, although it doesn't answer the question of how much time.

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Continuing on this tangent for another moment, I was thinking of his cane.  I thought they were the same thing.  What's his gimer stick if not his cane, and, whatever it is, what logical purpose would it serve to be in his mouth?  Unless Yoda's into that sort of thing...  "Tie me up, you will!  Put phallic-shaped objects in my mouth, you will!  'Tauntaun' the safe word is!"

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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*shudder*

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