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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020 — Page 10

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Screencaps from The Phantom Menace 4K Bluray if anyone interested.

https://imgur.com/a/LdwU7yF

Whoever uploaded that did not tone map them correctly. Color is ways over saturated and detail is crushed.

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Across various 4K bluray rips I saw, they don’t look anyhow better. It’s what it is.

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According to the digital bits, Rouge One is the only movie reviewed, so far, that peaks at 4000 nits in HDR 10. The Others (1-8) only peak at 1000 nits. And episode 8 no longer has Dolby Vision in its 4k physical disc, but all digital files of the Saga and spin offs have Dolby Vision.
Weird.
https://thedigitalbits.com/item/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-uhd

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Across various 4K bluray rips I saw, they don’t look anyhow better. It’s what it is.

I honestly think a lot of that has to do with how confused and weird the whole UHD thing is on a tech level. There’s no standardized “HDR” format, and the need for an “HDR” format doesn’t even honestly make that much sense, especially not when you see how it’s been applied.

Most consumers didn’t even really understand the benefits of what 1080p were offering, or how to appreciate them correctly, before the industry started running 4K at them. For a lot of people, 1080p = “motion smoothing on, icy blue colors and 16x9 at all costs” and that’s what “HD” was.

And then for 4k they added something like 3 different “HDR” formats, none of which seem to have anything to do with making stuff look better, just louder. And accuracy to what it looked like when it was shot is completely out the window, and nobody has a standardized way to get the picture info back to what it was supposed to look like before these artificially pumped-up grades were applied, so everything becomes a guessing game of “is this what it’s supposed to look like” on a player-to-player basis.

4K didn’t need to be the unnecessary mess that it currently is, and I think a huge part of why the format won’t ever take off is due to that mess. You can’t reliably put a disc into a player and have it look the way the directors and cinematographers intended it to look when they made it, and that sucks.

Maybe when this coronavirus basically relegates movie theaters to nothing more than blockbuster theme park rides (Disney will probably own all exhibition in five years and LITERALLY make them theme parks for Marvel, Star Wars, Disney, and Pixar releases) someone will figure out how to make the cheap 4K smart TVs we’re all buying (because they’re the only option available anymore) reliably display a standardized image that looks great and takes advantage of the resolution AND the color gamut without dealing with competing and incompatible formats.

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Tantive3+1 said:

Darth Dougal said:

Apologies if anyone else commented on this previously, but I wonder if LFL/Disney intend to sit on the unreleased footage from Ep. IV etc. and the OT editions until the 50th anniversary of Star Wars?

It’s a horrible thought, but maybe they are already thinking ahead to 2027?

That’s when the 8K versions will be released so probably.

Also besides Greedo saying “Ma Klounkee” and a new sky on Tatooine, what are the other new changes done for the 19SE?

I’ve been trying to compile a list, but so far I haven’t been able to do a side by side. This is what I have so far and I will update it as I find more.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Changes-to-the-Disney-2019-SE-of-the-Original-Trilogy/id/72130

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Darth Dougal said:

Apologies if anyone else commented on this previously, but I wonder if LFL/Disney intend to sit on the unreleased footage from Ep. IV etc. and the OT editions until the 50th anniversary of Star Wars?

It’s a horrible thought, but maybe they are already thinking ahead to 2027?

They could be. I was hoping the previously unseen outtakes (alternate Death Star conference scene, etc) unveiled during the 40th anniversary celebrations would be part of the 4K set’s bonus features. Sadly not.

Who knows whether physical media will still be around in 2027? I suspect DISNEY are sitting on and plan on using the wealth of unseen material for their digital services. If the OOT is ever released by them, it’ll be exclusive to the service.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens after Lucas passes. The original versions are simply too important to people for DISNEY not to do anything with them.

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Fated-Dualist said:

Tantive3+1 said:

Darth Dougal said:

Apologies if anyone else commented on this previously, but I wonder if LFL/Disney intend to sit on the unreleased footage from Ep. IV etc. and the OT editions until the 50th anniversary of Star Wars?

It’s a horrible thought, but maybe they are already thinking ahead to 2027?

That’s when the 8K versions will be released so probably.

Also besides Greedo saying “Ma Klounkee” and a new sky on Tatooine, what are the other new changes done for the 19SE?

doubleofive did a trilogy of articles on the changes for the 2019 SE / Disney+ version of the Original Trilogy on ‘The Digital Bits’ website. They are linked below, along with some changes yotsuya has also found:-

Changes to the Disney+ 2019 SE of the Original Trilogy
 

and also in the 1st post of doubleofive’s fantastic Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes thread in the ‘Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases’ forum; with more info on the various changes, including the 2019 SE, such as 13las’ great videos too.

doubleofive’s site - https://starwarsviscomp.wordpress.com, and his SWVC twitter - https://twitter.com/StarWarsVisComp are well worth a look at too.

So many new changes for the OT, but are there any new changes for the PT? If not, I’d find that interesting.

Analog Releases of Films That Contain Deleted, Extended, & Alternate Footage That’ve Never Been Released on DVD/BluRay

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Revenge of the Sith. I noticed that in the establishing shot of the opera the image on the right weirdly stretches. The same thing occurs in Disney+ version.

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I got the Best Buy set this morning and watched ANH, might fire up ESB tonight if I have the time. I remember being really impressed with the way the D+ versions looked on the Roku TV with DolbyVision in my apartment, then looking at them on the Samsung with HDR10 at my parents’ house when I was home for Thanksgiving and thinking they looked really washed out and dull. I’m not sure what they did here, but the disc looks so, so much better on that very same Samsung TV, so I’m pleased so far. Can’t wait to see the next iteration of Despecialized and whatever other projects here are sourced from this.

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I seen that the new individual 4k cases have Ultimate Collectors Edition, on a red ribbon type banner at the bottom. Can’t see if the new Blu-ray only has it or not. The Old Blu-ray set was just a single disc, and the new has two disc )if I’m not mistaken). 4k obviously have 3 disc.

New 4k:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B083XQ6SW2/ref=tmm_fbs_frk_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1585689340&sr=8-3#immersive-view_1585689383288

Old 2019 Blu-ray single disc case (Multiscreen Edition):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07TNVWQCZ/ref=tmm_fbs_blu_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=

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Apparently the UHD TLJ is a new encoding on this set (changing the HDR specs). Does anyone know if there is any notable difference in grading or encoding quality compared to the previous release?

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Dazman said:

Found this site: https://starwarsscreencaps.com/. Can someone better versed tell how accurate the captures are?

Looking through A New Hope. They are pretty accurate. Not 100%, but good enough.
Great find.

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This sounds like a mess and yet another overstuffed box of nothing with a new version that’s two steps forward 10 backward. The prequel digital origins of AOTC and ROTS means it’s an upscale of an upscale. They haven’t even done new work on those and everyone involved seems happy to always utilize older flawed materials even if there has been 4K work done as happened on the OT. TPM is stuck in a film/early digital no man’s land and has been treated appallingly. This should look as good as a 90’s film with early CG sequences for the majority of the feature run time and then a properly managed hybrid for the digital heavy scenes.
Ultimately these new discs will only highlight the flaws even further.

I hope the audio is better in terms of mix for everything but I’m sure it’s even worse than the 2011 6.1 tracks as each and every release is plain bad post 97SE.

The best is yet to come since we now have the disc versions of what we’ve been pouring over on D+. If these are indeed from new fully 4K materials then the ability is there to reconstruct the OOT-but no one has put the money down and bitten the bullet to do so.

However if it were me in charge I’d say forget all of that and start COMPLETELY from scratch to ensure every single step is done right. There’s no telling what could have been glossed over in the process and there needs to be professional outside restoration professionals in charge of accuracy.

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As far as preservation source material goes, I’d say these new UHD releases are distinctly better than the 2011 Blu’s. It really looks like DNR took a heavy toll on the UHD’s, but the color is better – in particular it doesn’t have the clipping due to the boosted magentas that the 2011 Blu’s have. So, more fine image detail, better color, less clipped detail… that’s pretty good. Unfortunately it will still require a bucketload of fake grain to get it looking like a movie, but there’s always something with these Lucasfilm home video releases, isn’t there? Four eyed stormtroopers and whatnot, they never get it right.

Have to say I’m a little disappointed by the grain. I was really hoping the lack of grain/frozen grain on the Disney+ versions was just due to how the stream was encoded, and the disks would be better… but it was not to be. I can’t believe people are still doing this to movies on purpose.

But, hooray for new source materials. Fire up the editors.

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Apparently, the HDR and Dolby Vision on the original saga films is pretty piss-poor. Disney also didn’t bother to even re-scan The Phantom Menace natively in 4K and instead used the original 1999 DI. This is provocatively lazy.
Hell, pretty much all their releases are sourced from 2K DIs. Even their flagship stuff like Endgame!

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RashadShehadeh said:

Apparently, the HDR and Dolby Vision on the original saga films is pretty piss-poor. Disney also didn’t bother to even re-scan The Phantom Menace natively in 4K and instead used the original 1999 DI. This is provocatively lazy.
Hell, pretty much all their releases are sourced from 2K DIs. Even their flagship stuff like Endgame!

Thats sort of how the whole movie industry works, not just disney. For the film industry, 4K really has not been worth it until perhaps very recently. And its not really that big of a deal. You have films like endgame mastered on 2K and looking fanatastic on IMAX, its just not worth quadrupiling rendertimes for minimal benefit.

TPM was never going to get a full 4K treatment. This isnt like Star Wars 77 where the original elements can be rescanned and reassembled. TPMs master negative IS the original digital filmouts.

Its basically impossible to take one of these 90s-2000s films, rescan the elements and rerender the CGI. considering the difficulty of resourcing digital assets, vintage software and the hardware to run it, the huge number of addition plugins and programes that would make a film like that run. It would be easier just to make a new movie from scratch.

The film is locked at 2K forever and so is practically every other film from since then till nowish. Its not a big deal.

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From what I can gather about this set, the state of the alien dialog subs is interestingly inconsistent.

I, II, and IV have forced sub tracks.

VI and VII have burned in subs.

(IIRC, the others have no such subs).

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RashadShehadeh said:

Apparently, the HDR and Dolby Vision on the original saga films is pretty piss-poor. Disney also didn’t bother to even re-scan The Phantom Menace natively in 4K and instead used the original 1999 DI. This is provocatively lazy.
Hell, pretty much all their releases are sourced from 2K DIs. Even their flagship stuff like Endgame!

There is a very good analysis of the HDR aspect (or not) of the Disney+ versions here, courtesy of Vincent Teoh:

https://youtu.be/VGZmMjPJiAk

I recommend Vincent’s TV reviews, if anyone is in the market for one.

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Pretty sure that video was subsequently derided for being mostly inaccurate?

The whole “4K Era” is riddled with these sorts of problems. The tech was sorta rushed into place, and gimmicked to hell and back as it got introduced, and as such you have a ton of people who don’t really know what it is, what it can do, and how it does it.

But they all seem to have various ideas on how it gets done WRONG, haha. If anything, the primary lesson most people seem to have learned from the 4K era is that most everything isn’t even MADE in 4K. It’s gotta be sort of disillusioning to spend all that money on all those “Ks” only to find out you weren’t able to really tell the difference between 2 and 4k the whole time - and still can’t.

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towne32 said:

From what I can gather about this set, the state of the alien dialog subs is interestingly inconsistent.

I, II, and IV have forced sub tracks.

VI and VII have burned in subs.

(IIRC, the others have no such subs).

Apparently IX also has subs for Nien Nunb (and others?) on a subtitle track.

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Broom Kid said:

Pretty sure that video was subsequently derided for being mostly inaccurate?

If you can point me to an article or video from someone who knows what they are doing, I would like to see it. That’s not meant to be a bar room challenge, by the way 😃

To be honest I don’t know exactly what kind of test people should conduct to verify the HDR content of video. Any advice on that front would be welcome!

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Here is what you get with a 2k film in 4k. You get finer noise from video compression artifacts and so what you see is closer to the uncompressed 2k version of the film. So you do get a better film experience with 4k. Even if the content is upscaled. If the goal is as close to an uncompressed film experience as possible, then a 2k film on a 4k disc and a 4k screen is the closest you can get. It is not pointless.

Also, The Phantom Menace is not from any 1999 versions. The 1999 digital version (nicely captured and share in 1080p) is more cropped and has different colors. It was rescanned for the Blu-ray and has different colors and more image. If there is any piece of the 1999 DI, it is likely the original pod race sequence that was released in HD. It is more cropped than the BR but it doesn’t seem as cropped as the DVD and EU HD broadcast.

And I would like to see if anyone can confirm the subtitles. If any of the films have burned in subtitles on them I likely won’t want the set. I want a capture of TFA from Disney+ because it DOESN’T have burned in subs.

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If “piss poor” HDR means subtle, that’s exactly what i want for a classic film. Not something revisionist.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.