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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 9

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FreezingTNT2 said:

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Looking at how Rose character was handled in TROS to please those people that hated on her, including these that sent Kelly Marie Tran death threats I was thinking about offending those f*ckers a stitch more:
Why not cut the Fin Rose romance from 8 and retcon Paige from being Rose sister to being her wife and turn their amulet into some sort of wedding ring.

jaw drops Why make Rose lesbian?

I’m of the Taika Waititi camp, that if it doesn’t serve the story, a scene hinting at sexual orientation is just useless. If we’re trying to normalize things, we should treat those characters as people. I never had to see who Luke wanted to sleep with, to follow his story.

I just don’t know how you could pull that off, without a lot of work.

It’s a bit of an uphill battle, just to offend some people who probably wouldn’t see the cut anyway. I would love to see a gay Star Wars character…but I want there to be more substance to that character, besides their orientation. The Mandalorian would still be a good show, if the protagonist ended up gay, because there’s more to them than that. It’s just a problem I see with Disney at times, where the political statement is more important than the story.

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My take at first thought after seeing it. I would have Rey die after saving everyone, and so does Kylo when being blasted off the edge. Maybe with sadder music when he dies? Then i would just cut all the Rey scenes after and end the movie during the celebration. Fin is walking around looking at everyone and the mood is perfect for if Rey had died and Finn is feeling it in that moment, but also taking in the fact that they won. Bitter sweet.

Theres a few other cuts i would make like some dialogue and jokes. Or the terrible rip off of End Game “I am all of the Sith” “And I, am all of the Jedi”. That just hasssss to go. Such a rip off of Tony saying “And I, am Iron Man.”

All and all though, despite some of the flaws that can be cut, the Trilogy wasn’t too bad. I look forward to cutting it down a little and making it more dark like the Prequels ending. Albeit with the victory of defeating the Sith and the Empire. Almost a Pyrrhic Victory.

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EyeShotFirst said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Peter Pan said:

Looking at how Rose character was handled in TROS to please those people that hated on her, including these that sent Kelly Marie Tran death threats I was thinking about offending those f*ckers a stitch more:
Why not cut the Fin Rose romance from 8 and retcon Paige from being Rose sister to being her wife and turn their amulet into some sort of wedding ring.

jaw drops Why make Rose lesbian?

I’m of the Taika Waititi camp, that if it doesn’t serve the story, a scene hinting at sexual orientation is just useless. If we’re trying to normalize things, we should treat those characters as people. I never had to see who Luke wanted to sleep with, to follow his story.

I just don’t know how you could pull that off, without a lot of work.

Fair enough, it wouldn’t serve the story in any way, but nonetheless I would like to see a LGBTQ character in SW especially after they promoted TROS for doing it.
In terms of editing I would simply cut every moment Rose mentions her sister or try to replace sister with something like ?wife?, ?spouse? or ?partner?.(I am no native speaker, I don’t know exactly which one is appropriate, could somebody please help me out?
And then I would cut the kiss and the “not fighting what…” line.

It’s a bit of an uphill battle, just to offend some people who probably wouldn’t see the cut anyway. I would love to see a gay Star Wars character…but I want there to be more substance to that character, besides their orientation. The Mandalorian would still be a good show, if the protagonist ended up gay, because there’s more to them than that. It’s just a problem I see with Disney at times, where the political statement is more important than the story.

I agree that building a character around queerness is stereotypical and that it isn’t worth it, if my single goal was to offend these people, but because Rose has seemingly died in-between 8&9, I think this is a golden opportunity. During the holidays I will toy around with the ideas, if it works out well, perfect, if it doesn’t, who cares?

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If it doesn’t have to impact the story at all, I guess you could replace the trooper’s comment about the Knights of Ren with something like, “I’m gay.”

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Hal 9000 said:

If it doesn’t have to impact the story at all, I guess you could replace the trooper’s comment about the Knights of Ren with something like, “I’m gay.”

With the difference that this is on the same plain as two women kissing each other in the background for 1 bloody second, a bit weak in my opinion and truly useless.
With Paige and Rose it is different, in the beginning Paige is in the main focus of the movie and her relationship with Rose is shown through the amulet, which Rose has to “sacrifice” to save the rebellion against their oppressors. And even better DJ returns it to her.

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Yeah, that makes sense. I was just making a dumb joke.

I heard the female kiss was done that way potentially to be able to be easily edited out for certain markets. I wonder if it really was. I don’t suppose anyone here saw it in China?

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As someone who avoided all spoilers after the teaser trailer (meaning all I knew was that Palpatine was somehow returning), I was shocked how the Palpatine reveal was so abruptly dumped into the title crawl. It felt like the trailers were being treated as part of the actual story to save time. But if you watch just the movies, it comes out of nowhere!

I love DominicCobb’s alternate title crawl. It saves the reveal for the actual film, when Kylo-Ren finds him.

Another option, as many have said, is to plant the seed at the end of TLJ. One thought I had is that so much is made of the Resistance sending out a signal for help, and no one answering. It’s reinforced again in TROS. What if they did get an answer, from Palpatine? The radio crackles, and maybe we just hear his iconic laugh. Just a tease at the end to build up anticipation for TROS.

I’m not sure how you’d do it visually. There are a few shots on Crait of the radio and Leia looking disheartened. There’s the shot just before the door is blasted where Leia is looking around the base and the radio is saying “the cannon is warming up now”. The look on her face would also work for the shock of a surprise transmission from Palpatine. You’d have to move the shot to after the climax, though, as you can’t interrupt TLJ story with Palpatine. I don’t know how well that would cut together.

Kylo-Ren is also in the radio room later where he finds the dice. Maybe that’s the time to do it. You hear some crackling and cut to closeup of the radio, where Palpatine’s laugh starts coming through. Then we cut to a closeup of Kylo-Ren with either a look of surprise, confusion, or a simple head turn, reinforced with Palpatine score. This would actually match up well with DominicCobb’s new title crawl, as it provides motivation for Kylo-Ren to search “for the source of his former master’s dark power”.

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The Staff of Ra had to be placed in a specific peghole to show the location. The dagger outline is rather more silly as Rey just happens to be standing on the exact random spot where it lines up!(at least some sort of plinth on the cliff top for the dagger to slot into…)

In truth it probably would have been better if the dagger had been the key to open Palpatine’s vault.

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As someone who avoided all spoilers after the teaser trailer (meaning all I knew was that Palpatine was somehow returning), I was shocked how the Palpatine reveal was so abruptly dumped into the title crawl. It felt like the trailers were being treated as part of the actual story to save time. But if you watch just the movies, it comes out of nowhere!

I love DominicCobb’s alternate title crawl. It saves the reveal for the actual film, when Kylo-Ren finds him.

Another option, as many have said, is to plant the seed at the end of TLJ. One thought I had is that so much is made of the Resistance sending out a signal for help, and no one answering. It’s reinforced again in TROS. What if they did get an answer, from Palpatine? The radio crackles, and maybe we just hear his iconic laugh. Just a tease at the end to build up anticipation for TROS.

I’m not sure how you’d do it visually. There are a few shots on Crait of the radio and Leia looking disheartened. There’s the shot just before the door is blasted where Leia is looking around the base and the radio is saying “the cannon is warming up now”. The look on her face would also work for the shock of a surprise transmission from Palpatine. You’d have to move the shot to after the climax, though, as you can’t interrupt TLJ story with Palpatine. I don’t know how well that would cut together.

Kylo-Ren is also in the radio room later where he finds the dice. Maybe that’s the time to do it. You hear some crackling and cut to closeup of the radio, where Palpatine’s laugh starts coming through. Then we cut to a closeup of Kylo-Ren with either a look of surprise, confusion, or a simple head turn, reinforced with Palpatine score. This would actually match up well with DominicCobb’s new title crawl, as it provides motivation for Kylo-Ren to search “for the source of his former master’s dark power”.

I have an even better idea: replace the rest of the end credits music with Darth Sidious’ speech from Fortnite, and before we fade into the Lucasfilm logo, we’d hear his laughter from the teaser for The Rise of Skywalker.

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This Fortnite tie-in is nuts. I wonder if we’ll be able to get a clean recording. Would be nice to have options for how to use it.

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poppasketti said:

This Fortnite tie-in is nuts. I wonder if we’ll be able to get a clean recording. Would be nice to have options for how to use it.

The idea of having Palpatine on the radio in the battle of Crait is a great idea…I just wonder if we could expand the idea of using the Palpatine transmission audio from Fortnite instead of just the laugh.

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Why did Palpatine send out a transmission to the galaxy?

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But there does seem to be a connection to the death of Luke and Palpatine’s reemergence. I guess after Luke died he felt there was nothing standing in his way.

Maybe a hypothetical crawl could mention how Luke’s sacrifice has ignited a spark of hope throughout the galaxy, but his death has encouraged an old enemy to finally reveal himself. Snoke was obsessed with finding Luke, so maybe Palpatine has really feared Luke finding him, so much so that he had used a puppet to do his bidding rather than himself.

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Yeah I think that makes sense. Luke’s gone, Kylo-Ren is in charge of the First Order, the Resistance nearly crushed, and he figures everyone else will fall in line. His big comeback also attract Rey, who will either replace him or restore his power (when he drains her and Ren).

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One of the biggest disappointments of this trilogy for me is that not only does it end with the galaxy in pretty much the same situation it was in after ROTJ, but it punted Luke’s role of rebuilding the Jedi to Rey’s generation – and EVEN THEN, did nothing with it. No fanedit can fully correct that, but I do have an idea for possibly mitigating it somewhat: transform the final scene into a gathering of Rey’s first class of Jedi students:

  • Film new footage of a handful of people igniting lightsabers in the desert (matching & integrating it with the Rey footage would be challenging, but it’s conceivable).

  • Add spirits of more Jedi Masters either beside Luke & Leia or behind Rey, to suggest that she’ll be aided & guided by a “Force Jedi Council” of her own (even with a time skip, Daisy Ridley is pretty obviously too young to start teaching on her own, & it would be nice to keep Luke involved in the New Jedi Order).

  • Cut the “Rey Skywalker” exchange (which I’m personally fine with, but it simply wouldn’t fit with this version).

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I don’t like that Luke literally had no surviving followers left. Kylo Ren seemed too inept to have wiped them out. Maybe if we’d have seen some of his final followers being murdered, or perhaps destroyed by Starkiller base. Something to indicate that Kylo wasn’t all that was left. Or perhaps the place with all the sith could’ve been filled with former followers turned evil. It just seemed like such an empty universe, and that’s always been my problem with the main saga.

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Anything that can extend scene transitions or buffer shots by a second here or half-second there might be helpful. This movie just rushes through.

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poppasketti said:

Yeah I think that makes sense. Luke’s gone, Kylo-Ren is in charge of the First Order, the Resistance nearly crushed, and he figures everyone else will fall in line. His big comeback also attract Rey, who will either replace him or restore his power (when he drains her and Ren).

Execute Order…Final Order…shit, cut! Can we go again?

OK, so an idea if you decide to do a TLJ V3 edit. After Luke dies on Achto and Kylo is holding the fake dice the transmission from Palpatine is heard in the background on the radio. Palpatine has sensed Luke has died and is ready to come out of hiding. If there are any other clues through out the movie that Snoke is a puppet of Palps such as his essence leaving his body when he is cut in half etc.

By having Palps transmission in TLJ do we still need to have Kylo finding Palps at the end of the movie as the movie now ends with knowing Palp’s will be in the Episode 9? If he does, then I was thinking the beginning scene of Kylo finding the Sith Wayfarer could be a flashback in Episode9.

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RogueLeader said:

Why did Palpatine send out a transmission to the galaxy?

He was probably just looking for sponsors to fund his conquest of the galaxy.

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C3P0 translates the writing on the dagger which tells them the location of the wayfinder and that it’s in the Emperor’s vault. It seems obvious that the Emperor’s throne room would be the first place they’d check.

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Here’s some initial ideas from me for an edit:

Opening crawl to remove Leia recon mission and direct mentions of Palpatine. Rather, Kylo Ren is tracking the source of Snoke’s power or something. We still find Palpatine right away, but in the body of the movie rather than in the crawl.

Space out the triple-voice line to sound more like the trailer for dramatic effect.

If deleted scene is available and suitable, add evil Palpatine broadcast as he lifts the fleet. Hopefully it makes it clear that it’s a broadcast, so later scenes still feel right as they allude to characters already having some idea of what’s up.

Add a Wilhelm somewhere I guess.

I’d like to remove the 16 hour time clock, but it offers some explanation for why everyone is in such a hurry.

Maybe remove light speed skipping by ending as they jump the first time, removing TIEs jumping. Or let them jump and we just cut to the next scene. If the former, remove reference to light speed skipping later. However, this would cause a problem as Finn only has one other thing he notices Poe do before referencing all the “shady stuff” he does.

When Kylo and then Rey get flashes of scenes from TFA when they touch the Vader mask, add some stuff from TLJ and color correct Ach-To. Kylo should get flashes of Luke from Crait.

Remove line about how R2 backs up 3PO’s memory.

I don’t like “whoever this Chewie person is, this is madness.”

Possibly remove the destruction of the planet.

Seems dumb that once he turns to the Light Side, Kylo doesn’t take advantage of his role as supreme leader. Research of mine indicates that the emperor sensed this and put General Pryde in charge at that point. If a deleted scene is presented to this effect it would be welcome.

Remove the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we might.

It’d be very nice to somehow link the massive fleet arriving to support the Resistance with the legend of Luke Skywalker, but I’m not sure how. Adding it to the crawl wouldn’t compliment the film up until the end seeming like the Resistance was still pretty much alone.

I think one could successfully remove ‘Rey Palpatine,’ but it would be unusual for me to deviate from the lore to that degree. I don’t like it, but I think I’d be better off accepting it and maybe tweaking TFA and TLJ to fit in better.

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