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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 30

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Yeah. I think we’ve gotta go Palpatine = Clone, Rey = Nobody. It’s the cleanest of our options.

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As long as Rey Nobody is possible, I have hope that I’ll be able to enjoy a cut of this movie

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Palpatine’s son is a clone of Palpatine now? He doesn’t look like him.

Unless someone wants to do a little deepfake project.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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snooker said:

As long as Rey Nobody is possible, I have hope that I’ll be able to enjoy a cut of this movie

It is possible and that’s what I’ll be doing in the cut TROS: Resurgence.

Dom is doing something similar in his cut as well. His proposed changes look interesting.

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

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So Rey is the daughter of Palpatine’s clone, making her more akin to his daughter rather than his granddaughter?

I’m assuming this novelization is just a desperate attempt to make sense of the movie rather than the movie being a watered-down version of the book, yes?

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pleasehello said:

So Rey is the daughter of Palpatine’s clone, making her more akin to his daughter rather than his granddaughter?

I’m assuming this novelization is just a desperate attempt to make sense of the movie rather than the movie being a watered-down version of the book, yes?

Palpatine should just go screw himself. And thanks to cloning technology he can.

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krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

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RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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it was better characterization for the themes of the last two movies. Reys parents SHOULD NOT matter

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pleasehello said:

So Rey is the daughter of Palpatine’s clone, making her more akin to his daughter rather than his granddaughter?

I’m assuming this novelization is just a desperate attempt to make sense of the movie rather than the movie being a watered-down version of the book, yes?

Probably a little of both, and it’s hard to say what’s what.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

As I’ve said before, from a purely logistical stance it’s laughable that in a twenty mile radius of Jakku desert we have the Millennium Falcon, the map to Luke, and the granddaughter of Palpatine/powerful Force sensitive whose parents were personally killed by Kylo Ren, with all of these things finding their way to the planet entirely coincidentally.

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NeverarGreat said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

As I’ve said before, from a purely logistical stance it’s laughable that in a twenty mile radius of Jakku desert we have the Millennium Falcon, the map to Luke, and the granddaughter of Palpatine/powerful Force sensitive whose parents were personally killed by Kylo Ren, with all of these things finding their way to the planet entirely coincidentally.

Agreed. The Force Awakens does not have a sense of scale.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

NeverarGreat said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

As I’ve said before, from a purely logistical stance it’s laughable that in a twenty mile radius of Jakku desert we have the Millennium Falcon, the map to Luke, and the granddaughter of Palpatine/powerful Force sensitive whose parents were personally killed by Kylo Ren, with all of these things finding their way to the planet entirely coincidentally.

Agreed. The Force Awakens does not have a sense of scale.

While TFA had the map to Luke/Millennium Falcon coincidence, Nobody Rey wasn’t a coincidence until she became Important Rey in TROS/DOTF. That’s what really makes it laughable to me.

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“If I tell Rey how I brutally murdered her parents and ruined her entire life, she’ll definitely want to join me then!”

I just don’t know if repeating the same story beat but being like, “actually, I lied. THIS is the real truth!” is the right direction.

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RogueLeader said:

“If I tell Rey how I brutally murdered her parents and ruined her entire life, she’ll definitely want to join me then!”

In the end Rey blames Palpatine for infecting and manipulating Kylo. Also the dark part of her hates her parents for abandoning her. Also she stabs Kylo— there’s always that.

But if you have your heart set on Rey’s dad being Palpy’s kid then my edit may not be your cup of tea.

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RogueLeader said:

I just don’t know if repeating the same story beat but being like, “actually, I lied. THIS is the real truth!” is the right direction.

The wrong direction was this: your parents sold you to protect you.

I feel having Kylo involved in the death of Rey’s parents is a natural progression into his dark character arc.

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I find that taking out Rey palpatine leaves little to no personal stakes/conflict between the main protagonist and main antagonist since there is no personal connection.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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idir_hh said:

I find that taking out Rey palpatine leaves little to no personal stakes/conflict between the main protagonist and main antagonist since there is no personal connection.

But does there need to be a personal connection in order to have stakes and conflict? Palpatine wants to destroy the entire galaxy. That should be enough of a reason for Rey wanting to confront Palpatine, instead of a shameless ripoff of Empire’s plot twist.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Having Qui-Gon go against the Jedi Code, be gay, and have an affair with Darth Maul is all certainly possible, but somehow it just feels like several bridges too far for me.

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idir_hh said:

I find that taking out Rey palpatine leaves little to no personal stakes/conflict between the main protagonist and main antagonist since there is no personal connection.

The personal connection is Palapatine had her parents killed. She wants him dead.

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StarkillerAG said:

idir_hh said:

I find that taking out Rey palpatine leaves little to no personal stakes/conflict between the main protagonist and main antagonist since there is no personal connection.

But does there need to be a personal connection in order to have stakes and conflict? Palpatine wants to destroy the entire galaxy. That should be enough of a reason for Rey wanting to confront Palpatine, instead of a shameless ripoff of Empire’s plot twist.

Sure the Emperors ambitions of galactic domination are sufficient for an overarching conflict, on a character level though it leaves much to be desired. By all means I despise Rey palpatine as much as the next but taking it out of the movie without a substitute for personal conflict would make the film quite bland…me thinks.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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NeverarGreat said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

RogueLeader said:

krausfadr said:

If I’m able to seamlessly add some Kylo dialogue then I would like to also have Kylo admit he’s the one who killed Rey’s parents.

I’m surprised you want to make this change. I felt it was one of the worst plot points from Colin’s draft.

C’mon, you just want to keep the idea of Rey’s parents selling her for the sole purpose of getting drinking money!

As I’ve said before, from a purely logistical stance it’s laughable that in a twenty mile radius of Jakku desert we have the Millennium Falcon, the map to Luke, and the granddaughter of Palpatine/powerful Force sensitive whose parents were personally killed by Kylo Ren, with all of these things finding their way to the planet entirely coincidentally.

Not to mention it’s the site of the final battle of the Galactic Civil War.

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Let’s play mad libs:

“You don’t just have power, Rey. You have his [funny noun]. You’re a [funnier noun].

power / Palpatine

Ewoks / Mary Sue

Clone DNA / bad experiment

stunning brown eyes / midichlorian

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Don’t get me wrong krausfadr, if I had to pick between “Rey Palpatine” and “I killed your parents”, I would still vote for your idea!

Every alternative to Rey Palpatine is going to have issues, and I think it is worth pointing out what the issues might have to be addressed to get it to possibly work. Like, if Kylo is going to admit he killed her parents, you have to decide why he decides to tell her the truth now, how does her knowing the truth benefit him and his goals. Does Kylo admit it with regret? Does he confess once he realizes Palpatine has been manipulating him all along?

I was originally thinking that a vision of the future could be what drives Rey to want to personally kill Palpatine. Maybe Rey and Kylo both have visions that Rey, and the Resistance, are going to fail. She could have a vision that the Emperor will kill Poe and Finn, her new family. The vision could show flashes of the battle, lightning coming from below. We could use the shot of Snap’s X-Wing crashing to show Poe dying in the vision. Then create a shot of Finn on the Star Destroyer as it explodes in mid-air.

Kylo Ren could tell her, “You will fail, Rey. Your friends will all die. We can only defeat him together. Join me.”

This vision would be what makes Rey want to personally kill Palpatine.

EDIT: I know it’s a joke but mad libs is an accurate description of what we’ll be basically doing to Kylo’s dialogue for this movie. 😂

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The main issue with have Kylo be the killer of her parents doesn’t really help with anything in my mind personally.

His goal is to have Rey on his side. Would using the direction of “Oh yeah, I killed Han Solo, my father who you liked. Also, I tried to kill Luke Skywalker … but too bad he was a Force Hologram. Oh yeah, I killed your parents too. Wanna join me and make out?”

I just … don’t see how that helps with anything with whatever motivation the route a person wants to go.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”