Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 187

Here is my attempt at a coloring of a darth jar Jar fan art to look as if its in bacta. Possibly to replace Snoke in the Snoke tanks.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKJ71SyiHoFVEVkuPhpFx4c8bJnixRCo/view?usp=sharing

I have watched this and it is an astonishing improvement on the Disney Trilogy. It was actually an entertaining watch. Though there’s only so much you can do with such poor storytelling to begin with, it’s made the DT palatable

I’ve been lurking around Jar Jar Bricks’ edit of the TROS novel, & I like their notion of adding Anakin in more as a means to make the ST feel more connected to the idea of I-VI being about The Tragedy of Darth Vader. While they said it can only be done with the novelization, I think there are ways of accomplishing this in the movie

-When Kylo arrives on Exegol, instead of Palpatine, he encounters a Vision of Vader, using the Fan Film Force of Darkness as a basis. However, you redub over Vader, making him sound more like either Hayden Christensen or Matt Lanter, & recolor his lightsaber from red to blue. It gives agency to Anakin, it makes an intriguing image to see Vader with blue lightsaber & therefore allows a glimpse into Kylo’s psyche at the time.

-When Kylo places his hand on mask, trying to speak to Vader, he’ll get visions of Anakin from the PT trying & failing to be a good person, suffering, until we see child Anakin walking away with Qui-Gon, only recut/recolored so that Anakin is looking disapprovingly at Kylo. You can also recolor shots of Kylo on Crait to better sell the idea that Kylo and Anakin are looking at each other.

-Lastly, after Han’s memory convinces Kylo to turn back to the light, as Kylo throws his lightsaber away, we cut back to Han who is slowly morphin into Anakin’s Force Ghost. This is Anakin giving Kylo the last push he needs to go help Rey. Even if Kylo doesn’t know why he saw his father, it’s effective.

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I don’t know about Han turning into Anakin but blue lightsaber Vader actually sounds pretty cool, I would love to see that edited in somehow.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I like the idea of Kylo speaking to child Anakin.

It’s not so much Kylo speaking to child Anakin as much as it is Kylo trying to find anything to justify his view of Darth Vader, only to get every evidence of the contrary, signified by child Anakin shooting a scowl at him.

That being said, I also like the idea of keeping bits of the theatrical vision has when Kylo touches Vader’s mask, but overlaid with Anakin lines. For example, turn Anakin’s line from RotS “You turned her against me” into “[You] turned her against you” & overlay it with Rey shutting the door on Kylo from TLJ.

Looks like we probably won’t be getting new voice lines from the official actors in the new Lego game like we did for TFA. I think the only returning actor is Anthony Daniels.

• Daniel Logan as Boba Fett (presumably the young version)

Surprisingly he is also voicing adult Boba too. TT games posted a short clip of adult Boba on twitter and he was indeed voiced by Daniel Logan.

NeverarGreat said:

I was just thinking about this movie again for some reason and had some ideas.

One of the biggest issues with the structure of the film IMO is that Rey goes to Palpatine after getting a pep-talk with Luke. Before this meeting, Rey feels like she’s on a dark path, but after this there’s no chance that she will take Palpatine up on any offer. Now, I’d already considered just deleting the Luke ghost meeting since it’s so worthless and actively deflates the stakes, but that would have resulted in too many continuity problems. So what if instead of Rey going to meet Luke, it is Kylo?

Imagine: After Kylo has his talk with Han and throws away his lightsaber, he takes an advanced TIE Interceptor from the Death Star wreckage to Luke’s island, where he intends to stay and atone for his sins in isolation. He burns his ship and stands there before it. Just use Rey standing in front of the burning ship and replace it with an image of Kylo from behind. Then we can have Luke’s voice appear to him, saying ‘Ben.’ Then Ben can say ‘She’s gone.’

Cut to Poe beside Leia’s bed wondering how she was able to win, and Lando telling him that they had each other.

The music of that scene segues into a scene in Luke’s hut, where Ben pulls the rock out of the wall and reveals Leia’s saber. Luke tells him about his mother and how she believed that someone would complete her journey. Ben, off screen, says how he’s not worthy to wield it, and that he doesn’t have what it takes. Luke replies that he has everything he needs.

We next combine the scenes of D-O and of R2 getting a strange message from an old X-wing. Finn and Poe assume that this is Rey leading them to Exegol, but in fact it’s Ben in the X-wing.

Cut any shot of Rey in the X-wing, replacing them with shots of Kylo’s TIE fighter from the first scenes of the film when necessary. Rey arrives believing herself unworthy of the mission, ready only to take her revenge on Palpatine.

Palpatine says that Rey wants to kill him, and asks her ‘As a Jedi?’ She says yes, and he says 'No…your hatred…your anger…you want to kill me." And then in his mind, he continues “…That is what I want.” This unspoken thought echoes in Ben’s head as he races into the temple. Palpatine says to Rey “Kill me…” Then to Ben: “…and my spirit will pass into her. As all the Sith live in me…” then to Rey: “You will be Empress…” and then Ben hears in his head “…we will be one.”

Then later, to Rey, he says: “She will strike me down…” Then to Ben “…and pledge herself as a Sith.”

Palpatine is doing this gloating as a way of telling Ben that he has won, thinking that there is nothing Ben can do to stop him. But he doesn’t reckon with Ben and Rey’s connection in the Force.

In the scene where Ben fights the Knights of Ren, we see in one shot that he has Leia’s lightsaber on his belt but he doesn’t use it. He refuses to use Leia’s weapon, still believing that he is unworthy of it. Then he connects with Rey and together they agree to swap sabers. Rey drops Luke’s saber behind her back and Ben pulls it across space like in the film, then we see Leia’s saber already in Rey’s hand as she fights off the guards.

Then when Rey leaves Exegol at the end of the film, she’s in Luke’s X-wing for the first time.

Anyway, that’s quite a bit of work, but considering what we’re able to accomplish these days with editing, I don’t think it’s an impossible task by any means.

Is it possible?

In the original film I’d agree with you that there’s no chance she’d take up Palpatine’s offer because Luke brings prophecy into the whole thing. He spoils everything about the ending in the original dialogue by saying Ben would die and that Rey is destined to finish Leia’s Jedi path.

Ascendant’s new Luke dialogue doesn’t guarantee any of that. Sure, it’s a massive boost of reassurance, but it doesn’t directly dispute her vision of herself on the throne of the Sith. So Palpatine’s scheming doesn’t hit as hard as it could, sure, but at least it’s hitting to a certain degree, now. But I do agree that Luke and Ben needed a scene or two together in this film. The easiest place to do that is the one I’ve already gone over in my thread with dialogue taken from the DOTF script. It replaces a useless exchange between him and Palps telling him to kill Rey for the third time. The only other place to insert a Luke line to him would be when he appears to hear somebody nearby (he looks up suddenly and searches with his eyes) on Exegol when holding a dead Rey.

Darth Raditz said:

I’ve been lurking around Jar Jar Bricks’ edit of the TROS novel, & I like their notion of adding Anakin in more as a means to make the ST feel more connected to the idea of I-VI being about The Tragedy of Darth Vader. While they said it can only be done with the novelization, I think there are ways of accomplishing this in the movie

-When Kylo arrives on Exegol, instead of Palpatine, he encounters a Vision of Vader, using the Fan Film Force of Darkness as a basis. However, you redub over Vader, making him sound more like either Hayden Christensen or Matt Lanter, & recolor his lightsaber from red to blue. It gives agency to Anakin, it makes an intriguing image to see Vader with blue lightsaber & therefore allows a glimpse into Kylo’s psyche at the time.

-When Kylo places his hand on mask, trying to speak to Vader, he’ll get visions of Anakin from the PT trying & failing to be a good person, suffering, until we see child Anakin walking away with Qui-Gon, only recut/recolored so that Anakin is looking disapprovingly at Kylo. You can also recolor shots of Kylo on Crait to better sell the idea that Kylo and Anakin are looking at each other.

-Lastly, after Han’s memory convinces Kylo to turn back to the light, as Kylo throws his lightsaber away, we cut back to Han who is slowly morphin into Anakin’s Force Ghost. This is Anakin giving Kylo the last push he needs to go help Rey. Even if Kylo doesn’t know why he saw his father, it’s effective.

I love this idea! The combining of two of the four main male figures in Kylo/Ben’s life in this way is brilliant. And I love how this essentially shows him that it was Anakin he should have emulated, not Vader.

And then, yes, yes, yes!! The Han becoming Anakin’s force ghost is brilliant for two reasons. Firstly, it explains how Han, a non-Jedi was there, and secondly, it shows that Anakin, his grandfather, understands Ben truly and what he needed truly to see the light.

NeverarGreat said:

I was just thinking about this movie again for some reason and had some ideas.

One of the biggest issues with the structure of the film IMO is that Rey goes to Palpatine after getting a pep-talk with Luke. Before this meeting, Rey feels like she’s on a dark path, but after this there’s no chance that she will take Palpatine up on any offer. Now, I’d already considered just deleting the Luke ghost meeting since it’s so worthless and actively deflates the stakes, but that would have resulted in too many continuity problems. So what if instead of Rey going to meet Luke, it is Kylo?

Imagine: After Kylo has his talk with Han and throws away his lightsaber, he takes an advanced TIE Interceptor from the Death Star wreckage to Luke’s island, where he intends to stay and atone for his sins in isolation. He burns his ship and stands there before it. Just use Rey standing in front of the burning ship and replace it with an image of Kylo from behind. Then we can have Luke’s voice appear to him, saying ‘Ben.’ Then Ben can say ‘She’s gone.’

Cut to Poe beside Leia’s bed wondering how she was able to win, and Lando telling him that they had each other.

The music of that scene segues into a scene in Luke’s hut, where Ben pulls the rock out of the wall and reveals Leia’s saber. Luke tells him about his mother and how she believed that someone would complete her journey. Ben, off screen, says how he’s not worthy to wield it, and that he doesn’t have what it takes. Luke replies that he has everything he needs.

We next combine the scenes of D-O and of R2 getting a strange message from an old X-wing. Finn and Poe assume that this is Rey leading them to Exegol, but in fact it’s Ben in the X-wing.

Cut any shot of Rey in the X-wing, replacing them with shots of Kylo’s TIE fighter from the first scenes of the film when necessary. Rey arrives believing herself unworthy of the mission, ready only to take her revenge on Palpatine.

Palpatine says that Rey wants to kill him, and asks her ‘As a Jedi?’ She says yes, and he says 'No…your hatred…your anger…you want to kill me." And then in his mind, he continues “…That is what I want.” This unspoken thought echoes in Ben’s head as he races into the temple. Palpatine says to Rey “Kill me…” Then to Ben: “…and my spirit will pass into her. As all the Sith live in me…” then to Rey: “You will be Empress…” and then Ben hears in his head “…we will be one.”

Then later, to Rey, he says: “She will strike me down…” Then to Ben “…and pledge herself as a Sith.”

Palpatine is doing this gloating as a way of telling Ben that he has won, thinking that there is nothing Ben can do to stop him. But he doesn’t reckon with Ben and Rey’s connection in the Force.

In the scene where Ben fights the Knights of Ren, we see in one shot that he has Leia’s lightsaber on his belt but he doesn’t use it. He refuses to use Leia’s weapon, still believing that he is unworthy of it. Then he connects with Rey and together they agree to swap sabers. Rey drops Luke’s saber behind her back and Ben pulls it across space like in the film, then we see Leia’s saber already in Rey’s hand as she fights off the guards.

Then when Rey leaves Exegol at the end of the film, she’s in Luke’s X-wing for the first time.

Anyway, that’s quite a bit of work, but considering what we’re able to accomplish these days with editing, I don’t think it’s an impossible task by any means.

If possible, this is a fantastic idea. Just fantastic.