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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 169

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After reading the comic, I don’t think it confirms Snoke is a canon version of Luuke.
It certainly implies something will be made with that hand later on, but whether that’s Snoke or something else is unclear.

The comic takes place shortly after ESB, so those fully grown Snoke-like creatures (strandcasts?) being already so big and conscious after, like, a week (?) seems a bit far-fetched. Palpatine was probably already at it before he got the hand, then took it for other purposes.

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David__B said:

After reading the comic, I don’t think it confirms Snoke is a canon version of Luuke.
It certainly implies something will be made with that hand later on, but whether that’s Snoke or something else is unclear.

The comic takes place shortly after ESB, so those fully grown Snoke-like creatures (strandcasts?) being already so big and conscious after, like, a week (?) seems a bit far-fetched. Palpatine was probably already at it before he got the hand, then took it for other purposes.

I suspect, regardless of the comic, Mandolorian will eventually just explain Snoke as a genetic failsafe experiment from Palpatine’s will. Some Empire admiral will be enacting it as part of his “If I die” orders.

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joshuabri said:

I’ll second that. I followed the old EU for a while, but after so many planet/Star destroying superweapons and Force users becoming so overpowered that you think, man if Obi-Wan or Vader had half this much power in the OT, they would have been completely different movies, I had to give up the nonsense of it all. Not that there weren’t some excellent stories, just so many ridiculous ones too.

The EU was 50% well intentioned writers who just didn’t get Star Wars, 40% malicious writers who wanted to change what Star Wars was, and 10% great additions.

I personally liked all of the absolute insane nonsense (Luke falling in literal romantic love with a giant spaceship, for example), but I also liked the good bits (eg the Falcon’s triple computer brain that always argues with itself) which they cherry picked for the new stuff.

It was the EU’s time to go, and I don’t miss it. It’s still around as Legends, and it’ll always be a particularly eclectic and surreal part of Star Wars history.

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But isn’t it more or less the same with the NuEU?

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Hal 9000 said:

But isn’t it more or less the same with the NuEU?

The way things are done right now is quite good, the writers all respect what star wars is and was and from there they are trying to build upon it. The High republic is a good example for that, all the writers work together as a collective, & its the best star wars eu content ever in my opinion.

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The newer EU stuff can feel kind of unremarkable at times, but it’s a lot less batshit insane than the old stuff for certain. Kind of the same difference between old and new Sonic comics, or the extended Dragon Ball universe versus Toriyama’s canon. Sure, you don’t get the long wiki articles about Goku’s shift as a time cop or the history of Echidna demigod Enerjak, but what remains is a lot more consistent to the series’ respective tone and style.

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I feel like what has happened with the NuEU is analogous to the Special Editions replacing the Original films. Sure, the new versions of the films may play nicer with the prequels occasionally, but it feels like replacing a part of history.

Gone are the multitude of perspectives on the nature of the Clone Wars and the Old Republic, the nature of the Jedi of old, the nature of the Force and the surreal explorations of long-lost technology. In its place is an anodyne catholic dogma written by writers often too shackled to the multitudinous rules of the established canon to really imagine or create. There are still good stories in the NuEU such as Leia: Princess of Alderaan, but I fear more stories like Queen’s Shadow or Queen’s Peril, meandering travelogues constrained to the point of irrelevance. Perhaps the High Republic Era will bear fruit, but even so the Wild West of Star Wars is gone.

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The majority of the NuEU is good (especially the comics), but there’s the odd bad novel here and there. I agree it’s a lot more regulated than the old EU, though, and in some ways that’s good and in other ways it’s bad. Eventually I hope it’ll be the NuEU’s time to go as well, and we’ll get something new and different again. As a Kamen Rider fan, I’m used to continuity resetting once a year.

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Hal 9000 said:

But isn’t it more or less the same with the NuEU?

If the Old EU is 50% well intentioned writers who just don’t get it, 40% malicious writers, and 10% great writers, the New EU is the same but with the malicious writers removed, at least IMO. Quick math says that’s 83% well intentioned writers and 16% good additions.

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SparkySywer said:

Hal 9000 said:

But isn’t it more or less the same with the NuEU?

If the Old EU is 50% well intentioned writers who just don’t get it, 40% malicious writers, and 10% great writers, the New EU is the same but with the malicious writers removed, at least IMO. Quick math says that’s 83% well intentioned writers and 16% good additions.

I’d agree with this, except maybe 5% of the writers are vaguely malicious. Whoever wrote that Han Solo novel probably shouldn’t have.

Me trying to do the numbers in my head, though:

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Legends still exists, though. Even in the Disney era, the comics have been republished in large collections and the more famous novels are getting new editions with new covers and all. The old cartoons are being put up on Disney+. It’s all more accessible than ever. The only change is that there’s no new stories in the old continuity, but even that isn’t necessarily a permanent thing. Honestly, I prefer the route of explicitly time-capsuling it and starting afresh compared to what Lucas tended to do with TCW and similar, where it just overrode the existing material and left it up to people like Pablo Hidalgo, Leland Chee, various authors etc. to try to reconcile things. Which is exactly what Lucas’ sequels would’ve done, had they ever actually come to pass, of course - and the Internet would no doubt have been very unhappy about it…

I certainly wouldn’t mind if there was some more room for experimentation in the new canon, however. Some kind of ‘Infinities’ brand or similar for stories which don’t have to adhere to the tone and continuity of the rest of things. There’s a bit of that sort of a thing with the ‘myths’-flavour books that have been coming out recently, though, and obviously the High Republic is offering authors a lot more freedom compared to trying to ram books into the gaps in the main saga. Oddly, the LEGO side material of all things does get to exist in an only-vaguely-canon realm.

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sade1212 said:

Legends still exists, though. Even in the Disney era, the comics have been republished in large collections and the more famous novels are getting new editions with new covers and all. The old cartoons are being put up on Disney+. It’s all more accessible than ever. The only change is that there’s no new stories in the old continuity, but even that isn’t necessarily a permanent thing. Honestly, I prefer the route of explicitly time-capsuling it and starting afresh compared to what Lucas tended to do with TCW and similar, where it just overrode the existing material and left it up to people like Pablo Hidalgo, Leland Chee, various authors etc. to try to reconcile things. Which is exactly what Lucas’ sequels would’ve done, had they ever actually come to pass, of course - and the Internet would no doubt have been very unhappy about it…

I certainly wouldn’t mind if there was some more room for experimentation in the new canon, however. Some kind of ‘Infinities’ brand or similar for stories which don’t have to adhere to the tone and continuity of the rest of things. There’s a bit of that sort of a thing with the ‘myths’-flavour books that have been coming out recently, though, and obviously the High Republic is offering authors a lot more freedom compared to trying to ram books into the gaps in the main saga. Oddly, the LEGO side material of all things does get to exist in an only-vaguely-canon realm.

I completely agree with all of this. If I could have any Star Wars themed wish come true, it would be a TCW/Rebels style “canonisation” of The Freemaker Adventures.

Edit: I don’t mean remake the whole thing in a way that would destroy the whole point of why I like it to begin with, I mean, like, a one hour special with a new adventure in that animation style. (I know they put Roger in one of the droid books, making the whole show implied deutero-canon, but it’s not the same thing.)

Wow, this thread has really gotten off topic, hasn’t it.

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So Star Wars Biomes came out on Disney+ today and has a nice landscape shot of Mustafar. Any chance something like that could be used for an establishing shot to help slow down the beginning of the movie a little?

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So, I have… ahem… ACQUIRED the 1080p and 4K HDR versions of both the Vehicle Flythroughs and the Biomes special. I went ahead and put it on my GoogleDrive.

If anyone wants them, hit me up.

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Random question: does anyone know exactly why Pryde doesn’t become Supreme Leader at the end of the story? Because Palpy clearly knows that Ben has returned. Just seems kinda strange to me since he’s the #2 in command.

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Answer: Didn’t really think everything out in this movie … which is clearly seen. Lol.

But jokes aside, is it because Palpy “takes the title” now that he has revealed himself? Kinda like he had Snoke/whatever be it until he takes the spotlight?

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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I suppose. But the First Order and Final Order are separate entities all throughout TROS. They were never truly merged, even at the end.

I dunno, the only reason I asked was because I’m making him the Supreme Leader at the end of my novelization. IMO, that would make him second only to the Emperor, which makes sense.

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Thinking about it, there really isn’t anyone in charge of the galaxy at all in the Sequel trilogy, or at least nobody we know about from the films. The Senate is destroyed halfway through the first one without ever learning who led that body, and Snoke is killed a day or two later in TLJ without completing his conquest of the galaxy. Kylo is the de-facto leader after that, but he never really appears to lead the galaxy and is apparently looking for the real power behind Snoke this whole time. Then Palpatine emerges and becomes the de-facto leader of the galaxy using the shadow power structure of Pryde et al who really control the First Order. Then Palpatine dies a few hours after that along with Pryde, Kylo, and Leia. With the original leadership of the galaxy dead and the leaders of the Resistance and First/Final Orders dead, I guess the galaxy exists in a state of anarchy until the next warlord comes along with a salvaged planet-killing Star Destroyer.

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NeverarGreat said:

Thinking about it, there really isn’t anyone in charge of the galaxy at all in the Sequel trilogy, or at least nobody we know about from the films. The Senate is destroyed halfway through the first one without ever learning who led that body, and Snoke is killed a day or two later in TLJ without completing his conquest of the galaxy. Kylo is the de-facto leader after that, but he never really appears to lead the galaxy and is apparently looking for the real power behind Snoke this whole time. Then Palpatine emerges and becomes the de-facto leader of the galaxy using the shadow power structure of Pryde et al who really control the First Order. Then Palpatine dies a few hours after that along with Pryde, Kylo, and Leia. With the original leadership of the galaxy dead and the leaders of the Resistance and First/Final Orders dead, I guess the galaxy exists in a state of anarchy until the next warlord comes along with a salvaged planet-killing Star Destroyer.

I laughed thinking about this. The next star was villain is a guy who has a planet destroying blaster! Gotta up the stakes considerably!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

So, I have… ahem… ACQUIRED the 1080p and 4K HDR versions of both the Vehicle Flythroughs and the Biomes special. I went ahead and put it on my GoogleDrive.

If anyone wants them, hit me up.

Heya, I’m interested. shall I PM you? thanks

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NeverarGreat said:

Thinking about it, there really isn’t anyone in charge of the galaxy at all in the Sequel trilogy, or at least nobody we know about from the films. The Senate is destroyed halfway through the first one without ever learning who led that body, and Snoke is killed a day or two later in TLJ without completing his conquest of the galaxy. Kylo is the de-facto leader after that, but he never really appears to lead the galaxy and is apparently looking for the real power behind Snoke this whole time. Then Palpatine emerges and becomes the de-facto leader of the galaxy using the shadow power structure of Pryde et al who really control the First Order. Then Palpatine dies a few hours after that along with Pryde, Kylo, and Leia. With the original leadership of the galaxy dead and the leaders of the Resistance and First/Final Orders dead, I guess the galaxy exists in a state of anarchy until the next warlord comes along with a salvaged planet-killing Star Destroyer.

Another reason why Duel of the Fates, for all its flaws, would have been better. Showing that the First Order has seized control of the Galaxy and occupied Coruscant was such a cool idea, especially with Finn leading the ex-Stormtrooper and civilian rebellion there.