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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 162

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EDIT: Responding in the Ascendant thread.

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RogueLeader said:

I like comedic 3PO too! Maybe another funny line could be played around with? I’m just iffy on this one because it make it seem like 3PO is going back on his decision to make this sacrifice.

For me, C-3PO occupies this great space between courageous and cowardly. He moans and complains and he needs constant cajoling; he suggests surrendering to the Empire when things get tough in ESB before Han switches him off, and constantly berates R2 for any suggestion of taking an active role. But at the same time, he never goes to pieces (other than literally, I suppose), and he actually does what’s needed of him - he walks up to Jabba’s Palace in ROTJ, he gets on the ship in AOTC, he bluffs to an Imperial officer on the Death Star, he walks through a blaze of stormtrooper fire on the Tantive IV.

He’s also quite vain and egotistical, but seems aware that what he’s saying is of limited use to the situations going on around him, which despite his large amount of knowledge, he’s constantly unequipped and unprepared to deal with (“Fine, go that way!”/“A transport! I’m saved!”). He’s basically a droid with anxiety, which is a great comedic device, but also a strangely compelling character concept.

Having his “final” act be a genuinely brave and heroic sacrifice, where he simultaneously starts to suggest some cockamamie plan to avoid it, is so utterly on-brand for him that it pulls my heartstrings in the exact right way.

Wait, is C-3PO actually my favourite character and I never realised it?

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  • Add details to Kijimi to establish that it is revolting.

Digitally insert trash all over the streets, open sewage lines, add insert shots of people pinching their noses when they go outdoors.

Lol, isn’t the English language awful?

Jean-Pierre Jeunet digitally removed trash, graffiti, and grime from Paris for Amélie, just revert his changes back to his original footage and insert those shots. Simple.

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Love it, RogueLeader! Some of my thoughts:

RogueLeader said:

Some thoughts on the Kijimi sequence: Kijimi in Revolt, 3PO’s Irreversible Sacrifice, and Poe’s Past.

  • Add details to Kijimi to establish that it is revolting.

  • While they’re sneaking around, add civilian protest shouts in the distance, maybe something like, “For Skywalker!” Maybe then we could hear blaster shots or an explosion.

That would be awesome, and would tie into the “Luke’s inspirational sacrifice” motif we’re trying to weave into the film.

  • When Zori says, “I’m still digging myself out of the whole you put me in when you left to join the Resistance”, cut “-to join the Resistance”, or “-when you left to join the Resistance”. This gives us more ambiguity so people can interpret the situation in different ways. 1) The canon explanation, where Poe left to join the New Republic, which he was a part of before he joined the Resistance. 2) Maybe Poe only worked as a spice runner undercover as a Republic operative, and messed up their operations during his mission.

I’m in favor of cutting the whole “Spice-Runner” thing, myself. bbghost posted a great mockup a while back. The only other thing would be cutting “Babu only works for the crew. That’s not you anymore.”

  • When Rey whips out her lightsaber, add offscreen dialogue of Zori’s awestruck crew saying, “Jedi!”, or “The Jedi!” Maybe Zori and her crew just thought she was a “scavenger” at first. But when they realize she’s a Jedi, Zori becomes more willing to work with them. It gives more of a reason as to why she thinks Rey is “okay”, and why she goes from pointing a gun at Poe’s head, to helping him, in 30 seconds flat.

Love this!! Again, this really helps tie back into the “Galaxy being inspired again by the legends of the Jedi” thing.

  • Cut 3PO saying, “I just had an idea of something else-“ before Babu turns him off. It kind of takes away a little bit from 3PO making this sacrifice. So maybe 3PO could say something like, “Tell R2 I-“ or “I have a bad feeling about-“

What? Nah, we should definitely undercut the sacrifice with a joke.

I’m kidding. Cut the line.

EDIT: If we still wanted some sort of joke, I’d love for 3PO to embrace his sacrifice. I think a line like “I wonder if they’ll make a statue of me?” before he’s immediately deactivated would strike the right balance of sweet, sentimental, and ironic.

Making the Dagger an Ancient Artifact

  • In order to make the dagger distinctly ancient, redub Red-Eyed 3PO to give a new translation of the dagger. Instead of giving the exact coordinates, the new translation instructs the wielder to hold the dagger and embrace the darkness it holds. If they accept this “test”, the dagger will show them the way.
  • Cut Finn saying, “The Endor system? Isn’t that where the last war ended?” This will be pushed to later. They don’t have time to react to the translation, because the First Order shows up.
  • After Rey senses the dagger on the ship, cut Poe asking why they need it, and Rey saying, “A feeling.” The new translation makes it clear that they need the dagger to find the Wayfinder.
  • When Rey picks up the dagger and stares at it, she begins hearing whispers/screams and eventually sees a quick glimpse of the Death Star ruins. Kylo Ren interrupts her right after this moment. (This would tie in well to the whispers guiding her to vault on the Death Star, as Ascendant currently has it.)
  • At the beginning of the scene with Rey and Finn fixing the Falcon, add a part of Finn’s earlier line, “The Endor system? Where the last war ended?” (Either sentence, both likely won’t fit). Rey continues “All that matters is finding the Wayfinder. Finding Exegol.” Adding the line here helps clarify that Rey told them about her vision of the Death Star after they regrouped, and now they are heading there.

I’d love to see this in practice, because it sounds really good! Streamlined, effective, thematically relevant; and it seems tailor-made to the proposed angle for Rey Nobody, with Rey’s inner darkness. Would 3PO’s “Sith Translation” have to be re-dubbed completely from scratch, I assume?

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RogueLeader said:

  • Add graffiti to one of the walls of the Kijimi streets. Rebel symbol, crossed-out stormtrooper helmet, or Luke posing like the original Star Wars poster, with lightsaber overhead.

If we had some graffiti images, this would probably be a fairly simple change:

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The graffiti idea is great. The crew saying “the Jedi” is swell too, both seem accomplishable and small things that’d build up a bit of the film that feels missing.

The Zorii stuff is interesting. I’m all for cutting the spice runner backstory as I’m sure many are, but I wonder if there’s some way we could replace it with something else? Feels like there’d be some obviously missing info about Poe’s connection without that there. Zorii being a part of the Resistance seems like a nice solution but I’m not sure the connection is obvious as to what Poe did to make her mad.

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DominicCobb said:

The Zorii stuff is interesting. I’m all for cutting the spice runner backstory as I’m sure many are, but I wonder if there’s some way we could replace it with something else? Feels like there’d be some obviously missing info about Poe’s connection without that there. Zorii being a part of the Resistance seems like a nice solution but I’m not sure the connection is obvious as to what Poe did to make her mad.

I don’t think any specific connection is needed, honestly. Between what Poe says (“I had some bad luck on Kijimi.”) and Zorii figuratively bitch-slapping him as soon as she sees him, it’s pretty obvious already that they have some backstory, and that it didn’t end well. What that story is, I dunno - maybe Poe had a Resistance mission on Kijimi, and he crossed paths with Zorii - but does it matter so much for this story?

It’s basically the infamous elevator scene from AOTC, but with blasters. It’s two characters referencing [event] that happened [at some point in the past], that bears no immediate relevance to the story at hand. It emphasizes that they have a history together, and you get of sense of their dynamic; the specifics of that history are ultimately just pointless details.

Poe’s and Zorii’s relationship is pretty apparent as soon as she draws the blaster on him. What do you effectively lose by cutting the…five(?) “spice-runner” lines?

To be clear, if anyone likes the spice-runner backstory, then that’s great! But if you want to remove it, I don’t think it will cause too much of an issue, conceptually.

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Hmm, Faraday, you make a convincing argument for keeping it. I do like sherlock’s idea, where his last line could alternatively be a little egotistical (“I wonder if they’ll make a statue of me?”). It kind of shows off one of his other character flaws. I don’t mind keeping it once I see it from your perspective, but I think an alternate line that displays either his cowardice or his ego could still be fun to play with.

I’m glad you like some of those ideas, sherlock! The idea of Zori’s crew saying, “Jedi!” is an idea I got from the Duel of the Fates script. When Rey pulls out her saber on Kuat, the laborers all start saying, “Jedi! Jedi!” This wouldn’t necessarily have the same impact, but I did like that moment in the script.

bbghost’s test for Poe “Not a Spice-Runner” is pretty good! I think for an edit that went that route, I think it would be good to make Zori say “I’m still digging myself out of the hole you put me in when I left the Resistance”. Now that Poe isn’t a spice-runner, this would be the new way we could explain how Poe and Zori have history.

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The Zorii stuff is interesting. I’m all for cutting the spice runner backstory as I’m sure many are, but I wonder if there’s some way we could replace it with something else? Feels like there’d be some obviously missing info about Poe’s connection without that there. Zorii being a part of the Resistance seems like a nice solution but I’m not sure the connection is obvious as to what Poe did to make her mad.

This would be the one hiccup. There’s definitely some bad blood between them, and the line “I’m still digging myself out of the hole you put me in when I left the Resistance” wouldn’t really explain what Poe did that left Zori in the hole (I’m guessing a financial hole). There’s definitely a story there (in this version of events), but it’s not explained. But to be fair, she never really explains how Poe leaving the crew put her in a hole, either. In my head, I picture Poe and Zorii we’re on a mission together on Kijimi, Zorri decided to abandon the cause. Things went south, and she blames Poe for the consequences.

And yeah, like sherlock said, more power to the people who want to keep this stuff! Just trying to figure something out for those who do want to cut it. But I think trimming the line, "“I’m still digging myself out of the hole you put me in” would still be an improvement for both camps, at the very least.

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sherlockpotter said:

DominicCobb said:

The Zorii stuff is interesting. I’m all for cutting the spice runner backstory as I’m sure many are, but I wonder if there’s some way we could replace it with something else? Feels like there’d be some obviously missing info about Poe’s connection without that there. Zorii being a part of the Resistance seems like a nice solution but I’m not sure the connection is obvious as to what Poe did to make her mad.

I don’t think any specific connection is needed, honestly. Between what Poe says (“I had some bad luck on Kijimi.”) and Zorii figuratively bitch-slapping him as soon as she sees him, it’s pretty obvious already that they have some backstory, and that it didn’t end well. What that story is, I dunno - maybe Poe had a Resistance mission on Kijimi, and he crossed paths with Zorii - but does it matter so much for this story?

It’s basically the infamous elevator scene from AOTC, but with blasters. It’s two characters referencing [event] that happened [at some point in the past], that bears no immediate relevance to the story at hand. It emphasizes that they have a history together, and you get of sense of their dynamic; the specifics of that history are ultimately just pointless details.

Poe’s and Zorii’s relationship is pretty apparent as soon as she draws the blaster on him. What do you effectively lose by cutting the…five(?) “spice-runner” lines?

To be clear, if anyone likes the spice-runner backstory, then that’s great! But if you want to remove it, I don’t think it will cause too much of an issue, conceptually.

You may be right. I’m trying to watch the movie in my head and see how it plays. She’s a bounty hunter which is usually a bad guy profession, and we could see Poe as getting in a scrape with her, either as Resistance or New Republic.

Still, if there’s some line change or addition that works, can’t hurt.

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I agree, a new line playing up another of C-3PO’s character flaws could work just as well.

I’m personally fine with Poe being an ex-spice-runner, but I can appreciate why you’d want it gone (it’s not a very good idea to begin with) and changing it as described would work well, I reckon.

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That’s looking pretty good! My vote is definitely on subtle.
I hope this is something that can be pursued.

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Here’s a thought, what if rather than the yellow Sith eyes, dark side Rey had those blind zombie eyes like Palpatine? Similarly to the way we see her in that two frame vision she has.

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Chase Adams said:

Here’s a thought, what if rather than the yellow Sith eyes, dark side Rey had those blind zombie eyes like Palpatine? Similarly to the way we see her in that two frame vision she has.

Sure, that’s also a possibility.

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RogueLeader said:

  • Cut Finn saying, “The Endor system? Isn’t that where the last war ended?” This will be pushed to later. They don’t have time to react to the translation, because the First Order shows up.

Slightly off-topic but man… This line has always bugged the shit out of me. I mean… the war didn’t end on Endor! It ended on Jakku. You were the guy who made that event and that planet canon, JJ! Come on, man.

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sade1212 said:

Duplicating this from the Ascendant thread since it’s not specific to that project: what if evil Rey had Sith eyes? Here’s a test of it in motion. They could be obvious or subtle, or have her whole face look more vampirey.

I suggested an idea one time to have Palps’ eyes be pale the ENTIRE time after he sucks up the dyad, to reinforce he’s a spirit possessing a different body. Try experimenting with this idea.

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I personally viewed his eyes more of a decaying body than anything else. Which, we saw his deformed hands too, so I personally don’t see a connection of Sithy-ness of his eyes. If anything, the yellow eyes are pretty much the only thing associated with it.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I agree jarbear. That’s why I suggested we put the Sith eyes when she hisses, and also when she is on the Sith throne instead of milky eyes.

Oh and the throne part, that would be good place too.

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sade1212 said:

Duplicating this from the Ascendant thread since it’s not specific to that project: what if evil Rey had Sith eyes? Here’s a test of it in motion. They could be obvious or subtle, or have her whole face look more vampirey.

Wow this is great!, the subtle way would be the way to go, even with the subtle version i would turn the saturation of the eyes down 10% and they would be perfect.

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I interpreted the white eyes as Palps having gone blind because that’s how badly his body’s deteriorated.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

I interpreted the white eyes as Palps having gone blind because that’s how badly his body’s deteriorated.

Agreed, basically its from his decaying body … it seemed very clear to me that’s what was going on that’s what they were going for … which made some sense.

But why the milky Eye’s for Rey in that vision … made no sense. Sith eyes would have made both sense in the context of the vision AND actually connects to the previous movie’s portrayal of Sith Eyes.

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I hate rey with the milky eyes but I absolutely LOVE Palpatine’s milky eyes, we are looking at a dead body being puppeted about by the spirit of Palpatine