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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 44

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Gothamknight said:

With respect, I honestly can’t understand why so many people think it’s perfectly okay to have “Rey Nobody.”

TFA established, and TLJ continued, the notion that this “nobody” is vastly overpowered with the Force compared to anyone else, without any training. That needed an explanation.

Um…was the Dyad thing not the explanation?

Also, the idea that a “nobody” can have such innate talent with the Force was kind of the whole point/message, wasn’t it? Bloodlines don’t matter, anyone can be the most important person in the galaxy?

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I wonder if we could have the dyad concept introduced in The Force Awakens. Maybe when Kylo and Snoke first speak via hologram, it could go something like this.

Snoke: There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?

Kylo Ren: The dark side…

Snoke: -And the light.

Kylo Ren: A dyad in the Force…

Then as Nev mentioned, we get further exposition in TLJ.

Snoke: Darkness rises! And light to meet it… I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger, his equal in the light would rise. Skywalker, I assumed, wrongly.

And of course, we get the Force bond which kind of hammers in that connection.

And I think something further you could do is seed the Force whispers in a place or two in TFA, like Nev did for Starlight, and it kind of gives this feeling that Rey is being guided throughout the films by a supernatural force. Then, in the climax of TROS, as she is chanting “Be with me” and the camera floats up to the sky, we could once again hear the indecipherable Force whispers, but this time they crystallize into the voices of the Jedi. This could help give the implication that the spirits of the Jedi have been guiding Rey all along. This could give some extra weight to this moment, since it might feel more like a pay off than it was before.

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RogueLeader said:

I wonder if we could have the dyad concept introduced in The Force Awakens. Maybe when Kylo and Snoke first speak via hologram, it could go something like this.

Snoke: There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?

Kylo Ren: The dark side…

Snoke: -And the light.

Kylo Ren: A dyad in the Force…

Oh I like that.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Dang it, Hal already released the final version of TFA:R! Stop coming up with good ideas! 😉

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ChainsawAsh said:

Um…was the Dyad thing not the explanation?

Also, the idea that a “nobody” can have such innate talent with the Force was kind of the whole point/message, wasn’t it? Bloodlines don’t matter, anyone can be the most important person in the galaxy?

Totally agree, although to be honest, I did not understand what a dyad was after seeing TROS for the first time, which I think is a failure of the film (assuming that’s something they really wanted us to understand).

I find it interesting that so many people associate training with character development. People bash Rey as a “boring OP character”, while her internal struggles made her more interesting to me than Luke, whose struggle didn’t really develop until the third act of ESB. I also enjoyed Rey’s charm, charisma, and Luke-ish optimism ™, despite her struggle. Daisy Ridley made her instantly likable.

That Rey was a natural with the force was cool and new, I thought, and made me think that’s how these powers would have been originally discovered thousands of years ago. The rigid concepts of Jedi training felt like something we as viewers were meant to oppose because we love our heroes. Luke was technically too old for Jedi training, but didn’t we all want Yoda to train him, anyway? I never found the Jedi Academy model introduced in the prequels attractive, and I don’t think it was supposed to be. The real training is the personal journey, not a leveling up of powers. But there’s so many different things people like about Star Wars, I think it’s been interesting to see that come to the fore with the new Disney movies!

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I like the idea of adding, or hinting, or whatever about the Dyad thing in TFA since it is later spelled out in TROS. I think it would also satisfy people to understand how she “powered up” so quickly in the movies. Much better explanation then JJ’s response in TFA that she “downloaded” all of Kylo
s training.

I am fine with rare abilities or rare things in Jedi, that’s fine. Since Palps himself said it’s such a rare thing which explains why we wouldn’t have seen it in the previous trilogies. A-Ok with that!

It would be better than what the TFA was alluding to of "Light and Dark Side users balance out.

Since, well, it invalidates the previous two trilogies. If there is supposed to be a so called “balance” of Dark and Light side users … then the Rule of Two is invalid if there were 1000s of Jedi before.

And yes, one can say “The total power of Dark and Light, not the number of users” but the movie did NOT imply that at all. It was really portrayed as an individual/person thing as shown in the movie.

I would really love the hint, or even mention of it in the first movie. Just something since it will be explained at the end.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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idir_hh said:

This youtube edit I found is a concept for what an Anakin and Ben force ghost on Tatooine could look like.
https://youtu.be/BlnRy7g--tU

Heya! I’m the guy that made that~
Thanks for posting, I tried throwing it up on Reddit but it just got shit on so I deleted it ahah. Glad people here are enjoying it somewhat!

Darth Sadifous said:

A minor request would be for Ben and Anakin to be in lighter robes more similar to those of the Jedi. However, one could argue their darker robes reflect their darker past before returning to the light side of the force.

I actually thought of that quite a bit, but I’m admittedly not as into Star Wars as I assume most of you are, so I didn’t know exactly what robes would be the most appropriate :x Also, from a logistical viewpoint I’d be far more open to them having lighter robes, as trying to mix the levels/colors of the darker robes turned out to be a biiiiiiitch lol

Lesser said:

That is absolutely perfect and looks seamless enough to have been in the actual movie to me. Only thing is Anakin’s head looks a bit stiff but only upon replays.

His head is actually moving a bit, but most of it is when his ghost is fading in. I can probably reverse the clip and it’ll give a bit more head movement near the end (or at that, another clip may work better where the lighting is in the correct position).

Hal 9000 said:

Ben looks surprisingly good. could you perhaps do a version with only him added?
I’m not sure the footage of Anakin used is a slam dunk. Ideally he’d have the generic Jedi robes he wears in ROTJ. Hell, while I’m dreaming, a 30% morph into Sebastian Shaw would be even cooler if it worked at all.

I could pretty easily disable the layers with Anakin, yeh~ Again, I admit the footage is not that great - it’s a bit hard scanning through an entire movie for super specific head movements/expressions/lighting. If anyone here can find a better scene, feel free! And I may be able to marginally work After Effects, but trying to add in a bit of Sebastian Shaw is above my pay grade to say the least ahah

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idkartist3d said:

Heya! I’m the guy that made that~
Thanks for posting, I tried throwing it up on Reddit but it just got shit on so I deleted it ahah. Glad people here are enjoying it somewhat!

Reddit’s missing out! I wouldn’t mind a little tutorial video on how you made it, as I’ve been trying to get more into after effects. Plus that might be a more effective way for people to build off of your work if you were interested in that.

idkartist3d said:

Also, from a logistical viewpoint I’d be far more open to them having lighter robes, as trying to mix the levels/colors of the darker robes turned out to be a biiiiiiitch lol

Have you tried finding a shot of lighter robes similar to what Force Ghost Anakin wears in VI and put his head on like you did with Driver already?

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Hey there! Welcome to the forums. What do you think of rearranging the ghosts around with Anakin as the head, Luke and Leia than finally Ben in the foreground? Basically a generational handing of the skywalker name leading to Rey, in chronological order.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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That clip is good work.

For me, ideally you’d want to get rid of Anakin, put Ben in white robes and on the other side (by his mother). One day I’ll have to give it a go myself, but I’ll have to beef up my skills in the meantime. That’s not gonna be an easy task.

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Does anyone here have a good understanding of how to work with HDR content? I wouldn’t want an edit to be automatically inferior by being SDR. I work with AfterEffects and Premiere on Mac.

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Lesser said:
I wouldn’t mind a little tutorial video on how you made it, as I’ve been trying to get more into after effects.
Have you tried finding a shot of lighter robes similar to what Force Ghost Anakin wears in VI and put his head on like you did with Driver already?

I’ll see what I can do about a mini tutorial, but I don’t have the most free time at the moment to do so - if you got specific questions I’d be more than happy to answer though!~ And I did a tiny preliminary search, but finding things that would work well isn’t super easy.

idir_hh said:
Hey there! Welcome to the forums. What do you think of rearranging the ghosts around with Anakin as the head, Luke and Leia than finally Ben in the foreground? Basically a generational handing of the skywalker name leading to Rey, in chronological order.

Thanks! I like where you’re goin with the idea, though it may be a bit tricky, as I’d have to essentially move the entire shot over (and I’d have to erase part of Leia). Doable though, and makes a bit more sense than my arrangement imo.

DominicCobb said:
That clip is good work.
For me, ideally you’d want to get rid of Anakin, put Ben in white robes and on the other side (by his mother). One day I’ll have to give it a go myself, but I’ll have to beef up my skills in the meantime. That’s not gonna be an easy task.

Thank you~ And yeh, the number one point of contention for most people is the inclusion of Anakin. I personally see it as having the full Skywalker bloodline there to confirm Rey as an honorary Skywalker, though I can also see the flip side where she had no real connection to him. Not amazingly difficult to make two versions, so I guess I can let people choose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And I implore you to give it a go! I gotta warn you that it’s a complete time drain, but it’s suuuper satisfying when things come together. One of the best hobbies to pick up, imo~

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Drewton said:

Does anyone here have a good understanding of how to work with HDR content? I wouldn’t want an edit to be automatically inferior by being SDR. I work with AfterEffects and Premiere on Mac.

Hey Drewton,

Adobe has been slow to adopt good HDR support, so you may want to be ready to edit in Davinci Resolve or (hate to say it) FCPX.

For a recent project, I had to switch from premiere, which as of the 2019 version, only supported HDR as H.264 or H.265 exports from premiere (getting an HDR prores export from premiere was impossible). You have to right-click on the Lumetri color panel and the scopes and set it to HDR. At export, you can set it to H264 or H265 and select the HDR10 color space in dropdown menu.

This is as of premiere 2019, so they may have more options in 2020. This link may be of some help:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro/faq-setting-up-for-hdr-work-in-premiere-2020/td-p/10646406?page=1

Davinci and FCPX have much more intuitive setups and options for HDR, it’s basically checkboxes when setting up your new project (especially FCPX, which makes is super simple).

You will also need an HDR monitor to be able to do any kind of color correction, as everything will look blown out on an SDR monitor.

For After Effects, I rendered shots to the openEXR format, which takes up huge amounts of space, and needs to be interpreted properly and re-color corrected in whatever final editor you choose (which was doable, but still a bit of a pain).

I hope this helps and good luck! If you discover any new workflows, I’d love to hear about it!

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I have mentioned before that I was a bit disappointed that the Skywalker saber did change at all, really, despite TLJ creating the opportunity for Rey to build a saber of her own. Since we can’t give her a new lightsaber, I thought it would be interesting if broken crystal resulted in some kind of visual effect that paralleled the instability of Kylo Ren’s cracked crystal. But instead of it being fiery and unstable, it could pulsate rhythmically. This is sort of an example of what I was thinking. This first test is really subtle, maybe too subtle, but I think it gives the saber a living, breathing quality to it.

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RogueLeader said:

I have mentioned before that I was a bit disappointed that the Skywalker saber did change at all, really, despite TLJ creating the opportunity for Rey to build a saber of her own. Since we can’t give her a new lightsaber, I thought it would be interesting if broken crystal resulted in some kind of visual effect that paralleled the instability of Kylo Ren’s cracked crystal. But instead of it being fiery and unstable, it could pulsate rhythmically. This is sort of an example of what I was thinking. This first test is really subtle, maybe too subtle, but I think it gives the saber a living, breathing quality to it.

I like the idea of changing the saber, and that’s a nice idea, but unfortunately I think it’s too subtle, in part because it sort of just resembles the OG lightsaber effect.

Something more out there would be nice. I also think it’d be cool if when Rey gives Ben the saber if it goes back to normal.

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I might try to make the glowing effect more intense and see how that looks. I actually have it oscillate more rapidly when it is in Ben’s hand, as if the lightsaber is adjusting to Ben’s intensity.

I’m not sure what would be a good alternative effect that could be applied to the lightsaber. Since the instability of the Kylo Ren blade has some symbolic meaning, I feel the Skywalker Saber effect should have some equivalent symbolism for Rey’s state of being.

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RogueLeader said:

I might try to make the glowing effect more intense and see how that looks. I actually have it oscillate more rapidly when it is in Ben’s hand, as if the lightsaber is adjusting to Ben’s intensity.

I’m not sure what would be a good alternative effect that could be applied to the lightsaber. Since the instability of the Kylo Ren blade has some symbolic meaning, I feel the Skywalker Saber effect should have some equivalent symbolism for Rey’s state of being.

Might be interesting to have Rey’s be sort of electric as opposed to Kylo’s fiery one, to tie in with the Force lightning. I like the idea of glowing for Rey though, I see what you did there. Maybe the glow can get really bright and almost overwhelm the blue.

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I have a lot of ideas in my head that would improve my personal viewing experience but all of them take too much effort ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Jumping back up to the discussion of the ghosts, I think it is really important to add Ben and Anakin to the end. Anakin was the first important Skywalker and Rey the last. If this is actually the “Skywalker Saga” and truly a multi-generational story, then all of them should be present. It ties it all together in the final moments.

As for Rey’s lightsaber, I absolutely agree with doing something to make it apparent Rey rebuilt it, cus I kept waiting for that to be said in the movie and it wasn’t, she was just magically using a broken saber. And that felt thematically weird to me.

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Regarding the idea of a new saber effect for Rey – if anyone has played the first Force Unleashed, you can get “compressed” (pulsing effect running down the blade) and “unstable” (sort of a wavy, flowing appearance to the blade’s glow) crystals for every lightsaber color, the latter of which might fit well.

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Idkartist3d, welcome! That’s some nice work with the ghosts. What footage did you use for Ben?

I’d have to do some thinking before I’d be sure I would want to include Ben’s ghost in my project, but I’d love to have a version without Anakin. Ben is very germane you the movie whereas Anakin isn’t, and it’s too brief of a shot to include all four IMHO. Or, what about placing the Anakin layer at like 15% opacity to give the viewer just a subliminal reminder of the grand Skywalker patriarch?

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That’s a much better version I think. It really makes you feel like the crystal is struggling to keep the lightsaber on imo.