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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread - * SPOILERS * — Page 43

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I want to know if anyone “in the know” has access to any of this footage:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2493274/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalkers-deleted-scene-has-a-terrifying-spider-creature-so-prepare-for-more-calls-for-the-jj-cut-abrams

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2487483/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalkers-domhnall-gleeson-reveals-deleted-scene-for-hux

Plus anything Finn, Rose, Jannah, or Lando related that could flesh out those stories more.

This stuff has to exist in a hard drive somewhere. If someone were to, you know… “borrow” it…

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DominicCobb said:

I mean you could always make Rey’s saber purple. Part of me likes the idea that it’s the midway point between blue and red, but also thematically there isn’t really anything in the movie to set that up. Also the fact that Mace has a purple saber obscures that idea.

Rey’s lightsaber should have been green.

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RogueLeader said:

A quick and dirty test of something else I would like to see. (Click image to see test video)

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Thank you so much for doing this. I know we were both looking forward to changing it to purple shortly after the movie, and you beat me to it! Definitely feels more right.

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I think the general issue with the execution of Ben’s sacrifice is that it’s not entirely clear to a) the audience or b) Rey that Ben is actually, for real, going to die. Obviously by the movie’s internal force healing logical he has to, but after three fakeout deaths already (Chewie, C3P0, Rey) the audience is primed to expect this to be some sort of Force Dyad Ex Machina.
The music is tragic at first while he heals Rey, but then it becomes triumphant, and happy, and they kiss, and - oh, he dies anyway. There was just a bit of lag before the force claimed its life debt. Yes, I get that it’s intentionally playing with the audience’s emotions, but it just takes what could have been a triumphant moment of redemption (with the audience cheering Ben on to finally realise Anakin’s ambition to save others from death, but in a non-possessive, light side way) and turns into into a weird, empty guessing game.
Rey certainly didn’t expect him to die, and Daisy Ridley did a great job of making sure we can pin point the exact moment her heart rips in half, especially in eight times slowmo.

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NeverarGreat said:
But no, it’s a somewhat awkward shot of the twin suns for the third time, and a reused piece of music from TFA.

Hmm, what if “Broom Boy” was removed from TLJ and made the last scene of TROS . . . ?

(For me this might be easier, since I’m planning a 3-film mashup anyhow.)

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Gothamknight said:

NeverarGreat said:
But no, it’s a somewhat awkward shot of the twin suns for the third time, and a reused piece of music from TFA.

Hmm, what if “Broom Boy” was removed from TLJ and made the last scene of TROS . . . ?

(For me this might be easier, since I’m planning a 3-film mashup anyhow.)

I don’t have a problem with the final scene besides the absence of Ben (needs to be added w/ Luke and Leia), but I definitely think the broom boy could be re-purposed as saga finale, especially in an edit where Rey is no longer a Palpatine. It would ring home anyone can be a Jedi in the final frames of the saga.

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idir_hh said:

This youtube edit I found is a concept for what an Anakin and Ben force ghost on Tatooine could look like.
https://youtu.be/BlnRy7g--tU

Love it! Hope someone adds this for sure. However, a minor request would be for Ben and Anakin to be in lighter robes more similar to those of the Jedi. However, one could argue their darker robes reflect their darker past before returning to the light side of the force.

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You could have Anakin (the father) standing tall at the back behind Luke and Leia with Ben in the foreground. 3 generations passing on the skywalker name.

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That is absolutely perfect and looks seamless enough to have been in the actual movie to me. Only thing is Anakin’s head looks a bit stiff but only upon replays.

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Ben looks surprisingly good. could you perhaps do a version with only him added?
I’m not sure the footage of Anakin used is a slam dunk. Ideally he’d have the generic Jedi robes he wears in ROTJ. Hell, while I’m dreaming, a 30% morph into Sebastian Shaw would be even cooler if it worked at all.

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Sorry that was badly worded, I didn’t make the vid I just found it on Youtube. I’ll try find where he got the footage for Ben though.

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Oh, I see. Well, maybe we should recruit this guy! Lol

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idir_hh said:

This is the Fan-film you are looking for https://youtu.be/owrmLeX20CY

That film is outstanding. I intend to use it either in place of, or as a complement to, Force-Han appealing to Ben to leave the Dark Side behind. I’ll likely insert it at the point where Rey skewers Ben and he’s on the cusp of death. He blacks out and has a vision, which would be a segment of the short film.

The film’s concept of Kylo killing Vader would be my reedit’s version of Ben conquering the dark side. (Earlier in my 3-in-1 mashup, I’d have the scene where Kylo’s trying to wrench secrets from Rey’s mind, and she tells him he’s afraid he’ll never live up to Darth Vader.) When Ben comes to, either Rey’s gone and he’s managed to survive, or else he comes to just as she’s reviving him.

I could also splice in shots of Leia meditating/unconscious, implying that she’s sending Ben the vision.

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RogueLeader said:

After learning Palpatine was still alive and manipulating things like he had before, I felt it was a mistake for them to not double down on Rey Nobody.

With respect, I honestly can’t understand why so many people think it’s perfectly okay to have “Rey Nobody.”

TFA established, and TLJ continued, the notion that this “nobody” is vastly overpowered with the Force compared to anyone else, without any training. That needed an explanation. Either she had to have been parented by a very important “somebody” - or else there needed to be another layer of Force lore, something to the effect that every once in a while the Force, for whatever reasons the writers could invent, manifests in a unique way in a given individual. Rey could be the first such individual the galaxy had seen in eons.

But no, both TFA and TLJ simply assumed Rey’s Force-prowess, with zero explanation - and then TROS offered us the Palpatine explanation, which was dumb. But it would’ve been way dumber if TROS had simply gone with the “Rey Nobody” angle.

Seriously, I don’t get why this isn’t patently obvious.

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Why can’t she just have innate Force powers? Her usage of the Force never felt like a mystery to be solved to me. It’s just protagonist business.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Why can’t she just have innate Force powers? Her usage of the Force never felt like a mystery to be solved to me. It’s just protagonist business.

Something something Mary Sue.

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DominicCobb said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Why can’t she just have innate Force powers? Her usage of the Force never felt like a mystery to be solved to me. It’s just protagonist business.

Something something Mary Sue.

To be fair, she picked it up much more quickly than anyone else in the galaxy, including the literal Chosen One.

There is actually an explanation in TLJ for this, the whole ‘darkness rises and light to meet it’. It is shown how Rey and Ben are as evenly matched as can be possible. While this might not satisfy everyone, to expect a different explanation in the final installment is a bit silly. The only thing worse than that would be to actually provide such an explanation, which would alienate those who have accepted the prior explanation as well as coming so late in the story that everyone else has already made up their minds.

In short, pulling that thread in the eleventh hour will just make a mess.

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Octorox said:
What I think a lot of fans don’t want to accept (and to be honest, I don’t think Abrams and Terrio wanted to accept this either) is that the OT characters are not the main characters of these new movies.

I think we could’ve accepted that just fine - except that the new characters weren’t well developed, or, well - fun.

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snooker said:

Why is Kylo ‘talking’ to Darth’s mask if in the scene before he was informed that he never spoke to him? Is it just like, triggering a flashback in Kylo in the same way that the Skywalker Saber started one with Rey?

I’m going to insert part of the Vader-vs-Kylo fan film here. Kylo keeps having visions of Vader that are driving him to prove himself.

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NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Why can’t she just have innate Force powers? Her usage of the Force never felt like a mystery to be solved to me. It’s just protagonist business.

Something something Mary Sue.

To be fair, she picked it up much more quickly than anyone else in the galaxy, including the literal Chosen One.

I mean, in the Original Trilogy, training in the Force is made out to be like putting yourself in the right state of mind. Every single moment on training Luke goes through in the Original Trilogy is a mental exercise, and not the workout regimen the prequels make it out to be or a lot of fans expect it to be based on other fantasy stories, especially ones with hard magic systems.

In that sense, Rey picking it up faster makes a ton of sense. It takes Luke almost a while movie before he even believes the Force is a thing that exists, takes him until the end of ANH before he’s willing to give it the time of day and even toward the beginning of ESB, he’s still not as reliant and trusting in the Force as a Jedi should be. Versus Rey, whose whole thing in TFA was that she starts out already generally believing in all of that, and it just takes her being involved in the legends she already believed in for her to reach the threshhold it took Luke a whole movie to pass.

After that, I’d frankly argue her growth is slower than Luke’s. In ESB, his conflict in training as a Jedi was to learn about what a good Jedi should be, but Rey’s in TLJ is about unlearning the bad and wrong ideas about how the Force works. Which is fitting honestly, after the prequels gave a bunch of people bad and wrong ideas about how the Force works.

As for picking it up quicker than the literal Chosen One… I mean the prequels don’t really show Anakin being powerful at all, all there really is is the Phantom Menace going on and on about how his force meter power level is so high. He doesn’t really do anything impressive, and he’s not shown to be any more in tune with the Force or the universe than any other Jedi, in fact he seems less so. Which is weird since apparently he’s supposed to be born of the Force?

I could go on and on and on about this but this isn’t the trashing the prequels thread.

tl;dr: Rey is great (in TFA and TLJ) and not a Mary Sue (in TFA and TLJ) and Rey Nobody is awesome and Rey Palpatine sucks

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NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Why can’t she just have innate Force powers? Her usage of the Force never felt like a mystery to be solved to me. It’s just protagonist business.

Something something Mary Sue.

To be fair, she picked it up much more quickly than anyone else in the galaxy, including the literal Chosen One.

I don’t know why somehow everyone thinks “picks it up more quickly” means “most powerfulest person ever.” Also, I’m pretty sure I remember the Chosen One internalizing a quick Force pep talk and going from never finishing a pod race to winning the big one (first for a human), perfectly passing the Jedi council test, and destroying the Trade Federation spaceship, all at the age of nine. Not that we need to relitigate the most obnoxious argument of all time.