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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread - * SPOILERS * — Page 23

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For those on the team that Rey should be a clone, could we somehow imply that she is a clone of Mara Jade? I remember when TFA came out, people assumed that the rock near Luke on Ach-To looked like a grave. What if we played into that idea?

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Anakin Starkiller said:

What’s with all the hashtags, babajaga? You’re acting like an anime character.

oh well, just my way of trying to point out things that have been discussed on the internet without having to go over them again 😉

Gimpy said:

For those on the team that Rey should be a clone, could we somehow imply that she is a clone of Mara Jade? I remember when TFA came out, people assumed that the rock near Luke on Ach-To looked like a grave. What if we played into that idea?

mhh… I don’t like cloning. For me cloning is always such a lazy plot device for bringing people back or retconning/fixing things. I mean, unless the movie specifically deals with the topic of cloning (such as Moon, The Island, etc.) it just comes off as tropy.

In other words: Cloning is unbreakable. You use it when you’re not able to come up with anything else. I personally prefer her being a no one (I think even JJ said so in an interview back in 2016. Thats’s why Rian and Colin’s Duel Of The Fates followed that idea).

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If Rey’s a clone of anyone she should be either a clone of Palpatine or Vader, since they’re the lineages that Palpatine is known to value. Probably Palpatine himself, since Kylo is already a Vader child under his thrall.

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  1. What always bothered me about the movie was that we know within the first 5 minutes of the film not only that Palpatine is back, but where exactly he is. So where is the point of us going on a fetch quest with our heroes, when we already know what they gonna find and where they gonna find it? That’s why the movie lacks suspense. So we need to shift the Kylo Ren scenes on Exogol around a little bit. I don’t know how yet, but that’s kind of a biggie for me at least.

  2. This goes along with (1). Maybe we can shift the Palpatine reveal with Kylo towards to middle somewhere, so to create a build up towards Palpatine. The crawls needs to be changed (goes without saying) and RIGHT AFTER the crawl we could start with the #FortniteMessage by Palpatine. Or Maybe start with Rey’s training sequence and shortly after incorporate the #FortniteMessage into another scene or create a montage of a few planets while the message is being voiced over. So like the entire Galaxy was listening?

If we get the extended Mustafar scene (one can hope), we can intertwine Rey and the gangs search for Palpatine’s wayfinder with Kylo’s search for Vader’s wayfinder and him ultimately getting to exogol first. He finds Palpatine and is told to bring Rey to him(rogues idea) so they can rule the new empire as empress and emperor. This should probably be placed before the kijimi sequence where kylo informs Rey of her True heritage.

Thats kind of exactly what I said to my friend after we watched the movie in the cinema. Basically explaining that the entire first 2 acts should have been a “race” towards the wayfinders/Exogol and who is gonna reach the goal first. This would create so much suspense for the viewers because it would keep us guessing who is gonna reach it first? That’s how you can make a stupid fetch quest actually great. Almost kinda like Indiana Jones and The Last crusade.

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EddieDean said:

If Rey’s a clone of anyone she should be either a clone of Palpatine or Vader, since they’re the lineages that Palpatine is known to value. Probably Palpatine himself, since Kylo is already a Vader child under his thrall.

I get this idea but I don’t think this fits the definition of a clone. A clone is genetically identical to the original. If it isn’t, then it isn’t a clone, it is something else.

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I’m not sure I understand the desire to make Rey a clone one way or the other.

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For me cloning is always such a lazy plot device for bringing people back or retconning/fixing things. I mean, unless the movie specifically deals with the topic of cloning (such as Moon, The Island, etc.) it just comes off as tropy.

Agreed. That said, Lucas managed to find a way to use cloning that is neither morally interesting nor a crutch for recovering from a bad storytelling decision. Not sure why he did that, but he did.

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Inspired by this Just Write video, I kind of wanted to make a fanedit that just ends the story with TLJ. Almost everything is resolved by TLJ, so it kinda works. Even the First Order still roaming around is resolved: While the Resistance is decimated, the First Order didn’t exactly leave the movie unscathed or frankly even in a better position than it started in, and the Broom Boy scene kind of cements that the First Order is living on borrowed time. It leaves the plot lines loose enough to be reopened, but they’re still resolved. Kind of like the end of Breaking Bad Season 4 or the Original Star Wars movie: the plot could have ended there and it would’ve worked fine.

The only issue is that Rey and Kylo Ren’s relationship is unresolved. I originally thought to cut the final force-skype out of TLJ, implying the connection ended with the story being resolved. That would have worked, but I had this idea:

-The crawl says that despite the First Order technically winning in the Last Jedi, they’ve lost Snoke, their best ships, there’s disunity between Hux and Kylo Ren, etc, etc, and they’re in really bad shape. Plus, Luke Skywalker’s actions on Crait inspired the galaxy to join the Resistance. The First Order is losing, but Kylo Ren’s leadership is the one thing keeping them alive.

-Kylo Ren has a vision that he will meet a ghost in the wreckage of the Death Star that will change the galaxy. He thinks it’s either Palpatine or Vader, since they died there. He wants to seek it out. Rey may or may not have had this same vision, but she knows about it and wants to prevent Kylo from reaching it. Always in motion, the future is, and she can prevent it.

-Rey and Kylo Ren fight on the Death Star, Rey stabs him, and heals him. She leaves knowing that Vader never became a ghost, Anakin did, and his ghost left Endor long ago, and that Palpatine’s soul was destroyed with his body. Neither of them are here.

-Kylo Ren takes a moment to reflect on this, and finally meets the ghost: Han Solo. They talk, and Kylo Ren throws away his lightsaber.

-Kylo Ren was the last thing the First Order had left, and without him, they’re finally pushed to defeat.

There would probably be more stuff in there, but this is just the barebones of what the edit would make it about. There’s also a few things I’m not sure how I’d pull off, but I’d like to try.

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This is an interesting idea. Maybe the wayfinder could be a holocron (the Emperor’s holocron?), and Rey discovers a clue about it in the Jedi texts. Maybe Rey thinks it will reveal the key to defeating the First Order, maybe show her a weakness. While Rey is training for her mission, Kylo connects with her and discovers what she is planning to do. So she has to rush and get it before he does.

Although in retrospect I like the idea you have with ghosts and the foreshadowing there. Maybe after Ben throws his lightsaber away, you could even have an edited montage of the Star Destroyers being destroyed across the galaxy. You could maybe even have the Resistance celebrating. You could end with Rey looking at the forest and Finn asks her what she is looking at, and she says, nothing. But maybe it could be edited to where we see that she is looking at Ben through the Force bond. Maybe we could edit some footage of him on Pasana, but make it look like he has exiled himself to the Lars Homestead. Or, maybe Rey goes to exile herself on Tatooine after that, and it could seem more solemn, but at the end we see Ben has come there too, maybe with the implication that he’ll change her mind and they’ll restart the Jedi order together.

Saying all of this, I personally don’t like the idea of Saga ending with just a duology. So you’d have three prequels, the three originals, and then just two sequels?
After reading your comment, I had this idea that you probably could take the prequels and the sequels and turn them into one prologue and one epilogue for the original trilogy. The prologue could mostly be Revenge of the Sith, excising most contradictions with the OT. Either you could show Anakin’s fall, or keep it ambiguous in order to watch it chronologically and save the reveal. The the epilogue could just be TFA and TLJ, but keep the story to Rey and Kylo’s perspectives, and end it with Broom Boy. You could pull a Hal and name the edits after Legends books, Star Wars: Prologue - Specter of the Past and Star Wars: Epilogue - Vision of the Future.

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Ironically it might be more fitting to swap those titles.

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Lol, yeah, it really could apply to both. But I think the biggest Specter, Palpatine, could be removed from the ST by mostly just not having TROS for that Epilogue.

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RogueLeader said:

EddieDean said:

If Rey’s a clone of anyone she should be either a clone of Palpatine or Vader, since they’re the lineages that Palpatine is known to value. Probably Palpatine himself, since Kylo is already a Vader child under his thrall.

I get this idea but I don’t think this fits the definition of a clone. A clone is genetically identical to the original. If it isn’t, then it isn’t a clone, it is something else.

In the real world, clones can come out either gender. It’s not carried by your genetics. Though that said, in the Star Wars movies, we do have a precedent where two hundred thousand clones have ‘inherited’ the gender of the ‘father’, with a million more well on the way.

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Sparky, RogueLeader, I really like the idea you’re throwing around here. TROS really does little other than try to justify itself, whereas TLJ does feel far more conclusive. I agree that the only real ‘meat’ of TROS which also concludes a key part of the story is Rey vs Kylo around the old Death Star wreckage, and Kylo’s Han dream.

I think you have either two options - a ~15 min epilogue ‘movie’ with a crawl which would explain stuff, or appending it to TLJ, which I think is better. I don’t think a duology is problematic even if a trilogy was the norm. I know it’s a little clumsy, but you could insert a ‘four months later’ title card if you had to.

As much as I like it, if you were going to excise anything for time you could probably cut out the entirety of Finn’s storyline. That’d keep TLJ a lot more focused on the pursuit, Snoke, and Rey’s training by Luke.

The only thing I’d add in to a TLJ+TROS ‘final’ movie would be to cut in the flashback of Luke training Leia over the scene where she’s floating in space just before the Poppins flight, and then end with Rey training under Leia from the beginning of TROS.

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[I’m not a native speaker, but I hope all this still makes sense (well, at least language-wise)]

I rewatched the movie yesterday for a third time (along with my notebook, btw) and came to the conclusion that it should not just be rather uncomplicated (technically as well as story-wise) to remove the whole “Rey Palpatine”-nonsense, but also the force dyad, as to me it raises more questions than it solves problems.

I counted six scenes with explicit mentions of Reys Palpatine-heritage (including the one big, fat first encounter between her and Palpatine on Exegol) and three or four scenes in which it somehow is implied (but probably could be worked around). If one would more or less just cut them out or somehow alter them, the plot would not just still makes sense, but actually would even make more sense, especially from a philosophical point of view (because, you know, Rey Nobody…).

The Dyad is only mentioned twice (again on a rather larger scale during the grand finale on Exegol). As far as I recall, there is no word on it in the previous two movies. Until yesterday I honestly didn’t had a problem with it, but the (undeniable) special connection between Rey and Kylo could be explained differently and better, although I’m not yet sure how this could be done satisfactorily. My best idea is that Rey created that connection somehow by pushing back into Kylos mind while he force-interrogates Rey in Ep7. Also, of course, Snoke declared that he created that connection (but wouldn’t that mean that Palpatine did this through Snoke?).

All in all, I too think (as it has been suspected in this forum before) that the initial plan was to keep going with Rey Nobody and then changed probably with the reshoots, as (at least) the Palpatine-bloodline seems just so clumsy added (so might be the force dyad).

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You’re doing the Lord’s work, fido!

Lucasfilm Sound Designer Matthew Wood was on a podcast today or yesterday where he said he went to Adam Driver’s house in New York and recorded new lines for Kylo in his closet, the same night as his interview with Seth Meyers. People seem to be speculating that this likely was to make Palpatine Rey’s grandfather. Some have speculated that the dyad angle had a stronger focus and was likely what Palpatine was after from the start, rather than being surprised by their connection.

I wonder if we could revert Palpatine’s goal to this somehow. He realizes that Rey and Kylo are the Dyad, through Snoke. Then his mission is to bring them both to Exegol in order to resurrect himself (“Your coming together will be your undoing…”). Maybe his back-up plan was to body-hop if necessary, but draining the life-force of the dyad was his primary goal.

To stray topics a little, I was wanting to have a conversation about how to handle the conclusion of the political subplot of the film. At the end of the movie, we see First Order Star Destroyers inexplicably fall apart across the galaxy. It really just repeats ROTJ, where the Empire was seemingly defeated and everyone was celebrating across the galaxy (and look how that turned out). I’m wondering what people think might be the strongest approach to conclude this story.

Some seem to like the idea of emphasizing the cycle of war and resistance by showing the Resistance forces chasing down a Star Destroyer, as sort of a reversal of A New Hope, basically to say that whenever tyranny rises there will always be those who will rise to fight it.
Alternatively, I think it would be also interesting to see a unification or peace between the First Order and the Resistance, to signify that the Republic that broke apart in the Clone Wars is finally coming back together. There is some symbolism there of healing old wounds that I think can be found throughout the film. Any other ideas? Would like to know what you think. Most of these would be theoretically achieved through some new CG ship model shots rather than entirely new filmed footage.

Also, just kind of wanting to gauge people’s interest in a fan edit where Ben Solo lives at then end of TROS. You can vote here to help give me a sense if people would like to see it.

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More and more it’s sounding like Rey Palpatine was a last minute addition, and I can’t decide if that makes more or less sense.

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RogueLeader said:

Lucasfilm Sound Designer Matthew Wood was on a podcast today or yesterday where he said he went to Adam Driver’s house in New York and recorded new lines for Kylo in his closet, the same night as his interview with Seth Meyers. People seem to be speculating that this likely was to make Palpatine Rey’s grandfather. Some have speculated that the dyad angle had a stronger focus and was likely what Palpatine was after from the start, rather than being surprised by their connection.

Yeah I saw that. I think I might have even mentioned the possibility here shortly after I first saw the film. The more I think about it though, the less sure I am of it being a super late reshoot change. It was in all the leaks, which were out well before the final pickup and ADR sessions. Still, it’s no accident that Kylo has the mask for those crucial exposition scenes. Whether they knew Rey would be a Palpatine or not during principal photography, I think they wanted to leave that aspect open to change further down the line, one way or the other. Rey literally never once acknowledges that she’s a Palpatine. This is definitely on purpose, either they added it later, as we’ve speculated, or they wanted the option to get rid of it later, as hopefully we will now be able to do.

To stray topics a little, I was wanting to have a conversation about how to handle the conclusion of the political subplot of the film. At the end of the movie, we see First Order Star Destroyers inexplicably fall apart across the galaxy. It really just repeats ROTJ, where the Empire was seemingly defeated and everyone was celebrating across the galaxy (and look how that turned out). I’m wondering what people think might be the strongest approach to conclude this story.

Some seem to like the idea of emphasizing the cycle of war and resistance by showing the Resistance forces chasing down a Star Destroyer, as sort of a reversal of A New Hope, basically to say that whenever tyranny rises there will always be those who will rise to fight it.
Alternatively, I think it would be also interesting to see a unification or peace between the First Order and the Resistance, to signify that the Republic that broke apart in the Clone Wars is finally coming back together. There is some symbolism there of healing old wounds that I think can be found throughout the film. Any other ideas? Would like to know what you think. Most of these would be theoretically achieved through some new CG ship model shots rather than entirely new filmed footage.

Also, just kind of wanting to gauge people’s interest in a fan edit where Ben Solo lives at then end of TROS. You can vote here to help give me a sense if people would like to see it.

I joked you were a very democratic fan editor before, nice to see you back it up in a literal way haha.

I voted yes, but for me it’s not a simple question to answer. I would have preferred he lived in the film, because I would have liked to see him have to live a life of atonement, not just because I didn’t want my favorite character to die. So I don’t mind his death, but the way it’s done, particularly with Leia, isn’t great, so in a way I would prefer that he survived. But ultimately which I prefer comes down to which can be more believably executed.

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Haha, it reminds me back when I made that Saga Continuity Thread and it was starting to feel like a committee-made fan editing project! Not exactly my intention. But yeah, I’m going to have an edit where Ben Solo lives regardless, but I think it would be cool if multiple editors worked together to make an alternative epilogue, and that is one of the things I wanted to accomplish.

Unfortunately I think the epilogue is going to have to do a lot of the heavy lifting for the film, since we can only do so much with the main body of the film. But to me, having a better epilogue can go a long way to make the film have a more satisfying ending for the audience, and also leave a lot to the imagination. I guess I would like for it to be where someone could watch this fan made ending and it leaves them wondering about the future adventures these characters will go on. Which is why I want to give people a better taste of how the war concludes or carries on, and what happens to Finn, Poe, Chewie, 3PO and R2, and finally Rey and Ben. Where do their stories go after the celebration?

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fidodido said:

I counted six scenes with explicit mentions of Reys Palpatine-heritage (including the one big, fat first encounter between her and Palpatine on Exegol) and three or four scenes in which it somehow is implied (but probably could be worked around). If one would more or less just cut them out or somehow alter them, the plot would not just still makes sense, but actually would even make more sense, especially from a philosophical point of view (because, you know, Rey Nobody…).

Based on my three viewings, I already have a pretty detailed plan of how I’ll get rid of Rey Palpatine. I don’t want to share until I have the film in front of me, just to make sure. But for help, these are the key scenes I’ve identified.

  • Palpatine says for Kylo to beware Rey, because she is not who she seems (this is the end of their conversation and should be easily lopped off)
  • Kylo and Rey’s force bond/duel where Kylo discusses Palpatine having her parents murdered. This is obviously setting up the reveal in the next scene. How much you want to leave and how much you want to change is up to how you want to solve the reveal. Regardless, Kylo’s lines about Rey’s parents (and how they’re portrayed in the flashback) are contradictory with what we’re told about them in TLJ.
  • The hangar reveal. As with the past scene, Kylo is masked, so everything he says can be changed. Rey basically says nothing.
  • Luke talks with Rey about being a Palpatine. Lines will have to be cut, not just Luke saying “because you’re a Palpatine,” but really the whole bit about Leia still wanting to train her despite her blood. I can’t think of anyway to retain those lines without Rey Palpatine.
  • Rey confronts Palpatine on Exegol. A handful of Palpatine’s lines directly mention their relation. But I believe these can be safely excised.

Those are the main ones, but depending on how far you want to take it, there might be more. If you want to take Rey’s parents out of the story entirely, you’ll have to remove lines in a few different scenes, get rid of all the flashbacks, and probably change the ship in TFA. There’s also the running theme of Rey being “afraid of who she is.” Depending on how much you want to change, you might have to remove this too.

Personally, I think the simplest/most pain free option is to simply remove Palpatine being her grandfather and her parents trying to protect her, and just make it so that Palpatine wanted to “kill” her because he saw her future and that she would take the throne. Kylo basically already says this outright, so mostly it’s just judiciously removing lines and shots, and then I think you have to place emphasis on Rey’s vision during her training to more believably make it the dark cloud that hangs over her during the film (in place of her lineage).

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RogueLeader said:

Haha, it reminds me back when I made that Saga Continuity Thread and it was starting to feel like a committee-made fan editing project! Not exactly my intention. But yeah, I’m going to have an edit where Ben Solo lives regardless, but I think it would be cool if multiple editors worked together to make an alternative epilogue, and that is one of the things I wanted to accomplish.

Unfortunately I think the epilogue is going to have to do a lot of the heavy lifting for the film, since we can only do so much with the main body of the film. But to me, having a better epilogue can go a long way to make the film have a more satisfying ending for the audience, and also leave a lot to the imagination. I guess I would like for it to be where someone could watch this fan made ending and it leaves them wondering about the future adventures these characters will go on. Which is why I want to give people a better taste of how the war concludes or carries on, and what happens to Finn, Poe, Chewie, 3PO and R2, and finally Rey and Ben. Where do their stories go after the celebration?

That’s exactly how I feel. I see a lot of complaints online about a lot of aspects of the final scene, but ultimately the real reason it falls flat for me is simple: it doesn’t make me excited for what comes next. I think they were to caught up with making it an ~ending~ that they forgot that most great endings leave you excited for the future of the characters regardless of whether you’ll see those futures or not.

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I don’t really think this is feasible, but I feel like the movie would’ve had better momentum if Rey didn’t stop and get a pep talk from Luke before going to Exegol. If Rey had her vision in the Death Star, almost killed Kylo and pushed Finn, then took Kylo’s ship and went straight to Exegol alone, I feel like the tension would be a lot higher. Rey throughout the whole film has slowly been tapping into that dark side more and more, so what if the Rey vs Kylo battle on the Death Star had been like a turning point where Kylo started on the path toward the light, and Rey started descending into darkness. Rey has slowly became more isolated and hopeless, and she feels like all is lost until she realizes Ben came for her on Exegol.

Obviously this would create some issues, like losing the only scene with Luke, creating a continuity issue with Rey flying a different ship to and from Exegol, as well as having no explanation for where Leia’s saber came from. I obviously like the message of the Luke scene, but I feel like we would’ve been more worried for Rey if she had went straight to Palpatine instead.

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Also, just kind of wanting to gauge people’s interest in a fan edit where Ben Solo lives at then end of TROS. You can vote here to help give me a sense if people would like to see it.

Yes, I’m keen on seeing a version where Ben lives!

My little fan-fiction brain went into overdrive after seeing the movie as I was slightly saddened that Ben died…not because it was actually sad, but because it seemed to end an exciting character with lots of un-mined potential.

Please excuse me whilst I briefly deviate from the core discussion, but my ‘pitch’ for the ongoing story of Ben Solo is where he is effectively a Jedi ‘John Wick’ :-p

Ben’s years spent as Kylo Ren mean he can never join the good guys, he’s caused to much hurt and pain to ever be accepted. In fact, he’s probably officially considered a War criminal?

So, he’s committed himself to a life of exile where he’s just a drifter looking to carve out a little bit of the galaxy for himself, trying to keep a low profile and live out the rest of his days in relative peace.

BUT like any good anti-hero he’s not a saint!

  • Maybe he’s a smuggler?
  • Maybe he’s a pilot (or a navigator aboard a spice freighter?)
  • Maybe he’s a Bounty Hunter or a Mercenary?..a Ronin?

He isn’t some more evolved, zen version of himself - like your normal, run of the mill Jedi-hermit - he’s a chip off the old block, he’s a Rogue and he still has all the edginess associated with his bloodline.

Anyhow, his darker past has a habit of catching up with him and that continually forces him into situations where he gets to unleash lots of savage, Jedi badassery when the circumstances call for it.

So yes, please someone try keeping Ben alive? if for no other reason than to let me pretend that there might be an alternate version of a Galaxy Far Far Away where this could all play out 😃

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Just to add some more thoughts, maybe somebody can feel me on this:

To me, the main theme of the whole ST is Balance. While I honestly do think that the sequels are telling a story not worth telling, the lone justification for them (at least in my grown-up-with-the-prequels-eyes) might be that the “balance” of the force (between light and dark, good and evil, etc.) was not restored when Luke (a jedi) “killed” Palpatine (a sith), because that way the balance would be outweighed by the jedi again.
That is, of course, because “That Force does not belong to the Jedi”: Both Jedi and Sith are nothing but religions, with all their dogmatic rules and prophecies and you name it, while the force is something bigger (and I’m not saying midichlorians! After all, Star Wars is a mythological space-opera, which is why a metaphysical force-power is perfectly ok).

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I don’t really think this is feasible, but I feel like the movie would’ve had better momentum if Rey didn’t stop and get a pep talk from Luke before going to Exegol. If Rey had her vision in the Death Star, almost killed Kylo and pushed Finn, then took Kylo’s ship and went straight to Exegol alone, I feel like the tension would be a lot higher. Rey throughout the whole film has slowly been tapping into that dark side more and more, so what if the Rey vs Kylo battle on the Death Star had been like a turning point where Kylo started on the path toward the light, and Rey started descending into darkness. Rey has slowly became more isolated and hopeless, and she feels like all is lost until she realizes Ben came for her on Exegol.

Obviously this would create some issues, like losing the only scene with Luke, creating a continuity issue with Rey flying a different ship to and from Exegol, as well as having no explanation for where Leia’s saber came from. I obviously like the message of the Luke scene, but I feel like we would’ve been more worried for Rey if she had went straight to Palpatine instead.

That said, I really like your idea there, RogueLeader, as it adds to the feeling that the tandem of Rey and Kylo kind of mirroring each other in their search for purpose as well as all the doubts that come along with that. Both of them are somehow bound to an illusion of good/evil, almost caricatured trying to fit in those predetermined jedi-/sith-roles (i.e. Kylos “MOOORE”-moment on Crait). Then again, they’re having feelings that are just not fitting in (or accidentally (not-)killing Chewie with darkside-forcepowers).
The balance lies in between all of that, with both characters representing the opposite side of an imaginary scale during most of the trilogy, going back and forth and then ultimately meet each other in the middle, in balance: Palpatine gets destroyed, bringing an (hopefully glancing at Disney) definite end to the sith-order, while Rey, choosing and understands to be a jedi in that very moment, is dying in doing so. The sith end. The jedi end. The force outlives both of them, as it always was there and always will be there. It belongs to no one and lives in every one.
Then, Kylo (redeemed from the dark, but tainted) brings his final sacrifice by saving Rey, who gets reborn as something new, the personification of balance (in that point, I really like her new yellow lightsaber, as it is something new, never seen before (outside the old EU). Plus, if you mix red (sith) and green (jedi), you get yellow. Of course, red and blue would be more picturesque, but that would give you: purple. Damn you, Samuel L. Jackson!). That’s also why I like the fact that Kylo dies: he continues to live in and through Rey: the duality of good and bad in one person

As one might already assumed, I am a rather big fan of TLJ (except stuff like spacewalk-Leia, which, eventually, got me into this forum (and edits in general) in the first place). I also (mostly) like Lukes new role there, because he seemed to grew out of that religion-thing and got the whole picture of the indifferent force now (his only mistake (and he makes up for it) was to think that just because you don’t believe in a certain moral system anymore, you don’t have to or should fight for what is right in your mind anymore).
He teaches Rey that the jedi must end (as stated above) in two lessons in TLJ (before getting teached himself by Yoda). The third lesson is never mentioned, though, and many theories about it have occurred since. I see the possibility of fixing that error by using the Luke-Rey-exchange on Ahch To in TROS: Luke says something like “if you don’t face Palpatine, the jedi will die and the war will end”. At first glance, it seems like a warning, similar to what Yoda says to Luke before his rescue-mission to Bespin. Something bad will happen. But what if we just somehow get rid of that “don’t”: “if you face Palpatine, the jedi will die and the war will end”. That way (admittedly with some interpretation) he kind of hints at her what has to be done: Face Palpatine, destroy him and the jedi all the same, and the ongoing war will finally be over, as balance is established.

Oh boy, I’m afraid that this whole thing is getting out of (my) hands. There are still so many question marks. Actually, I’m more the gentle-edit-kind-of-guy. But this movie is just so unbelievable disappointing and needs some serious work.

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Stumbled across an interesting find today. Someone tweeted two photos today related to TROS. One photo is of JJ on a set from production that seems to have been cut from the final film, and the second photo is a piece of concept art similar to that set depicting a scene where Kylo interrogates a captive Chewbacca. The similarities between the set and the room seem to indicate that a scene between Kylo and Chewbacca was actually filmed. Hopefully if this is true, we’ll get this deleted scene on the home release.