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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread - * SPOILERS * — Page 19

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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

What does everyone think about the idea of removing Palpatine completely? I posted some suggestions for it a few comments ago. Is it feasible or not?

Honestly I can’t imagine how that would work. Not that it couldn’t, but I can’t see it myself. So much of the film revolves around him it’d be very hard to do.

I posted a planned plot outline for a Palpatine-free version on the previous page. You might want to look at that.

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TPM/AOTC/ROTS (Hal 9000 edits), ANH/ESB/ROTJ (Despecialized), The Mandalorian.
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StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

What does everyone think about the idea of removing Palpatine completely? I posted some suggestions for it a few comments ago. Is it feasible or not?

Honestly I can’t imagine how that would work. Not that it couldn’t, but I can’t see it myself. So much of the film revolves around him it’d be very hard to do.

I posted a planned plot outline for a Palpatine-free version on the previous page. You might want to look at that.

I saw it. The problem is basically two fold. First of all, to shift the story like you want, you need dialogue that doesn’t exist. Secondly, without Palpatine, there’s no real climax. You didn’t explain how you’d handle Rey and Ben on Exegol, I think what you’re implying is they aren’t there at all. But you can’t rest everything on the ground and space battle, there’s really no meat to either, and they’re basically just a backdrop for what really matters, Rey and Ben vs. Palpatine.

I don’t know how you could erase Rey from the climax of the film and not have it feel like there was a lot missing. Maybe if you wanted to do a really short epilogue movie it could work, I don’t know. It’s an interesting idea but there isn’t a lot to work with.

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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

What does everyone think about the idea of removing Palpatine completely? I posted some suggestions for it a few comments ago. Is it feasible or not?

Honestly I can’t imagine how that would work. Not that it couldn’t, but I can’t see it myself. So much of the film revolves around him it’d be very hard to do.

I posted a planned plot outline for a Palpatine-free version on the previous page. You might want to look at that.

First of all, to shift the story like you want, you need dialogue that doesn’t exist.

I was planning to use the opening crawl to change the story, like with many edits of TPM.

Secondly, without Palpatine, there’s no real climax. You didn’t explain how you’d handle Rey and Ben on Exegol, I think what you’re implying is they aren’t there at all. But you can’t rest everything on the ground and space battle, there’s really no meat to either, and they’re basically just a backdrop for what really matters, Rey and Ben vs. Palpatine.

I disagree. I feel like the “people’s fleet” moment is a great climax to the theme of the trilogy, which is that anyone can be a hero. The climax shouldn’t be Palpatine and Skywalker vs Palpatine.

I don’t know how you could erase Rey from the climax of the film and not have it feel like there was a lot missing. Maybe if you wanted to do a really short epilogue movie it could work, I don’t know. It’s an interesting idea but there isn’t a lot to work with.

Yeah, it would be short. But maybe it should be a short epilogue, since TLJ wrapped up most of the trilogy’s plot threads.

My preferred saga experience:
TPM/AOTC/ROTS (Hal 9000 edits), ANH/ESB/ROTJ (Despecialized), The Mandalorian.
May the midichlorians be with you.

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sade1212 said:

Is it possible to imply Leia has been in poor health since her spacewalk in TLJ? Add coughing in both movies, maybe dub in a line of some Resistance member with their back to the camera suggesting she will never fully recover, even put a single word in the crawl or something. Her death already comes out of nowhere but cutting the Maz scene (essential to do, I hate it) would make that even worse.

I think adding something in the crawl would help a lot. It would explain her diminished role and hopefully make her scenes stand out slightly less.

I would remove that Rey is trying to commune with the Jedi, and cut out the “Be with Me” portion of the training. I feel it’s actually more powerful just being heard at the end, as if in that moment she innately calls upon them.

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PT: Hal9000
4/5: Adywan
6: NSP
7/8: Hal9000

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I remember this site getting early info on the cue list for TFA so they are credible. Also this was recorded for a longer edit of the film on November 11 which means a lot of the deleted scenes are in a finished condition.

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snooker said:

Here’s the cue list for Rise of Skywalker, apparently:

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/31290-jwfan-exclusive-the-rise-of-skywalker-partial-cue-list-revealed/

The order of scenes at the start went (roughly) Rey Training -> Mustafar (Vader’s Castle?) -> Rey Training -> Getting the message from the spy. The names also hint at scenes that were cut at some point.

Yes, I’ve been digging through this. The order for a lot of things is very different, and might give editors some ideas for rearrangement. For example, the cue titled “Father Knows Best” and its placement would seem to imply the Kylo and Han moment came much later, similar to what someone here (can’t remember who) was considering doing.

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idir_hh said:

I remember this site getting early info on the cue list for TFA so they are credible. Also this was recorded for a longer edit of the film on November 11 which means a lot of the deleted scenes are in a finished condition.

We can certainly hope so.

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I just want to work out the logistics in my head of moving the Ben/Han scene.

This is the sequence of events in the film, from what I recall:

  • Rey leaves Ben and takes his TIE
  • The Falcon returns to the base
  • Kylo and Han
  • Palpatine and Pryde/Destruction of Kijimi
  • Resistance hears broadcast
  • Poe speaks to Leia/Lando
  • Poe speaks to Finn
  • Rey on Ahch-to
  • Transmission from Red 5

According to the music cues, basically the film originally followed the same trajectory, except Rey on Ahch-to was split into two sequences, and Han and Ben were in between.

For me, the only reason to do this is so that you can have Leia’s body disappear when Ben tosses his saber, rather than when he dies. First of all because it implies Leia sent Ben the memory of Han, and second because, if you think about it, the suggestion in the film is that Leia isn’t at rest until her son is dead. That’s dumb. Moreover, my guess is this was how it was originally conceived, as Leia’s body disappears at night, but the Resistance leaves during the day and comes back during the day too. The other reason in support is that you better organize the turn from “things are bad” to “things are looking up.”

But here’s the problem. The Palpatine/Pryde scene (which needs to come before the next few Resistance scenes) doesn’t work unless Kylo has turned good. You could make the argument that Palpatine’s statement is vague enough, and Kylo’s out of commission enough, that it still works. But it’d be weird. The other issue, is Rey’s scenes on Ahch-to are so brief that you can’t split them up without it feeling weird as well. I suspect all of these moments were reshot to fit the new structure (we know Rey and Luke was reshot, it’s an easy guess that Palpatine and Pryde was reshot, or perhaps just some line changes in ADR).

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Would it do to just insert Leia disappearing after Ben tosses his saber? That might fit in nicely with the next line being about how “the Princess of Alderaan messed up my plan.”

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Hal 9000 said:

Would it do to just insert Leia disappearing after Ben tosses his saber? That might fit in nicely with the next line being about how “the Princess of Alderaan messed up my plan.”

The problem with that is the later scene where Poe speaks to her dead body.

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Oh, right. Damn.

Her not being at peace until Ben dies just makes it seem like she was intentionally trying to distract him so Rey could kill him.

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Hal 9000 said:

Oh, right. Damn.

Her not being at peace until Ben dies just makes it seem like she was intentionally trying to distract him so Rey could kill him.

That, plus Luke says Leia has a vision that her son will die, so she stops training. But her son still ends up dead. I feel like they really didn’t think this aspect of the film through that much, or at the least the last minute changes they did messed with how it came across.

I’m not really sure how to untie this knot, honestly. Really the simplest solution is just to leave it as is.

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That line could be changed to leia sensing the birth of her son instead of his death.

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Wouldn’t it be simpler to just remove Leia’s Jedi backstory altogether? What does it really contribute to the plot besides a lightsaber that could’ve been anyone else’s?

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Well it explains her training Rey at least.

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It also explains why Leia didn’t complete her training I guess.

I would like to make this change too, though. One of the more difficult solutions would be to use vfx to make her bed empty.

I wonder if the Poe/Lando scene could be altered to make it where Poe is just grappling with his newfound leadership rather than the news about the new planetkilling Star Destroyers. So you could put that scene before the Kylo and Han scene.

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God, the Oracle looks so cool and creepy.

I REALLY hope we could at least get that deleted scene. A bonus is that we could also replace the Oracle’s lines if we wanted to get some type of exposition or motivation across in a fan edit.

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https://i.imgur.com/xIXynPd.jpg
This could be a direct screenshot from the deleted oracle sequence with Vader’s castle looming in the distance. It was reported by MSW and Bespin-Bulletin that they shot extensively at a lake/swamp in Black Park.

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Oh yeah you might be right. At first I thought it was just realistic art but it does in fact look like a screen shot.

The style of Mustafar is just so strange. It looks nothing like Mustafar as we knew it, and I’m assuming there was no explanation in the film regarding it. Because it is never explained I wonder if it would be better to make the Oracle planet and Mustafar two separate planets. Maybe the Oracle mentions something about them being on Mustafar, who knows.

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For what its worth, the story behind Mustafar’s transformation is told in the Vader Immortal VR series.

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I know, but I bet a very small percent of the general audience has even played the VR series, you know? Most people will not know that is even Mustafar unless they go to an outside source.

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Maybe it’s mentioned by Hux and Pryde in the deleted opening scene.