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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread - * SPOILERS * — Page 12

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Batfinkskinner said:

OK, when I watched a trailer for TROS, before I went to see it, I was practically dancing when I saw a scene where Vader is talking to Kylo and calls him Ben before a brief glimpse of what looked like Kylo striking Vader down.

Anybody else see the Vader moment in the trailers?

Uh…nope. Got a link? That sounds like a fan made trailer to me.

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poppasketti said:

Another option, as many have said, is to plant the seed at the end of TLJ. One thought I had is that so much is made of the Resistance sending out a signal for help, and no one answering. It’s reinforced again in TROS. What if they did get an answer, from Palpatine? The radio crackles, and maybe we just hear his iconic laugh. Just a tease at the end to build up anticipation for TROS.

I know I’m late to this convo but that sounds incredible.

The one thing I wished we saw more of was a connection between TLJ and TROS. Bridging those two films together would have helped things immensely.

I wish there was some way to go as far as Rey’s parental reveal happening in TLJ, but I don’t know how it would work.

“The Ziggy Edit” — A Conceptual Fanedit of Return of the Jedi

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844

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There is a pretty good full shot of the throne towards the end of the film. Any VFX wizards here think it’d be possible to add dark Rey sitting on it as part of a vision? And along those lines, anyone know how to replicate the vision effects from ROTS?

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Using the vision effect from ROTS has been bothering me. The only vision we got in the OT was the darkside cave, and yet that trippy, genuinely disturbing low-framerate effect has never been replicated in either the PT or the ST. I wonder what Rey’s vision in TFA would look like with that effect?

Maybe for future visions there could be a combination of ROTS vision halo and ESB vision framerate.

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NeverarGreat said:

Using the vision effect from ROTS has been bothering me. The only vision we got in the OT was the darkside cave, and yet that trippy, genuinely disturbing low-framerate effect has never been replicated in either the PT or the ST. I wonder what Rey’s vision in TFA would look like with that effect?

Maybe for future visions there could be a combination of ROTS vision halo and ESB vision framerate.

I had always taken it as two separate kind of visions. Anakin’s is a flashforward, Luke’s is not, he’s there interacting with it. Going off that, I’d think Rey’s cave experience should echo Luke’s, but Rey’s saber vision is a weird in-between, where it’s a flashback and a flashforward and she’s there experiencing it like Luke. Perhaps a mix. I think having that slow motion effect might be too trippy for the entirety of Rey’s saber vision (which is pretty chaotic), but maybe for specific moments.

I’ve been trying to figure out how to replicate the ROTS look for awhile, but the liquidy cloud effect is very tricky. I could take it or leave it for the TFA vision, but in my idea for TROS, where I’m emphasizing her vision of herself on the throne, the ROTS effect seems kinda necessary (as it’s essentially a parallel of that plot).

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Do you mean the dream you’re adding to TFA: Starlight?

Another vision template we sort of got from TROS was the quick flashes Rey and Kylo shared when he touched Vader’s helmet. I’m thinking if I, or others, were to give Kylo another dark side vision when he prays to Vader’s helmet in TFA, it could follow that ‘quick flash’ format.

I think it would be appropriate if Rey’s vision of Sith Rey has the slow frame rate like the Dagobah cave.

I do think Force-related stuff should play fast and loose with “how it works”, but it would be interesting if Force visions followed a certain format throughout the saga.

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ziggyonice said:

poppasketti said:

Another option, as many have said, is to plant the seed at the end of TLJ. One thought I had is that so much is made of the Resistance sending out a signal for help, and no one answering. It’s reinforced again in TROS. What if they did get an answer, from Palpatine? The radio crackles, and maybe we just hear his iconic laugh. Just a tease at the end to build up anticipation for TROS.

I know I’m late to this convo but that sounds incredible.

The one thing I wished we saw more of was a connection between TLJ and TROS. Bridging those two films together would have helped things immensely.

I wish there was some way to go as far as Rey’s parental reveal happening in TLJ, but I don’t know how it would work.

Why not have a mention in the opening crawl that Luke’s actions on Crait has ignited a spark of hope throughout the galaxy? Or have a mention that many of the ships were inspired by Luke’s actions to help Lando and the Resistance in the final battle against Darth Sidious’ forces?

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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For the final showdown between Rey and Palpatine I kinda wanted more than the flashy overpowered lightning explosion we got.

I think if you change it so that earlier in the film Palpatine asks Kylo to bring Rey to him (under the pretence that Kylo and Rey will take the throne together), but then his plan goes wrong as Kylo turns good, so Rey then shows up alone. Really Palpatine wants to drain them both because he doesn’t have any intention of putting someone else in charge but needs to hear his body.

When Rey arrives she could be there with the intention of attacking him but he says about taking over her body if he is struck down in anger as his way of buying time for Ben to show up.

The main issue would be if Palpatine wants Ben there why would the Knights of Ren attack Ben in the first place?

I just think it makes Palpatine more threatening, more prepared, and would avoid him swapping back and forth and spending so long talking about family.

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Although I was Co fused 😉, I definitely saw the Vader thing. I’ll see if I can find it.

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idir_hh said:

This is the Fan-film you are looking for https://youtu.be/owrmLeX20CY

Yup 😔 my bad. It was a split second splicing of the forces of darkness added to one of the official trailers. Don’t normally get duped by fan trailers. Sorry guys. On the bright side I still think a Kylo vs Vader moment similar to the Dagobah cave in ESB would be a neat addition to TLJ or ROS.

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One obvious change across the whole nine part saga would be to not name the children in part 3 so Rey could be The Other kept on ice and placed on Jakku by the Church of the Force to make another Anakin. So their Palpatine clone could turn either Ben Solo or Rey Skywalker to the dark and fight the other. Surely a church of the Force would need the dark and the light. In a world with a Jedi Master like Luke they would need a sudo Palpatine. Snoke can just be edited away. That way Leia is never Luke’s sister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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After learning Palpatine was still alive and manipulating things like he had before, I felt it was a mistake for them to not double down on Rey Nobody. Imagine after all of Palpatine’s planning and machinations, that a total anonymous girl would come in and bring it all crashing down. Palpatine was using Ben Solo as a pawn, just like his grandfather, and someone he could have never predicted showed Ben he actually wasn’t alone.

Luke and Leia knowing who she was, but not telling her, raises so many questions. Are Luke and Leia any better than Ben Kenobi and Yoda manipulating Luke and not telling him the truth about his father? How are they any better than Palpatine, who manipulated a Skywalker to accomplish his goals? Leia had plenty of opportunities to tell Rey, but she didn’t.

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RogueLeader said:

I think the crawl does not need to mention Palpatine by name at all. Because it makes the reveal not surprising whatsoever. I think it could go something like this:

After Luke’s heroic stand against the First Order, hope began returning to the galaxy and the First Order has expended a lot of resources trying to maintain fear and quell the growing resistance.

Something something about the Resistance.

As the First Order becomes desperate to find a solution to their growing problem, Kylo Ren uses one of Snoke’s old artifacts to find the source of his mysterious power.

I think a crawl in the vein of this could help justify where all of those ships came from at the end.

STAR WARS

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

The galaxy’s fate hangs in the balance.
Luke Skywalker’s heroic stand on Crait
has inspired countless worlds to stand
up for freedom and push back against
the tyrannical First Order.

To keep the Jedi alive in the wake of
Luke’s sacrifice, young Rey is trying
to contact the spirits of past masters
as she continues her training under
the guidance of General Leia Organa.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren
is seeking clues to the mysterious power
of his former master Snoke so he can
turn the tide of war and erase the
echos of the past once and for all…

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Dr. Krogshöj said:

RogueLeader said:

I think the crawl does not need to mention Palpatine by name at all. Because it makes the reveal not surprising whatsoever. I think it could go something like this:

After Luke’s heroic stand against the First Order, hope began returning to the galaxy and the First Order has expended a lot of resources trying to maintain fear and quell the growing resistance.

Something something about the Resistance.

As the First Order becomes desperate to find a solution to their growing problem, Kylo Ren uses one of Snoke’s old artifacts to find the source of his mysterious power.

I think a crawl in the vein of this could help justify where all of those ships came from at the end.

STAR WARS

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

The galaxy’s fate hangs in the balance.
Luke Skywalker’s heroic stand on Crait
has inspired countless worlds to stand
up for freedom and push back against
the tyrannical First Order.

To keep the Jedi alive in the wake of
Luke’s sacrifice, young Rey is trying
to contact the spirits of past masters
as she continues her training under
the guidance of General Leia Organa.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren
is seeking clues to the mysterious power
of his former master Snoke so he can
turn the tide of war and erase the
echos of the past once and for all…

This is beautiful! I love it.

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Dr. Krogshöj said:

STAR WARS

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

The galaxy’s fate hangs in the balance.
Luke Skywalker’s heroic stand on Crait
has inspired countless worlds to stand
up for freedom and push back against
the tyrannical First Order.

To keep the Jedi alive in the wake of
Luke’s sacrifice, young Rey is trying
to contact the spirits of past masters
as she continues her training under
the guidance of General Leia Organa.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren
is seeking clues to the mysterious power
of his former master Snoke so he can
turn the tide of war and erase the
echos of the past once and for all…

Here’s my take, a little less wordy but trying to make the same point as yours.

STAR WARS

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

Luke Skywalker’s heroic
act has inspired countless
worlds to stand up against
the diabolical FIRST ORDER.

REY, under the guidance of
General Leia Organa, continues
her Jedi training, hoping to
find a way to communicate
with Jedi of the past.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader
KYLO REN seeks the mysterious
power of his former master,
determined to end the war and
silence the echos of the past…

The Skywalker Saga Viewing Order:
I: C.O.D. | II: T.A.S. | III: L.O.E.
IV: Revisited | V: Revisited | VI: Revisited
VII: Restructured | VIII: Rekindled | IX: Ascendant

This is the way.

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And maybe instead of “erase the echoes of the past” it could be “silence the echoes of the past”.

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While I like the idea of Luke’s final moments actually accomplishing something, the idea that he’s an inspiration to everyone because of Crait never made sense to me. He’s inspiring like a dozen remaining members of the Resistance that are already die hard fighters and believers in the Jedi, they barely see him in action from a mile away, as far as they know he got killed by Kylo Ren, and he didn’t actually train Rey at all. Where is the inspiration coming from?

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Vladius said:

While I like the idea of Luke’s final moments actually accomplishing something, the idea that he’s an inspiration to everyone because of Crait never made sense to me. He’s inspiring like a dozen remaining members of the Resistance that are already die hard fighters and believers in the Jedi, they barely see him in action from a mile away, as far as they know he got killed by Kylo Ren, and he didn’t actually train Rey at all. Where is the inspiration coming from?

A symbol of hope arriving to confront the bad guys and to allow our heroes that were on the verge of defeat to escape.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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I wouldn’t say they were on the verge of defeat so much as they were already defeated. They took 99+% casualties and the rest of them could fit comfortably on the Millennium Falcon. Rise of Skywalker effectively ignores this and fills out their numbers without explanation, presumably with new recruits. But would a secondhand story about Luke really do all that much for the propaganda effort?

What makes him a symbol of hope? He came way too late, he didn’t even let them know that he was letting them escape, and they’re all going to think that he lost (which he kind of did because he died.) The reason Leia was seeking him out in TFA is so he could train new Jedi; that was the reason both sides were after him and the reason he would inspire hope. That never happened.

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I like to think the First Order Stormtroopers were the ones who leaked the story.

Consider the following. The Supreme Leader is dead and Kylo is the new boss. All eyes are on him in the first battle - it will determine how the troopers view him behind his back.

And what does Ren do? He makes an absolute fool of himself in front of his entire army. Maybe he can fight, but now everyone knows he’s a terrible tactician, not noticing the obvious signs that Luke wasn’t really there.

Perhaps a couple companies were inspired and deserted shortly after, like shown in TROS, and explained the story to the galaxy at large.

Maul- A Star Wars Story

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It is also more about the story than the reality, and that story spread.

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Vladius said:

I wouldn’t say they were on the verge of defeat so much as they were already defeated. They took 99+% casualties and the rest of them could fit comfortably on the Millennium Falcon. Rise of Skywalker effectively ignores this and fills out their numbers without explanation, presumably with new recruits. But would a secondhand story about Luke really do all that much for the propaganda effort?

What makes him a symbol of hope? He came way too late, he didn’t even let them know that he was letting them escape, and they’re all going to think that he lost (which he kind of did because he died.) The reason Leia was seeking him out in TFA is so he could train new Jedi; that was the reason both sides were after him and the reason he would inspire hope. That never happened.

Immediately refuted by the opening crawl of The Last Jedi mentioning this: “Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

Vladius said:

I wouldn’t say they were on the verge of defeat so much as they were already defeated. They took 99+% casualties and the rest of them could fit comfortably on the Millennium Falcon. Rise of Skywalker effectively ignores this and fills out their numbers without explanation, presumably with new recruits. But would a secondhand story about Luke really do all that much for the propaganda effort?

What makes him a symbol of hope? He came way too late, he didn’t even let them know that he was letting them escape, and they’re all going to think that he lost (which he kind of did because he died.) The reason Leia was seeking him out in TFA is so he could train new Jedi; that was the reason both sides were after him and the reason he would inspire hope. That never happened.

Immediately refuted by the opening crawl of The Last Jedi mentioning this: “Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.

That’s not refuting it at all. Snoke wants him dead because when they find Skywalker “the new Jedi will rise.” When Lor San Tekka gives Poe the map he clearly refers to the purpose of it as being the return (heh) of the Jedi, “without the Jedi there can be no balance in the Force.” They send Rey to be the one to find him at the end because she’s clearly the best candidate for a new student.

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In my Rey Nobody concept, we need to believe that Palpatine ‘wanted Rey dead’ because he saw her future. Part of my way of accomplishing this will be to make Rey have a clearer vision of herself on the throne, but I just had the thought that it’d also be cool to have a Palpatine voice over during this: “I’ve seen your future. I know your power will be too strong to control.”

I also really like the idea of Rey following up “I’m all the Sith” with “I’m no one.” There’s a shot where she grabs the other saber and we don’t see her face, so you could potentially have her say “I’m no one… and I’m all the Jedi.”