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I am hoping That this can somehow get made but I am sort of the opinion it should be a bit shorter taking into account deleting any reshoots…

This is my opinion however and I personally think trying to add extraneous material apart from some small snippets here and there which is a given.

My Opinion is “it’s all there bar a few small things…” Keep it simple is my motto and it will happen. And with Logic applied the answers come naturally.

The best approach is a “Lost Cut” Black and white

Colorized “Workprint” All music and sound effects restored and in proper chronological order any Reshoots deleted. Shorter and Tighter Version.

The Colorized workprint is more my Gander.

I have done the Audio for the Landspeeder Search and attack of the Sand People already…

Star Wars Snobbery and Robbery?

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Slavicuss said:

I doubt the “LOST CUT” will ever get an official release. A version produced by STAR WARS fans would be great.

It’ll never be 100% accurate but there is enough deleted/alternate material out there to construct a rough approximation.

That is exactly my hope with this edit. It’s a shame that more has not yet been provided, but at the same time, I’m pretty grateful for what we have and what we can do with it.

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Ronster said:

Ok I did it! (What little hair I have left disappeared with Lightworks Suite and it’s audio bugs! anyway I had to render it in Movie Maker as it was the only program that I have that could read 2 audio files in the same manner as Video audio and a Wav exactly the same to switch between…)

https://vimeo.com/250641294

I will talk you through the process and decisions.

I did a rough color correction on it. The most notable are the first shot inside the Death Star Command with Tarkin in front of the viewscreen. Second is the Death Star Firing Cone. They Both had Hue alterations done on it as they were out on Hue and the Death Star Laser Core was made Yellow on the cone.

The Audio was re-done from the part from “Dantooine is too small to be an effective demonstration” That is I think is where it was cut?

The explosion was restored using the Bluescreen shot And Mike Verta’s Vimeo Clip as I needed to see what was going on to line up the Blue Screen shot properly. I slowed it down quite a bit so this does not rule out Leia’s Line at all. I will send you the clip stand alone if you would like which runs a bit faster. Slowed to 87% the explosion…

I Guessed that the Explosion Dissolved into the Falcon shot. Because the music seems to suggest that but this is my interpretation. And I don’t like to fight against John WIlliams he Rules so you must fit with him as the Video shows. I felt anymore Dialogue after the explosion would be anti climactic. You could just as easily hard cut it also.

The main Take away is the music rather than special effects.

Do you like it?

Something else I have noticed is that see Tarkin mouth the same lines twice from a different angle. I would imagine that after “Name the System” should be cropped to remove Tarkins Mouth.

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Ok realised I messed up the sound effects for the Death Star firing I will fix this and re-up so at least if someone wants to use the audio then they can… So I will do a version 2 and polish it off.
Sorry about that!

Also this whole repeated shot of Tarkin has me thinking it was a cover shot for showing the view screen changing to show Alderaan. i.e. Alderaan was not on there until after he says “Home planet of Alderaan” then the screen changes from a graphic to video (also in Radio Drama) the dialogue is then moved a bit later and only shows one take but also We need not see in video Alderaan until this point as Motti says “We have reached the Alderaaan system” If Tarkin could see Alderaan out the window why did he need someone to tell him they were there???

So that is very important. Doing that second shot in the clip I posted is beyond me I think but I could do the Alderaan Reveal and move the dialogue later that is easy enough.

So to properly get it right the half moon Alderaan on the second shot out the view screen needs to be replaced with something other than Alderaan and some sort of graphic. (This would not be the Lost cut but the lost bit of Overbridge control Room 😃 )

If someone wants to have a go at the second shot I will do the transition shot otherwise leave it as open…

Also not taking away from Darth Enders project at all.

I Think Andrea should join in also (Hint!)

I may not be able to cut it in the manner you suggest, but I do enjoy your desire to sync the visual with John Williams’ music. I don’t know that we always have the material to make it happen, though. My primary goal is to include as much deleted material as possible, so at times, he may have scored the scenes after portions were cut. In other words, I will probably have to alter his score to match the visual in many cases rather than the other way around. Not to discourage you, as I love your work, and there may be times where we can bring your vision to life or even find a way to make both work!

I enjoy your video, BTW. Well done!

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benduwan said:

do you have start with this?
is it possible to make 2 versions of this?
your b&w and a colorized?
thanks

Admittedly, I am starting with a rough cut that is already black and white. I would have to re-edit it, and some of TM2YC’s effects were only done in black and white. I have a copy of your extended cut, and think you could use that as a base to make a similar cut to mine. 😃

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Ronster said:

I am hoping That this can somehow get made but I am sort of the opinion it should be a bit shorter taking into account deleting any reshoots…

This is my opinion however and I personally think trying to add extraneous material apart from some small snippets here and there which is a given.

My Opinion is “it’s all there bar a few small things…” Keep it simple is my motto and it will happen. And with Logic applied the answers come naturally.

The best approach is a “Lost Cut” Black and white

Colorized “Workprint” All music and sound effects restored and in proper chronological order any Reshoots deleted. Shorter and Tighter Version.

The Colorized workprint is more my Gander.

I have done the Audio for the Landspeeder Search and attack of the Sand People already…

Star Wars Snobbery and Robbery?

Chronological order is among my primary objectives here. Correcting the Battle of Yavin has been a very challenging exercise so far; perhaps too much of a challenge to begin sharpening my editing skills with the roughest part of the movie to edit.

Part of the need for black and white/degraded is because of the poor quality of so much of the deleted material. It’s far easier to downgrade the whole movie rather than upgrade the deleted material. The Lost Cut idea justifies the low quality and makes for an interesting experience.

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I know I’ve posted several posts in sequence, so I apologize, but I don’t want anyone to think I’ve already fizzled out on this project simply because I haven’t posted consistently. I’m just busy, but I’m usually making a little progress every day.

I’m nearly there with the Battle of Yavin from a visual standpoint. The audio will be the bigger nightmare, trying to isolate all the lines as much as possible, reintroduce them, and cover the imperfect isolation with the re-added score. I will post the visual Battle of Yavin when I am done.

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darth_ender said:

Ronster said:

Ok I did it! (What little hair I have left disappeared with Lightworks Suite and it’s audio bugs! anyway I had to render it in Movie Maker as it was the only program that I have that could read 2 audio files in the same manner as Video audio and a Wav exactly the same to switch between…)

https://vimeo.com/250641294

I will talk you through the process and decisions.

I did a rough color correction on it. The most notable are the first shot inside the Death Star Command with Tarkin in front of the viewscreen. Second is the Death Star Firing Cone. They Both had Hue alterations done on it as they were out on Hue and the Death Star Laser Core was made Yellow on the cone.

The Audio was re-done from the part from “Dantooine is too small to be an effective demonstration” That is I think is where it was cut?

The explosion was restored using the Bluescreen shot And Mike Verta’s Vimeo Clip as I needed to see what was going on to line up the Blue Screen shot properly. I slowed it down quite a bit so this does not rule out Leia’s Line at all. I will send you the clip stand alone if you would like which runs a bit faster. Slowed to 87% the explosion…

I Guessed that the Explosion Dissolved into the Falcon shot. Because the music seems to suggest that but this is my interpretation. And I don’t like to fight against John WIlliams he Rules so you must fit with him as the Video shows. I felt anymore Dialogue after the explosion would be anti climactic. You could just as easily hard cut it also.

The main Take away is the music rather than special effects.

Do you like it?

Something else I have noticed is that see Tarkin mouth the same lines twice from a different angle. I would imagine that after “Name the System” should be cropped to remove Tarkins Mouth.

EDIT

Ok realised I messed up the sound effects for the Death Star firing I will fix this and re-up so at least if someone wants to use the audio then they can… So I will do a version 2 and polish it off.
Sorry about that!

Also this whole repeated shot of Tarkin has me thinking it was a cover shot for showing the view screen changing to show Alderaan. i.e. Alderaan was not on there until after he says “Home planet of Alderaan” then the screen changes from a graphic to video (also in Radio Drama) the dialogue is then moved a bit later and only shows one take but also We need not see in video Alderaan until this point as Motti says “We have reached the Alderaaan system” If Tarkin could see Alderaan out the window why did he need someone to tell him they were there???

So that is very important. Doing that second shot in the clip I posted is beyond me I think but I could do the Alderaan Reveal and move the dialogue later that is easy enough.

So to properly get it right the half moon Alderaan on the second shot out the view screen needs to be replaced with something other than Alderaan and some sort of graphic. (This would not be the Lost cut but the lost bit of Overbridge control Room 😃 )

If someone wants to have a go at the second shot I will do the transition shot otherwise leave it as open…

Also not taking away from Darth Enders project at all.

I Think Andrea should join in also (Hint!)

I may not be able to cut it in the manner you suggest, but I do enjoy your desire to sync the visual with John Williams’ music. I don’t know that we always have the material to make it happen, though. My primary goal is to include as much deleted material as possible, so at times, he may have scored the scenes after portions were cut. In other words, I will probably have to alter his score to match the visual in many cases rather than the other way around. Not to discourage you, as I love your work, and there may be times where we can bring your vision to life or even find a way to make both work!

I enjoy your video, BTW. Well done!

That planet is Yavin IV out the viewscreen so if you replace that shot you get +4.5 seconds when it is actually meant to be shown!

So the matte out the view screen will need fixing a bit but I have a feeling it replaces Tarkin in Pondering thought which is repeated twice. so it might end up + 2 seconds or something. Or it might not? Check the Shadow on the PLanet Vs the Rebel Countdown Clock. And you will see where it goes.

See how it works now?

John Willliams wrote the music on star wars to available material pretty much. There is very little leftover music unlike Empire Strikes Back. It’s all small stuff.

I also thought I should let you know the original shot of the Falcon leaving the Death Star from Theatrical cut (Trench Run Shot Replaced in Special Edition)… Goes straight after the Falcon Leaves the Death Star Hanger.

Small stuff really.

But the Methodology is Clear that when you have repeated shots you know something is up! So it’s showing it’s flaws in broad daylight regurgitating material to fill gaps which might have something else there or It simply needs to be tightened to stop the regurgitation. Quality over quantity otherwise you may as well just extend the film with this methodology of repeating shots again and again… and again 😃

So the regurgitation Pattern is there to be explored… So I have given you so far about +15 seconds not bad I’d say.

The Death Star Chasm Matte looking Down (Luke and Leia) is missing do you have a picture or reference for it? It could be the Matte Painting they used for the Emperors Death scene in ROTJ?

Seems it is…

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F0a%2F06%2F8b%2F0a068bb17b80548f789cce9a68299793.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffi.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F356769601700739190%2F&docid=F4cPFt1C9KIwcM&tbnid=pzMISenQHflaUM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiUpr62rdrYAhXLI8AKHdddBEIQMwhDKAQwBA..i&w=1280&h=784&itg=1&bih=898&biw=1106&q=death star shaft mcquarrie&ved=0ahUKEwiUpr62rdrYAhXLI8AKHdddBEIQMwhDKAQwBA&iact=mrc&uact=8

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no updates for a long time…
how this come along?
thanks for you effort.

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Guess it’s a “Lost Cut Curse”. Anybody who started one has fizzled out on it.

Somebody who likes Star Wars.

My best to worst Star Wars movies: 546739128

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There is indeed a curse regarding this cut. I lack the talent and the time to ever make anything like this reality, though I can dream! I can offer suggestions, but someone else will have to complete this, hopefully with a vision similar to mine. What I intend to do is finish up a low-quality version of this that I have nearly finished, then call it quits. I have too little time in life for this, lack decent software, and lack the skills. But if it can simply be somewhat enjoyable and a model for others interested in patterning work after, then I will be pleased. I hate to set deadlines on these things because I will likely miss any such timelines, but I hope I can simply finish up my work on this, post it for others to appreciate and perfect, and be done with it. Watch this space. I believe I can get this done fairly soon!