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Star Wars: The Bad Batch (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * SPOILERS * — Page 9

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So, Omega in Book of Boba?

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idir_hh said:

So, Omega in Book of Boba?

I can see it. Lucasfilm seem to have planned out their upcoming projects and are connecting them well.

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They’d have to put Daniel Logan in a wig for live action Omega. =P

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Did anyone else think the setting for this episode looked a lot like the ship from Close Encounters of the Third Kind? The body in the tube looked almost exactly like one of the aliens from that movie, too. I know they were the inspiration for the Kaminoans’ design, but this seemed to take it a step further.

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The abandoned cloning facility has become of my favorite BB locations so far, not only because of its creepy atmosphere but also by expanding on the lore of the Kaminoans. Could it have been a place for some of their more bioethically-questionable experiments? The sight of the Kaminoan clones/mutants is pure nightmare fuel (I second the allusion to Close Encounters). Also I can’t help but notice the similarity between the Kaminoan growing vats and those on Exegol. Maybe Palpatine, despite having no more use for a clone army, still required the Kaminoan facilities and assets for his greater-scope contingency plan.

Though I crave for more Batch development (particularly for Echo and Tech), I really liked how they took a backseat and let Omega be the star for this one. She was smart and resourceful, having come a long way from her beginnings, and they did a good job tackling her inner fears of being no more than a Kaminoan pet project.

Nice small wink to the Legends fans with Boba’s original codename being “Alpha”. This looks as further evidence he may cross paths with his “sister” at some point in the future (“Alpha” and “Omega”, anyone?).

On the topic of Boba, so did anyone notice the metal plate on the back of Cad Bane’s head? Could it mean his standoff with Boba already happened? 😦

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Poor Bane’s getting old and slow.

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Knight of Kalee said:

On the topic of Boba, so did anyone notice the metal plate on the back of Cad Bane’s head? Could it mean his standoff with Boba already happened? 😦

This was shown in concept art from the starwars.com episode guide to last week, so I’d already seen a few videos on it. Lucasfilm story group/writers seem to be treating that unfinished scene as canon - although I don’t know if Cad Bane was always meant to survive it.

Having such damage to his brain could explain why he wasn’t performing well in his fight against Fennec. She was able to outmanoeuvre him despite being younger and less experienced; although we could also put this down to his forte being blaster shootouts and hers being martial arts.

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For sure one of the stronger episodes. Great location and depth of story. I’m really digging Omega’s character growth. She’s still innocent and learning, even when she’s being resourceful. Also nice to have a large part of her escaping being facilitated by the two bounty hunters having to fight each other to the point of distraction.

This has been the case all along, but maybe even more this week; the animation is amazing. The lighting and atmosphere on the derelict facility was my favorite of the series so far.

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We also now have the only moral Kaminoan.

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It’s interesting how this episode expanded (to my knowledge anyway) how exactly Boba is a clone of Jango. I always took the “no accelerated aging” line from AOTC quite literally, assuming he was the exact same as the other clones just slow-growing, but now it seems that Boba and Omega are basically test-tube offspring with a single genetic ‘parent’. So basically their more akin to real-life cloning while the “regs” are carbon copies of Jango.

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ZkinandBonez said:

It’s interesting how this episode expanded (to my knowledge anyway) how exactly Boba is a clone of Jango. I always took the “no accelerated aging” line from AOTC quite literally, assuming he was the exact same as the other clones just slow-growing, but now it seems that Boba and Omega are basically test-tube offspring with a single genetic ‘parent’. So basically their more akin to real-life cloning while the “regs” are carbon copies of Jango.

Actually you weren’t that far in the first place. Basically all the Fett clones share the same principle (test-tube offspring with the surrogate matrix being a machine rather than a living being), with the difference that regs were also further modified to be more obedient and downplay Jango’s aggresive tendencies. Boba and Omega (possibly excluding whatever mutation made Omega biologically female), are the genetically closest to Jango due to not having other modifications to their genotype and therefore the closest to being his actual “children”.

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We also now have the only moral Kaminoan.

If you’re referring to Nala Se I’d say she stands on a fairly grey moral ground after what she did in TCW.

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I wonder if the Kaminoans made Omega to make sure they always had some fresh Fett DNA on hand whilst they were making Alpha. I think they said Jango only wanted a single clone.

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Artan42 said:

I wonder if the Kaminoans made Omega to make sure they always had some fresh Fett DNA on hand whilst they were making Alpha.

I think this is it, yeah. And now they need her DNA to make a new clone army of their own.

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Nothing much to discuss about that episode. Another very standalone one and a change of pace. Needed more character development or conflict I think, but I still really enjoyed it and loved seeing the Empire use iconography of the Republic - like V-wings and AT-TEs, as well as of course clone troopers. Makes me wonder if we’ll see one of those repainted venators this series. I really hope so.

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jedi_bendu said:

Nothing much to discuss about that episode. Another very standalone one and a change of pace. Needed more character development or conflict I think, but I still really enjoyed it and loved seeing the Empire use iconography of the Republic - like V-wings and AT-TEs, as well as of course clone troopers. Makes me wonder if we’ll see one of those repainted venators this series. I really hope so.

Yeah, I was intrigued by Echo’s initial unwillingness to the notion of helping Separatists but in the end it didn’t amount to much.

On the other hand I really liked to see Raxus again and was glad that they addressed what happened with the former Separatists. Omega’s interactions with Cid and her natural talent for tactics and dejarik was also a highlight for me.

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I guess they heard the complaints that The Bad Batch had too many cameos of characters from other shows, and decided to just give us a Rebels episode where the Bad Batch themselves are the ones making the cameo.
I’m not even complaining, I really liked this episode.

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I think this episode is another great example of how cameos can work well for both fans of the other series and for people who are new to the cartoons. I really enjoyed seeing Cham, Hera and Chopper again, but it was so well written and relevant to the themes of this series that I don’t think this episode would feel to off to someone who’s not seen TCW or Rebels. That is, apart from the obvious absence of Batch for most of the episode, however I won’t mind if this series decides to take a TCW-esque approach to future episodes where the main characters can take a step back to let other interesting characters shine. And I also think making Crosshair the main focus, as far as the Bad Batch characters are conerned at least, was really clever.

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ZkinandBonez said:

I think this episode is another great example of how cameos can work well for both fans of the other series and for people who are new to the cartoons. I really enjoyed seeing Cham, Hera and Chopper again, but it was so well written and relevant to the themes of this series that I don’t think this episode would feel to off to someone who’s not seen TCW or Rebels. That is, apart from the obvious absence of Batch for most of the episode, however I won’t mind if this series decides to take a TCW-esque approach to future episodes where the main characters can take a step back to let other interesting characters shine. And I also think making Crosshair the main focus, as far as the Bad Batch characters are conerned at least, was really clever.

I’m agreed with this. And I loved seeing Hera again. Worked far better than the Kanan cameo at the beginning of the season imo.

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The first thing we agreed with my family was: “This was kind of filler, but great filler”. Then I thought this isn’t exactly filler and got the exact same idea of having a couple of episodes without the main Bad Batch at the forefront of the story. They leaned this way with the episode of Omega and Bane, and now we have an episode that’s fully from the POV of new characters with a bit of Crosshair added in, which I thought was a welcome change of pace. The episode also delivered fully in regards to seeing the rise of the Empire from the perspective of the common folk.

Also I liked the detail of the clone commander that was close to the Syndullas (surely a veteran of the battle of Ryloth in TCW) and the fact he isn’t that bent on following orders, despite other episodes suggesting most clones had lost any semblance of individuality and creative thinking after the activation of Order 66. Could he even turn against his Imperial superiors, setting a precedent for the eventual dropout of other clones?

The only downside would be the death of Orn Free Taa, despite his role in the Lords of the Sith novel.

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TBH I find the word “filler” to be a really strange concept that gets thrown around way too much these days. Now I’m not trying to sound snarky or condescending or anything like that, but how can anything with a character driven plot and/or thematic relevance be “filler”? I can’t really think of anything in this series so far that have actually qualified as filler as I understand the word. Sure some episodes haven’t really moved the story of the Batch forward in any major way, but that doesn’t necessarily make it filler. By the standards that are attributed to the word nowadays we could say that virtually every episode of most old TV shows would qualify as filler as everything usually returned to the status quo by the end of most episodes. Or maybe I’m just too used to old stuff and it’s warping my understanding of modern media?

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Yeah I’m in no way using filler as in a negative sense per se. I actually have kind of a soft spot for slower-paced episodes, I defended the third episode of Loki when the rest of my family didn’t like it for the very same reason.

Indeed the more negative association to “filler” episodes is a more recent issue, given that as audiences we’ve grown more accustomed to modern TV series that keep the plot going in every episode. Because of this any chapter that doesn’t significantly move the plot along or doesn’t land a huge bombshell revelation at the end often stands out from the rest and is tipically dismissed as pointless or filler.

I liked the anthology feel of TCW and Rebels that was kind of evoked by The Mandalorian and I’m glad it has been recovered in some way by the Bad Batch.

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Knight of Kalee said:

The only downside would be the death of Orn Free Taa, despite his role in the Lords of the Sith novel.

Don’t worry, Orn Free Taa isn’t dead - he’s still moving after being shot and Admiral Rampart calls it an ‘attempted assassination’. Crosshair shot him in the lekku instead of the head. I’m very relieved they paid attention to his role in the novel.

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So, why are Howzer and his squad such good guys?

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Omni said:

So, why are Howzer and his squad such good guys?

They refused to keep following the party line, and instead refused to continue fighting against the people of Ryloth.

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