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Star Wars: The Bad Batch (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * SPOILERS * — Page 6

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I guess for me, knowing that The Bad Batch was planned prior to Rebels, and knowing Dave was highly involved in that opening sequence (and in most major beats of the show), I don’t mind him having the definitive say with his characters’ backstories.

Dave really views the franchise as being for kids, so it makes sense that he lightened up how this part of the story was told and included it in his kids show set between his other two kids shows. He’s never been slavish with continuity, and he’s always been the one to lighten the tone.

I don’t think there are too many other places with overlap, but I’ll be honest that I’m not in the know on every comic and book. There are just too many. The team tries to avoid continuity issues, and fixes them when they can… but sometimes continuity is going to break simply because of how many storytellers there are.

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I only just now realized that they changed Echo’s armor to match the rest of the Bad Batch instead of sticking to the white one he got in TCW season 7.

It’s hardly a new thing that exact timelines can be a bit confusing and/or inconsistent with SW, but some of the lines from the last episode (especially Echo’s line about the smell in their quarters suggesting that he’s been to Kamino with the Bad Batch at least once before), as well as how the Siege of Mandalore in the TCW season 7 finale is meant to connect to ROTS, makes me wonder just how much time is supposed to have transpired between the Bad Batch TCW arc and the Bad Batch series.


Also, the latest episode was quite good. Nothing too special, but it made sense to add a simpler, calmer episode after all that happened in the movie-length last episode. I did like the chain code tie-in to the Mandalorian. These things can often feel quite pointless, but it added to both the conflict of the episode and the exploration of authoritarianism that’s one of the main themes of this series.

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ZkinandBonez said:

I only just now realized that they changed Echo’s armor to match the rest of the Bad Batch instead of sticking to the white one he got in TCW season 7.

It’s hardly a new thing that exact timelines can be a bit confusing and/or inconsistent with SW, but some of the lines from the last episode (especially Echo’s line about the smell in their quarters suggesting that he’s been to Kamino with the Bad Batch at least once before), as well as how the Siege of Mandalore in the TCW season 7 finale is meant to connect to ROTS, makes me wonder just how much time is supposed to have transpired between the Bad Batch TCW arc and the Bad Batch series.

The first two arcs of TCWS7 were always supposed to kick off the series but the middle sections were filled by up to 10 arcs so there was probably at least a couple of months considering the conflicts that dominated were the Outer Rim ‘Sieges’ (i.e. events that take a while).

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The Bad Batch arc is about 6 months prior to RotS, and is a part of the Outer Arun Sieges. That’s why Parme still isn’t really showing in the hologram, though she knows and was about to tell Anakin.

The Trace/Rafa arc is about 2 1/2 to 3 months before that, when Anakin leaves for the Outer Rim sieges.

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JakeRyan17 said:

The Bad Batch arc is about 6 months prior to RotS, and is a part of the Outer Arun Sieges. That’s why Parme still isn’t really showing in the hologram, though she knows and was about to tell Anakin.

The Trace/Rafa arc is about 2 1/2 to 3 months before that, when Anakin leaves for the Outer Rim sieges.

So basically most of TCW stories are crammed into three years or so of the clone war, while there’s roughly six months (or more?) of untold stories predating the events shown in season 1 (though technically it was originally shown in the Tartakovsky series before it was de-canonized) and about six months or so between the start and finish of TCW season 7?

For context I’m referring to Anakin being knighted and having time to grow his long hair (plus gain his scar) when I’m talking about pre season 1 events. Maybe six months is a bit of a stretch, but it would have to at the very least be a couple of months?

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ZkinandBonez said:

JakeRyan17 said:

The Bad Batch arc is about 6 months prior to RotS, and is a part of the Outer Arun Sieges. That’s why Parme still isn’t really showing in the hologram, though she knows and was about to tell Anakin.

The Trace/Rafa arc is about 2 1/2 to 3 months before that, when Anakin leaves for the Outer Rim sieges.

So basically most of TCW stories are crammed into three years or so of the clone war, while there’s roughly six months (or more?) of untold stories predating the events shown in season 1 (though technically it was originally shown in the Tartakovsky series before it was de-canonized) and about six months or so between the start and finish of TCW season 7?

For context I’m referring to Anakin being knighted and having time to grow his long hair (plus gain his scar) when I’m talking about pre season 1 events. Maybe six months is a bit of a stretch, but it would have to at the very least be a couple of months?

Different people will tell you different timeframes of The Clone Wars, what’s generally accepted by people working on those shows is that it’s roughly five years. This allows Ashoka to grow over the course of the series from roughly 12 to roughly 17. As far as the timeframe prior to Ahsoka’s arrival, be that “pre-Season 1” or the parts of Genndy’s series that haven’t been contradicted, is less established, and I’d guess was only a couple of months.

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JakeRyan17 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

JakeRyan17 said:

The Bad Batch arc is about 6 months prior to RotS, and is a part of the Outer Arun Sieges. That’s why Parme still isn’t really showing in the hologram, though she knows and was about to tell Anakin.

The Trace/Rafa arc is about 2 1/2 to 3 months before that, when Anakin leaves for the Outer Rim sieges.

So basically most of TCW stories are crammed into three years or so of the clone war, while there’s roughly six months (or more?) of untold stories predating the events shown in season 1 (though technically it was originally shown in the Tartakovsky series before it was de-canonized) and about six months or so between the start and finish of TCW season 7?

For context I’m referring to Anakin being knighted and having time to grow his long hair (plus gain his scar) when I’m talking about pre season 1 events. Maybe six months is a bit of a stretch, but it would have to at the very least be a couple of months?

Different people will tell you different timeframes of The Clone Wars, what’s generally accepted by people working on those shows is that it’s roughly five years. This allows Ashoka to grow over the course of the series from roughly 12 to roughly 17. As far as the timeframe prior to Ahsoka’s arrival, be that “pre-Season 1” or the parts of Genndy’s series that haven’t been contradicted, is less established, and I’d guess was only a couple of months.

Right, though for some weird reason I always thought the clone war was canonically four years long. Maybe that’s a Legends thing? Five years makes a fair bit more sense though, but I still find it odd that Anakin was knighted, scarred by (presumably) Ventress, and grew his hair to shoulder length in just a couple of months all between AOTC and TCW season 1.

I still think it’s funny how Lucasfilm keeps expanding everything Filoni-related, but keep ignoring the pre TCW season 1 events, leaving both Ventress’ and Grievous’s first appearances as untold stories. Though I personally find a certain charm in the absolute canonical mess that is the connection between the two clone wars series and how Filoni’s series (most of it anyway) technically exist in both canons.

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I mean, Filoni’s series doesn’t line up with Genndy’s almost at all. Ventress only has one major appearance, and it’s suggested she dies.

The old canon’s tiered system of some things retconning others made it so that Filoni’s team tried to avoid Genndy’s timeframe as much as possible, but Anakin’s knighting leads almost directly into the Battle of Coruscant, by the way it’s structured. It’s a bit messy, but Filoni tries not to retcon anything if he can help it, but will do whatever he thinks is best for a story.

I think the old EU has established multiple timeframes for the Clone Wars, I’ve seen 2 years, 3 years, and 4 years published, but I don’t think anything in the new Canon has been said officially. And even if it had, that might be hanging out with Ahsoka’s green lightsabers and the red paint job on the clone armour when Caleb/Kanan experienced Order 66.

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JakeRyan17 said:

I mean, Filoni’s series doesn’t line up with Genndy’s almost at all. Ventress only has one major appearance, and it’s suggested she dies.

The old canon’s tiered system of some things retconning others made it so that Filoni’s team tried to avoid Genndy’s timeframe as much as possible, but Anakin’s knighting leads almost directly into the Battle of Coruscant, by the way it’s structured. It’s a bit messy, but Filoni tries not to retcon anything if he can help it, but will do whatever he thinks is best for a story.

I think the old EU has established multiple timeframes for the Clone Wars, I’ve seen 2 years, 3 years, and 4 years published, but I don’t think anything in the new Canon has been said officially. And even if it had, that might be hanging out with Ahsoka’s green lightsabers and the red paint job on the clone armour when Caleb/Kanan experienced Order 66.

I always got the impression that the whole “pitch” for Filoni’s TCW was that it would fit within the montage after Anakin’s knighting which suggested the passage of several years (which is why they kept the overall style of Tartakovsky’s series, but made it 3D). The “death” of Ventress’ in the 2D series is debatable however, but yes, Lucas and Filoni didn’t seem to care much for continuity with the EU overall back when they started making the series. IIRC some of the writers even quit during the firs two years because they kept retconning the EU. Either way, this all just adds to the absolute bonkers continuity of all things clone wars related both now and (especially) then.

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The thing that most annoyed me about the reboot of the canon after the buyout was that the new system didn’t introduce more time between AotC and RotS and between TESB and RotJ but instead kept the bizarre compressed timeline.

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Artan42 said:

The thing that most annoyed me about the reboot of the canon after the buyout was that the new system didn’t introduce more time between AotC and RotS and between TESB and RotJ but instead kept the bizarre compressed timeline.

They never made it explicit, but they also never really stated an official timeline.

Based on Cut’s family, and how old his kids were in The Deserter, there could even be more time for the war than 5 years.

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JakeRyan17 said:

Based on Cut’s family, and how old his kids were in The Deserter, there could even be more time for the war than 5 years.

I’d say 5 years makes sense based on the new designs for Jek and Shaeeah, especially the former. I can see Jek being about five years old in TCW season 2 episode and nine or ten in the latest episode.

Even Cut has aged a fair bit, such as his hair having started to grey a little, but he’s a clone after all so it only makes sense that he’d age must faster. Speaking of clone aging, and since we’re on the topic of SW timelines, has it ever been established how fast the clones grown compared to regular people? I figured they’d have to at east age twice as fast as normal humans, which would make sense for Rex’s old age in Rebels, provided he was one of the first clones grown.

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Clones, with two exceptions, grow at double the rate of other humans, by design to have a large batch of adults in 10 years.

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Loved the new episode. The defamiliarisation of Omega being fascinated with dirt is one of those things that makes you appreciate the world a little more than you already did. If you want to make a viewer appreciate something they take for granted, create a story where it’s taken away - and that scene drives home the effect of poor Omega having grown up on one horrible rainy planet in sterile white corridors her whole life so far.

Speaking of Omega, similarly to Ezra and Ahsoka, she’s a young character who actually acts her age - but unlike Ezra and Ahsoka, I see very few people complaining that they find her annoying. Maybe it’s because she’s the youngest of those characters and therefore in the realm of ‘cute’ rather than ‘immature’.

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Omega is so precious I just want to give her hug. It utterly gutted me seeing her look so broken in the cockpit.

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Likewise, I thought her calling them out with “just because I have a lot to learn, that doesn’t mean you have to rid of me” was very moving. It’s a window into her fear of being abandoned, particularly only a day or two after having been rescued. She was right to make a point of it.

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I’m loving this so far. It was such a good call to continue with the visual style of season 7 of clone wars. The animation in this show is at times beautiful and lighting that you just did not see in rebels and pre disney clone wars.

I think this goes hand in hand with the more confident storytelling, as the visual storytelling is head and shoulders above what rebels and clone wars could achieve (early clone wars can be unwatchable during particularly action heavy episodes. Where the screen is just filled up with lasers and characters moving far too quickly. to the point its just not engaging).

Anyway back to bad batch. I think both episodes have been great and i’m already way more invested in hunter and omega, than I was grogu and mando.

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Saw the pilot and… well, it’s lame. I won’t comment on the technicality, because TCW was already a very well done show during Lucas era. However, on what the show is about, it’s just so uninteresting and bland, with very little happening in an incredibly repetitive narration and character interactions. Really, they even made Tarkin not interesting, that’s a first. Let’s hope it gets better with time, in the meantime I don’t get all the fuzz for something so inconsequential and packed by marketing managers…

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Even more moving now that I’ve watched it twice ; Her innocently thinking Tech accidentally made five counterfeit passes when she delivers them. I felt heartbroken that she had no idea they - a group with which she placed her entire future - were sending her off with strangers. Her leaving with the Batch was a giant leap of faith and here they were after one tough day already dumping her.

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The Bad Batch end credits music:

https://youtu.be/5dn-wxueZAw

Omega’s theme is 0:26 apparently. I love it to bits. This whole main theme sounds really heroic and I’ve been listening to it far too much lately.

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JakeRyan17 said:

Clones, with two exceptions, grow at double the rate of other humans, by design to have a large batch of adults in 10 years.

Seems like they wouldn’t be able to grow very many clones in 4 years. Don’t they say in AOTC that the army was 200,000 strong with 1 million on the way?

For some reason I thought they’d established there were 5 years between AOTC and ROTS.

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Cthulhunicron said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Clones, with two exceptions, grow at double the rate of other humans, by design to have a large batch of adults in 10 years.

Seems like they wouldn’t be able to grow very many clones in 4 years. Don’t they say in AOTC that the army was 200,000 strong with 1 million on the way?

For some reason I thought they’d established there were 5 years between AOTC and ROTS.

I just checked on Wookieepedia and Sifo Dyas was killed exactly 10 years before the start of the clone wars, so by the time of AOTC the oldest clones would be about ten years old, i.e. the equivalent of a human in his early twenties. So it makes sense that they’d have a bunch of teenagers almost ready to become soldiers at this time. And of course we see a lot of clone children in both AOTC and TCW, as well as in The Bad Batch.

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Cthulhunicron said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Clones, with two exceptions, grow at double the rate of other humans, by design to have a large batch of adults in 10 years.

Seems like they wouldn’t be able to grow very many clones in 4 years. Don’t they say in AOTC that the army was 200,000 strong with 1 million on the way?

For some reason I thought they’d established there were 5 years between AOTC and ROTS.

Neither the films or either Clone Wars shows really specify how long the Clone Wars lasts, so I usually headcanon it to be 5 years. If you push TPM back to 34 BBY instead of 32, everything else falls into place and allows a larger period of time for the Clone Wars, without mucking up the rest of the timeline.

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Still not convinced with S01E02: it serioulsy lacks something in this show to interest me. Getting another “Mando & Grogu” kind of storytelling with Solid Snake & Omega feels quite tired already (besides, imho it was the weak spot of Mando). This show doesn’t seem to add anything to the mythology that couldn’t be find anywhere else (Rebels, TCW, Mando). Also, the timelines don’t quite fit, but this already was my issue with the main series TCW (I don’t buy that so many stuff and character evolutions happened in 3 years between AOTC and ROTS).

I won’t follow the show any further, unless I read somewhere that it’s really getting good.

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