PLEASE, please no Vader in either of these films. Not even a cameo. No way should a skilled smuggler get entangled in something like that. This is the man who drops his shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser - no way would he go up against the second in command!
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
I don't know.
Vader and Fett seem more obvious as guest stars in each other's story than Vader and Solo.
There even seems to be a sense of familiarity between them in the ESB exchanges.
Prior to ANH:SE Solo and Fett knowing each other (beyond their reputation) seemed more unlikely (it still does now for me).
bkev said:
PLEASE, please no Vader in either of these films. Not even a cameo. No way should a skilled smuggler get entangled in something like that. This is the man who drops his shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser - no way would he go up against the second in command!
There is absolutely no way that Disney and Kennedy, who have already shown a lack of desire to do anything interesting with the franchise other than milking the bone-dry OT, will pass up on inserting arguably the most iconic character in all of film into their new spinoffs.
In other words, prepare to be disappointed.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
Oh, Vader and Fett makes sense. I totally see the Empire making use of bounty hunters all the time, kind of goes in line with the whole scummy thing.
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
Actually combining a few of the ideas from the spin off ideas thread with that would make a very cool series on television or a separate film series.
Set in Vader's fleet, tracking down the last of the Jedi and the first Rebels.
Filmed from the Imperial perspective with occasional guest spots for Vader and Fett (easy to do seeing as they both wear masks) but focusing mostly on lesser characters.
Tie pilots, crew, imperial droids, troopers etc.
It could serve as an interesting counterpoint to the OT.
I can't even begin to express my complete disinterest in these.
If it's done well, keeps the look of the OT & blends well.....I can't wait
This is the Star Wars I've been waiting for, smugglers, bounty hunters etc.....not all that Prequel Political Jedi stuff....yawn
J
Good Lord, could there be a few more Debbie Downers in this thread? We're finally getting new SW films without Lucas screwing them up and people still find things to bitch about. Just goes to show when it comes to SW there are always going to be people who will NEVER be happy no matter what happens.
When Episode VII arrives it will be almost two decades since the SE happened.
This is OT.COM.
It's not so much we are all Debbie Downers it's just we are armoured against disappointment more than any other fanbase.
17 years of waiting for the PT we got.
GOUT.
The 2004 DVD changes.
The blu-Ray set.
If there is negativity here it's understandable.
Personally I'm starting to give a monkey's and this worries me more than any negativity from other members here.
I'm starting to get interested again but I can't shake the anticipation of a smack in the face again.
After they ruined the Character of Vader, Fett and Yoda in the prequels who but a prequel fan would see a spin off film with a cgi prequel Yoda, or Boba the Jango Fett clone.
Honestly Yoda with a Lightsaber demeans the character he was at least for me in terms of empire strikes back, and Boba no longer being mysterious also ruined any appeal the character had.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I for one would love a movie about Yoda's early days for no other reason than to see him with a beautifully animated flowing mane of CG hair.
(but seriously I thought it was a bad idea to give Yoda amd Palpatine lightsabers. In the OT they were above that. It lowered them. Should have been more like Gandalf vs Saruman.)
So Yoda having a lightsabre is bad even though he is a Jedi? What is the reasoning in that? Isn't that one of the things they are trained on? It's one of the first things Obi Wan taught Luke.
Obi-Wan is a Jedi Knight.
He gives Luke a weapon on the first day of his journey as his 'squire'.
He insists that Luke must kill Vader.
Yoda is a Jedi Master.
His message is wars don't make one great and Luke shouldn't be too reliant on his weapons and should face his fear (that he will become as Vader) and conquer that fear (at no point does he tell Luke he has to kill Vader).
Luke faces Vader and refuses to kill him.
Ultimately it's Yoda Luke listens to, that is how he wins.
It's this example he passes on to his father which redeems him.
Yoda and Palpatine are above hacking at each other with blades.
Remember Yoda can pick up spaceships with his mind and Palpatine can make lightning come out of his fingers.
It defuses their power to be doing something so pedestrian.
So I take it in the EU Luke eventually stops using the light sabre so he can be a Jedi master? Does this imply that the sequel trilogy will no longer be canon here if Luke is seen with a light sabre?
Of course it would be canon.
Yoda and Palpatine used sabers in the PT which is canon.
Will it be bollocks though? That is the more pertinent question.
I have a very limited knowledge of the EU.
My ally is the OUT.
Does the ROTS show Yoda leaving his light sabre behind or taking it with him? If he didn't take it with him that could be the reason he don't use one in V or VI. That or the thing stopped working due to the humidity and fog in the swamp. Or maybe it could have stopped working since it was 20 years since the last movie too.
I don't mind him having a lightsaber. I hate that he jumps around like Daffy Duck.
Luke builds a new saber after the events of ESB and plans to return to Dagobah to train with Yoda.
So if it was just a matter of Yoda losing his, why didn't he build another one?
If he needed one in the PT he would be more in need of one in the OT (to defend himself and to help train his eventual apprentice).
If Dagobah's atmosphere was too funky to use a lightsaber why did Luke use one in ESB?
Anyway you look at it Yoda in ESB is a totally different, more powerful and more interesting character than Yoda in the PT.
Would Lucas have made him as stupid a character in the OT if he could at the time?
I don't know?
Would he have given Palpatine a saber in ROTJ if he had thought about the potential for toys and such?
*shrugs*
The bottom line is those characters are more powerful and more interesting without sabers than with and Lucas screwed up what was there with what he latter added.
It's like giving Duke Dooku Palpatine's Force Lightning.
It weakened Palpatine in ROTJ by giving his underling the same 'secret power' in an earlier episode.
TV's Frink said:
I don't mind him having a lightsaber. I hate that he jumps around like Daffy Duck.
That's the problem with making Yoda blade reliant.
He is very short.
To engage his foes he either has to bounce around, use the Force to impale them on his saber or just cut them off at the ankle or wear stilts.
One makes Yoda seem too violent and the other two are really silly.
Lucas arguably went for the lesser of two silly.
Well, in a swamp all he would have is tree bark and stuff that nature provides. So he can't build a light sabre out of that probably. I dunno if he packed spare parts for a new light sabre in his little escape ship.
As for why Lukes light sabre still worked in the swamp.... It probably hadn't rusted out yet. Stay there long enough and maybe it would have.
It isn't as if Yoda just beamed to Dagobah from the Senate Chamber.
He was hanging around on a space ship, on an asteroid base, with another Jedi who has his own saber and a spare one.
If having a saber was important to him he would have got one.
Trust me.
I've spent too much time thinking about this to wrong ;-D
If he's going to a swamp tho, why would taking a light sabre be a priority? Besides, you didn't answer last time when I asked if you saw him with a light sabre when he got in his ship anyway. So for all we know he didn't have one.
Cobra Kai said:
But yes, this would be the among the dumbest ideas ever, along with Yaddle, midichlorians, Boba Fett as a kid, and cg clone troopers.
I guess I'm alone in wanting to see an R-rated Porkins spinoff.
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