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Thanks Ringo, but I think I like it better when "STAR-WARS" is centered and smaller, although I agree this design is more "Star Warsish" than mine.

I think It would be difficult (to me) to do a 4:3 version that looks good, and I don't really want to do it anyway.

I understand that to be the "ultimate silent version" it should be in 4:3, with bad sound, and with big text and all.

But there's a lot of scenes in Star Wars that I think would not look that good in 4:3. (a lot of scenes where people are on the opposite side of the picture (they would be cutted in half once in 4:3).

I want this edit to be a nice way to listen to the score, so no audio noise (exept at some points maybe)

As for the text, I suppose it could be a bit bigger, but I'm fed up with my text cards I must say... I almost dream about them at night! lol  All I can do for now is my french cards version and some corrections in the english ones.

 

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I have e-mailed my final card corrections to TMBTM now. Very few in most cases. I also pointed out a couple of audio oddities in the movies. (the audio gets really loud for a split second right after the ship crash in Ep. III and right before the throne room scene in Ep. IV)

The only real change I'd do to the cards visually is smooth out the Star Wars logo and the lines around it, but I don't know how much it would take to do that. I'm happy with them as they are, really. :)

I just watched the scene with the viceroy and it looks very nice! A nice balance of grain and scratches (maybe a few too many scratches in the first clip), and the addition of slight color looks excellent. Good ol' sepia! :)

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Okay, first of all, I really liked those clips! Excellent job! Thing with the video though is that even though it looks old, it's not quite "silent movie" old (and again, I don't want to sound like I'm nitpicking, I'm just offering up a suggestion or two; take them how you will).

1.Perhaps you could try fading the borders of the picture to make it look like it was shot with an old-time lens, like this:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/NosferatuShadow.jpg

 

2. You could also try mucking around with the frame-rate. Perhaps either a) speed the frame-rate up just a little bit, or b) (and only if there's an easy way to do this, because doing it manually would be a monumental pain in the ass) find a way to remove, say, one out of every four or five frames, to make the movement look choppier.

 

Again, if it's too late in the game for changes like this, then disregard this post. I also don't want to seem like a nitpicker, I just you guys's edit to be as awesome as possible (because, let's face it, this is a really cool idea!)

 

http://i.imgur.com/7N84TM8.jpg

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thanks Ripplin, I'll check your email.

Perhaps you could try fading the borders of the picture to make it look like it was shot with an old-time lens

Yes Nanner Split, I also thought about that, I think I could do this sort of thing on some scenes with claustrophobia feeling (like inside the wampa's cave for exemple).

find a way to remove, say, one out of every four or five frames, to make the movement look choppier.

I will give it a try. But my old cinema filter don't give much choice about the frame-rate, and I don't use it directly but as an alpha layer on premiere pro (just to get the scratches and noise). So I'll check if Premiere Pro can do what you said.

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If you want an example of what the frame-removing approach can do to a more modern film, check this out:

 

Radiohead - There There

 

I think that's one of those things that I'd just try out on a little chunk to see if I liked it before I implemented it into the whole film.

 

Another thing is that most silent films were not exclusively black and white. The one I'll use for an example is Nosferatu, as it's the only silent movie I've seen all the way through (if you've never seen it, it's fantastic, by the way). The filmmakers would use several different filters throughout the film to denote either mood or time of day. For instance, the interior of the castle was sort of a yellowish tint. For night shots, the picture would be a light blue (I know both sepia and green made it in there as well, just not sure where).  Not sure if that's something you'd want to implement as well.

And I also don't mean to make the editing process even harder than it already is. :P (I've done my fair share as well; not a lot, just enough to know how much of a bitch it is).

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The filmmakers would use several different filters throughout the film to denote either mood or time of day.

I think it could be a great idea.

Kind of easy to do, totaly in the spirit of the version, and could bring diversity and beauty to the project. Now it will be difficult to choose where and when... Because I don't want dark red pictures each time Vader arrives, nor pink filter when Anakin kiss Padme! lol. It also must be from time to time, when the mood needs a real change like on dagobah; the picture could be...green! lol. So we could finaly see a green yoda in this edit! I don't know, just a thought. I still needs tests on this changing color idea.

The edit could have a (subtle) color filter for each planet(yellow/orange for Tatooine, blue/grey for coruscant etc...) Then some added changes for special scenes when the mood needs a real change.

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Just...don't go crazy with the fancy stuff, or it'll look like George got a hold of it. :p

Does that mean I could not use rotoscoped CG T-Rex shots from JP in place of the Rancor? ;)

More seriously, this new version needs to be a good balance between "keep it simple" and "make it different", indeed.

 

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Just...don't go crazy with the fancy stuff, or it'll look like George got a hold of it. :p

Does that mean I could not use rotoscoped CG T-Rex shots from JP in place of the Rancor? ;)

More seriously, this new version needs to be a good balance between "keep it simple" and "make it different", indeed.

 

 

 in this case, using color filters makes sense, because it adds to the 'mood' of the film..

unlike unintentional filters (blue tint in 'empire', etc) ..

i think its a great idea, don't worry about what people think, be creative...

 

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 think its a great idea, don't worry about what people think, be creative...

Yep, I was just joking with my friend Ripplin. :)

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IIRC, old stuff (like WW1 news reels) had 18FPS... just FYI (I have to stop using acronyms, LOL! oops - I did it again!)

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Well, here's a video with some clips of Nosferatu so you can see what I was talking about. Again, it's pretty subtle, nothing major:

 

Nosferatu music video thing

 

You can skip the intro, unless you're a really big fan of David Carradine. :P

http://i.imgur.com/7N84TM8.jpg

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Rapidshare links for DVD part1 (clean, normal black and white version) can now be found in the first post of this topic.

Part2 soon to come.

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Some told me that they have difficulties extracting the zip files from my rapidshare links.

They were made using "7-zip" (free program) and it extract them well too. So try this program if you have troubles. I'll see if I could do other compresed share with a regular WinRar program.

someone said "The files didn't show up as regular RAR files, so WIN RAR wasn't going to work. I combined all the files with HJ Split and extracted them with the computer's default zipped folders program." Hope it'll help.

Tell me if you have troubles too.

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Rapidshare links for DVD part2: see the first post of this topic.

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Torrents page will be back in 8 hours.

I think I finished my french cards version.

Still working on the episode1 "dusty" version. (blue tint for underwater/Gungan City - Yellow/orange tint for Tatooine - and red tint for Gui Gon funeral - the rest of the movie is the same sepia tint as the pictures posted here before. I also changed a bit the luminosity filter, now centered toward the middle of the picture when scenes focus on few caracters, scpecialy in interior.

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Could you post a few screen shots of the revised version when you have time....please?

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yeah,

i would like to see some shots if possible also,

sounds good!

 

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also, another thing i really like about this silent version

is that it solves the issue that the aliens dont always speak

english... we are seeing a translation so we can understand it..

 

almost all sci-fi cheats (including all the star wars series), by

just putting all the dialogue (*ok, with a few subtitles) in english

so we can follow it..

 

there's no easy solution.......

 

but i think the silent version solves that..

 

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almost all sci-fi cheats (including all the star wars series), by

just putting all the dialogue (*ok, with a few subtitles) in english

so we can follow it..

 

there's no easy solution.......

In the Farscape TV series, the main human character don't understand what the creatures says, until some  "liquide translator" is injected in his veins! That way, all the creaures can understand each others. I found that funny!

Perhaps more "dusty" pictures in the next hours.

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Ok, some pictures "before/after" style:

Gungan City original version

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9567/gungancityoriginalvtx3.jpg

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Gungan City Dusty version (+ blue tint)

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6711/gungancitybluevnz5.jpg

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Tatooine original version

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7581/tatooineexteriororiginasy4.jpg

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Tatooine Dusty version (+ yellow/orange tint, only in exterior scenes)

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9246/tatooineexterioryellowvrz6.jpg

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Tatooine - interior original version

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4329/tatooineinteriororiginadb7.jpg[/IMG]

Tatooine - interior (Dusty version, black and white sepia)

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4819/tatooineinteriorsepiadign9.jpg

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Tatooine - interior (Dusty version, black and white sepia but with omnidirectional lightning)

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5477/tatooineinteriorsepiaomyz1.jpg

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Funeral original

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1263/funeraloriginalvfn2.jpg

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Funeral (Dusty version + red tint)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1482/funeralreddirectlightvrz0.jpg

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Funeral (Dusty version + red tint but with omnidirectional lightning)

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2245/funeralredomnidirectionhc5.jpg

By tmbtm

 

I just need to do a moving camera (pan style) preview to choose if I keep the omnidirectional lightning (in some interior, close-up scenes) or not.

 

 

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very nice..

 

the lighting effects look very good!

thanks for all your hard work on this..

 

its looking very promising..

 

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I need your toughts about 2 things :

1 - Do you think the text cards must also be tinted the same color as the scenes they're into or simply stay black and white sepia all the time?

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1084/textredum6.jpg

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http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/706/textsepiaug3.jpg

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2 - Do you think the omnidirectional lightning must be added to all the text cards? (cause I find that kind of nice, but maybe a bit "eye distracting"?)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5579/textredomnipb0.jpg

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http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/516/textsepiaomnidy7.jpg

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