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I just tried to watch my DVD .vob files on VLC player and the brightness is the original one, not the darker version I see when I play it with, let's say, windows media player or some other players.

I don't know why this appends. On some players it looks "normal", on some other it looks darker.

and by the way, the quick montage made by negative 1 have the original brightness unlike the pictures he post.

I'm kind of lost with this brightness/contrast issue.

But I like both way of watching it, so for me it's no big deal, I just would like to now why there is this change from a player to another.

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TMBTM said:

I just tried to watch my DVD .vob files on VLC player and the brightness is the original one, not the darker version I see when I play it with, let's say, windows media player or some other players.

I don't know why this appends. On some players it looks "normal", on some other it looks darker.

and by the way, the quick montage made by negative 1 have the original brightness unlike the pictures he post.

I'm kind of lost with this brightness/contrast issue.

But I like both way of watching it, so for me it's no big deal, I just would like to now why there is this change from a player to another.

 

 i think you're right..

the pictures came from virtualdub -> capture screen

however, when saving the image -> some brightness effect happened, due to compression?

i am using 24 bit jpgs..

but i know when you're doing grayscale, you can only capture so much..

 

you need to see the video clip to really judge it..

 

later

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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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I woulda gone with some artificial grain occasionally, but that's about it really.  Other'n that, this seems very interesting.

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I have both burned now. I had a quick look at both to see that they burned properly. I think they look and sound excellent! My first thought (and one I had before) was 'this is a really fun way to listen to the soundtrack!' You know what I mean. :)

I still saw a couple of little spelling and/or grammatical mistakes in the little I watched, but nothing to hold these edits back, or make a second version necessary. It's probably different for me because I have the original and revised notes to compare everything to.

I plan to watch both in their entirety soon. I'll review them over at FE.org.

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I've been watching the first disc (to me the most guilty of having far too much CG work in it) and thankfully, turning the movies to black and white has actually taken a lot of the cartoonish nature away from the work. It seems to work really well especially now the clunky dialogue has been taken out of the equation too. Now only the music is there to set the mood and this shows John Williams off to his best. There's something about the quality of the CG work in black and white that makes it less jarring than when it's in those awful OTT computer palettes...
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The DivX torrents for Episode 4-5-6 are now online.

Since I keep my other DVD and divX torrents alive, the speed could be a bit slow.

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Likewise, I've made some notes but I'll hold off til I've had a proper look at it all. Thanks again for providing avi links.

 

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Ripplin said:

I've just finished watching and am going to start writing a review of this immediately over at the FE.org thread for this edit. :) (http://www.faneditforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=4921)

Edit: Ok, it's done! I think you'll be pleased, TMBTM! :)

 

 i would like to read it,

but i'm not a member..

 

later

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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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Ripplin said:

I've just finished watching and am going to start writing a review of this immediately over at the FE.org thread for this edit. :) (http://www.faneditforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=4921)

Edit: Ok, it's done! I think you'll be pleased, TMBTM! :)

i would like to read it,

but i'm not a member..

later

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I won't ask why... I suppose I could copy and paste it here. :p

 

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You should... he's not the only one who refuses to register for some reason. :p

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Having just completed watching the entire saga as edited by TMBTM, I am impressed! Here are some specifics on what I saw and heard:

Plot

Most people on this forum--and its sister site, originaltrilogy.com--know the Star Wars movies inside and out. That being said, no matter what a faneditor does, we know the story behind it and what originally happened. In the case of TMBTM's edit, it is by and large a case of subtraction rather than addition or alteration. Despite cutting a large amount of footage in order to make each episode fit a 30-40 minute standard, the story still makes complete sense. Even the prequels. ;) Consideration was given to how scenes would play out in the future having removed certain things, and it all fits together very well. The dialogue cards were concise when possible and went into more detail when necessary. (I will get into the dialogue cards more later on.) I laughed out loud several times when reading the editor's notes and thought 'oh, people are going to get a kick out of this!'

I give the plot 4/5, the subtraction for perhaps not going far enough outside the original plot boundaries as I may have liked (very subjective; I do see how it should be quite close when doing a silent film version of something, as well), and for the fact that no matter how well one tries to explain the prequels, it can never fully be done. I don't think I'll ever fully understand them, anyway.

Image quality

For a long time, I had wondered if anyone had made a silent film version, completely done in black and white. Only a couple of months after I had posted my thoughts, I found out about this edit. I must say, these movies look great in black and white, especially the prequels. At ot.com, astromech said the following: "...turning the movies to black and white has actually taken a lot of the cartoonish nature away from the [CG] work." That statement is very accurate, especially as far as the prequels are concerned. I've always felt they went overboard with color and light at times, and having a lack of color like this sort of mutes everything. There are times when it gives the scenes a very classic feel; the duel between Vader and Luke in ESB looks especially nice; elegant, even! Sometimes, the image is a bit too bright, but that is not the editor's fault. It mostly happens in outdoor scenes in the PT, and to change it may have created more problems than it was worth.

Having said all that, some have mentioned that adding film grain to this may have given it more authenticity, rather than the excellent DVD quality image this edit presents. But it seems to me that that process can be hit and miss. TMBTM can certainly do this if he wants to return to this edit in the future, but I think it's fine the way it is. Others have expressed concerns about overall brightness, but I saw no issues with this. Everything looked consistent, and the fact that these were sourced from the 2004 DVDs must be taken into consideration.

I give the image quality 5/5.

Audio quality

This is what this edit is all about; enjoying John Williams' beautiful film scores in a unique way. And that music is in fine form; crisp and clear. There are several excellent cuts and substitutions present. One example is using music from ROTJ suring the pod racing scene, which seems to have been timed just for that scene, especially towards the end! The timing during the droid ship destruction and the addition of "Jedi Rocks" into AOTC were also very well timed. My favorite cut for the sheer cleverness factor may be during ROTJ right after Jabba says he likes Solo right where he is. You'll see. The only problems I heard were a couple of times where the volume seems to ramp up for a split second, and a couple of fades and such that were a little hard.

Overall, the music selections show that a lot of thought went into them and the songs sound great. I rate the audio quality 4.5/5.

Difference to the original


Lack of color, altered dialogue, substituted/edited music and shortened sequences make this one quite different from the original, which is good. As I mentioned earlier, the thought of a silent film version of the Star Wars movies is something I was already hoping to see before I'd heard of this edit. When all the good ideas had seemingly been done, along comes one that someone has actually made that I had a vision of beforehand. I must have had the biggest grin on my face when I read about this one.

Overall, I will give the differences a 4.5/5. If the storyline had been more significantly altered, that may have been a 5, but that's just me.

Overall presentation

I find this whole edited saga shows a great deal of consideration. I can't imagine how much time and effort went into planning! I even put several hours into it, thus making this the first fanedit I've worked on. (My review is still unbiased, however.) I proofread and made alterations to the script/dialogue cards, most of which were implemented. Since the editor's first language is not English, I wanted to make it seem as if it is, basically. There are a few spelling and grammatical mistakes that were missed once put into the movie (I had no advance screening, so I couldn't help at that point), but all are small and soon forgotten.

The menu is simple, but effective, as are the dialogue cards. I kept thinking of things he may have been able to do to change them, but after a while, I thought 'no, they're fine the way they are.' To gussy them up too much would be distracting, I think. The only thing I might have done was try and get the outline--including the Star Wars logo--a little smoother looking. As for amount of time the cards are on screen, no problems there. The viewer will always have plenty of time for reading, with no feeling of 'get on with it' at any time. One thing that made me smile a few times are some of the wipes he used. Pretty clever at times. I especially liked one that went from Vader's meditation chamber to the battlefield of Hoth.

I rate overall presentation 4.5/5.

All in all, it's hard to believe this is TMBTM's first fanedit contribution to the site. It is a definite winner, and any fan of these movies should have it in their collection. I see no reason to delay adding this to the FE.org main page. If TMBTM wants to return to this edit and do some small tweaks, he's more than welcome, but for now, I say this edit is:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5985/18596830yi7.png

P.S. I think that's 300 words or more. I didn't count.

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Nice to see I provided a small soundbite there...but I'd have to agree - this is a fairly ambitious reworking of the saga which has turned out quite nicely. Kudos to you TMBTM...!

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Thanks astromech!
I'm glad you like the edit Ripplin!
I'm pleased with your comment about the amount of time the cards are on screen. I think I don't read english as fast most people here, so I wondered if the result was good or not. I don't think I could have been able to present a decent final version of this edit without your help this past 2 or 3 weeks.
It was a long learning process and I'm happy that it does not look like total fiasco.

I understand what you said about the plot. At first I wanted to change the separatists into the begining of the rebellion, that sort of things... But finaly I liked the way the Emperor manage to divide and rule, creating a war to take control. I like the prequels story, it really just was the bad dialogues (and too many useless scenes, and sometime lifeless acting...) that kind of killed part of the fun of these movies to me.
So the goal of this edit was more to tell the same story in a different visual way than to make it "mine".

I agree about the astromech comment on the CGI looking better in black and white. I think CGI looks more part of the real world that way.

I'm planning to do a french version of this edit. And maybe later a "dusty" version with some "old movie" type filters. But for now I will take some rest, spending time with my girlfriend, and drink some beers watching movies I did not see 1000 times!

Thanks to everyone that take the time to download and watch this edit.
Tell me what you like or not about it. It could help for a next version and for my next fan edits.
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Here is a part of an interview with John Williams:

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George often talks about his movies as, " silent movies." Obviously they are not "silent movies", but he sees himself as working in the spirit of silent movies. What does that mean to you as a composer?

JW.
When George refers to his movies as "silent movies", I think he is speaking about several aspects of the genre. He writes scripts, and they have dialogue, they have a text, but there is a hurtling forward in the editing and in the conception of the thing that is really cinematic. It is not a literary expression, even though there is a literary aspect to it. And so, when he says "silent film", I think he is referring to a kind of rhythmic and visual energy - so that you could almost remove the text and it would still hurtle forward. It is the kind of rhythmic and kinetic expression that speaks - and that is what music is about really - events in time and events in a certain speed, or lack of speed. So I don't think that George means "silent movie" in terms of the fact that the movie doesn't have sound, but more in terms of the spirit of the action movies of the silent period that didn't depend on a literary text, but action, visual effects and timing, and probably music.

People have observed that even the silent films of the 1920's, the films that we refer to as being silent, were never really silent. An orchestra was always in the pit or an organist or some music from the classical repertoire was being played at the same time as the movie. And that is still really the part of the tradition of what we do. George links strongly with that past. I am very fortunate to work-with a director like that because music is kind of a sensual (or essential?) pulse of what he does Cinematically. It makes my role an important one, or an integral one, to the real spirit and heartbeat of his films.

You'll find the entire interview here:

http://www.musicweb-international.com/f ... rview.html

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Nice find. :) One thing I like about having the PT in silent mode is that it hides some of those HORRIBLE sound effects! Some of them bugged me even more than Jar Jar! Specifically, it's that stupid warbling thing Ben Burtt seems to have become obsessed with. I can't stand it. Even the stupid creatures in the arena do it.

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Ripplin said:

Nice find. :) One thing I like about having the PT in silent mode is that it hides some of those HORRIBLE sound effects! Some of them bugged me even more than Jar Jar! Specifically, it's that stupid warbling thing Ben Burtt seems to have become obsessed with. I can't stand it. Even the stupid creatures in the arena do it.

 

arggggg, that warbling sound.  what is his deal with that? 

 

anyway... cool project TMBTM!

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Thanks for the link, -1, I was using other tools, but it's always good to have more choices.

Isn't Star Wars an old war movie?

 

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PYEMS5XI

 

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How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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Thanks ThrowgnCpr!

What other tools are you using RSS-1980?

Is a tempgenc 4 Xpress "old movie" filter ever exist? Can't find one.

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Ripplin said:

Nice find. :) One thing I like about having the PT in silent mode is that it hides some of those HORRIBLE sound effects! Some of them bugged me even more than Jar Jar! Specifically, it's that stupid warbling thing Ben Burtt seems to have become obsessed with. I can't stand it. Even the stupid creatures in the arena do it.

What about

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Boga? I literally

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of that Boga sound effect.

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But this edit sounds cool, and I'll try to check it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You know of the rebellion against the Empire?