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schorman13 said:
Great Work! Thanks for this list.
Does anyone know where to find those French HDF versions? They could be very helpful for version 2 of my HDTV project. PM me if you can help. Thanks.
Found them. PM sent.
Star Wars: SDTV & HDTV digital broadcast database - Updated: 2018-03-19 23:50 CET
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Star Wars - 1997 Special Edition - SDTV
Flunk - Beta Digicam (Broadcast source); English DD 2.0 256kbps, English DTS 5.0
notes: no subs at all; some garbage frames; image width wider than any SDTV and LD versions
EP IV - 1xDVD9 6.62GB
(EP V was announced, but should be confirmed; EP VI not available for sure)
G’Kar - Germany (Premiere); German DD 5.1, English DD 5.1, English DD 2.0
notes: German subs (in picture) for alien dialogs; pink blanket in some scenes
EP IV - 1xDVD5 3.71GB
EP V - 1xDVD5 3.78GB
EP VI - 1xDVD5 4.29GB
TB - Scandinavia (Canal+); English DD 2.0 192kbps
notes: no subs at all; pink blanket in some scenes
EP IV - 1xDVD5 4.45GB
EP V - 1xDVD5 4.37GB
EP VI - 1xDVD5 4.23GB
Reivax - France (Canal+); French DD 2.0, English DD 2.0
EP IV - 1xDVD
RaiTre - Italy (Rai Tre); Italian DD 2.0 384kbps
notes: Italian subs (in picture) for alien dialogs; aspect Ratio cropped to 2.0:1; EP IV has few garbage frames; EP VI missing few frames; completely different color grading from any other sources but 2004 DVD menus.
EP IV - 1xDVD5 4.11GB
EP V - 1xDVD5 4.15GB
EP VI - 2xDVD5 4.96GB
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Star Wars - Theatrical version SDTV
TB - Scandinavia (Canal+); English DD 2.0 192kbps
notes: no subs at all
EP I - 1xDVD5 - 3.99GB
ORF1 - Austria (ORF EINS); German MP3 2.0 192kbps
notes: German alien hardsubs in picture
EP I - 779MB mp4 file - 720x576 anamorphic AVC encoded
EP I -> Germany (Premiere) - to be confirmed
German DD 5.1
Star Wars - Theatrical version HDTV
EP I -> Austria (ORF 1 HD) - to be confirmed
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Star Wars - 2004 Special Edition HDTV (same as DVD)
Premiere - Germany (2007) - h264 25fps 1920x1088 eng+ger audio, eng comm.
Sky - UK (2007) - h264 25fps 1920x1088 eng audio
Sky - UK - h264 25fps 1920x1088 eng+fre audio & subs
should be Sky & Premiere combinedcould be not re-encoded* h264 23.976fps 1920x1080
Cinemax - US 2006 - MPEG2 29.97fps 1920x1080 eng audio
??? (probably Cinemax) - MPEG2 29.97fps 1920x1080
Star.Wars.Episode.II-Attack.Of.The.Clones(2002).HDTV.1080p.ts
a.k.a. StarWars_Episode II_1080p_Remux.ts (19.94 GB = 20908774 KB)
Star Wars 3 Revenge of the Sith.ts (18.49 GB = 19392756 KB)
not found:
Star Wars 1 The Phantom Menace.ts
Premiere - Germany (2006)
Star.Wars.Episode.4.Eine.Neue.Hoffnung.HDTV.1080i.H264.German.AC3.DL.mkv
not found:
Star.Wars.Episode.5.Das.Imperium.Schlägt.Zurück.HDTV.1080i.H264.German.AC3.DL.mkv
Star.Wars.Episode.6.Die.Rückkehr.Der.Jedi-Ritter.HDTV.1080i.H264.German.AC3.DL.mkv
unknown (could be Sky)
Star.Wars.Episode.I-The.Phantom.Menace(1999).HDTV.1080p.ts
Star.Wars.Episode.II-Attack.Of.The.Clones(2002).HDTV.1080p.ts
not found:
Star.Wars.Episode.III-Revenge.Of.The.Sith(2005).HDTV.1080p.ts
Other:
Spike TV (2008) - all six episodes
Dish Network
Comcast - MPEG2 29.97fps 1920x1080
HBO - MPEG2 29.97fps 1920x1080
***** WARNING: RE-ENCODED!!! *** AVOID THESE *****
Star.Wars.Episode.I.The.Phantom.Menace.1999.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.II.Attack.Of.The.Clones.2002.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.III.Revenge.Of.The.Sith.2005.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.IV.A.New.Hope.1977.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.V.The.Empire.Strikes.Back.1980.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Star.Wars.Episode.VI.Return.Of.The.Jedi.1983.1080p.HDTV.x264-hV
Format : x264
Source : HDTV
Resolution : 1920x816
Audio : AC3 5.1 384 kbit/s English
Subtitles : English
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Star Wars - 2011 Special Edition HDTV (same as BD) EXCEPT Ep. IV
Sky Hits cable channel - Germany (may 2017)
Source: Sky hitc DVB-C
Video: AVC, 1080i 25fps 1920x1080 bitrate 5mbps avg 10mbps max
Audio: AC3 2.0 384kbps German, AC3 2.0 192kbps English
Subtitles: German hardcoded, crawler in German as well
Notes: no logo, bit-perfect capture
Notes: more info here http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1075989
HUGE THANKS TO disco4000, who has recorded the broadcast transmission!
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Star Wars - 2011 Special Edition HDTV (same as BD)
WOWOW - Japan (november 2016)
not recorded:
Source : WOWOW HDTV
Video : MPEG-2, 1080i 29.97fps 1920x1080 bitrate 19.5mbps avg 35mbps max
Audio : AAC 5.1 48KHz Japanese vbr
Subtitles: Only for alien dialogs, hardcoded, EP IV in the lower black bar, EP VI in picture
Subtitles: EP VII all hardcoded, one line in black bar, top of the two lines in picture
Notes: Small WOWOW logo on top right black bar
Notes: Color grading: EP IV is different than Blu-ray; EP V VI VII are the same of Blu-ray
Notes: Crawl: EP IV Japanese intro and crawl, EP V English narrated, EP VI English with subs in picture
Notes: Original recorded files include SW specials and spots at the beginning and end
Notes: new files, cut and remuxed to m2ts with tsMuxer, containing only movie
HUGE THANKS TO MOLLY, who has recorded the broadcast transmission!
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Rogue One - A Star Wars Story
Source : НТВ-Плюс (NTV-Plus) HDTV
Video : AVC, 1080i 25fps 1920x1080 bitrate 7mbps avg, cropped to 1.78:1 but with a bit more image on top and bottom in comparison to blu-ray
Audio : AAC 2.0 44.1KHz Russian
Notes: full localization (crawl, title, text, hardcoded subtitles); English closing credits; “кинопремьера” logo on top left
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Some old WOWOW info - should apply to 2004 version, because was posted in 2010
: [名無し]さん(bin+cue).rar[] 投稿日:2010/08/22(日) 10:34:33 ID:NhXBMSwL0 [1/1回(PC)]
再放流お願いします。
サイズが大きいためか、抜けているところが多く完走しません。
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP1(字幕).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 22,255,939,584 a65c83003a97269a463600a4fd57232884802a4b
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP2(吹替え).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 23,366,719,488 33273a597f8a003d53ffc855388757b6f184828c
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP3(吹替え).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 22,890,952,704 19bed94556bbcca61aba3359463e36f41f147d8c
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP4(字幕).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 21,000,781,824 fd79e5f4e5b3e9733bc6ba0e8b06d3e5a04dcc95
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP5(字幕).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 21,007,435,776 f0f8c31937dcd2acd1021611c2ee0c40a7a902fe
(HDTV)(映画)(WOWOW)スターウォーズEP6(字幕).m2ts 拡散波動砲uYptl2LCGu 22,681,411,584 64f6af9489e7162354d2e9a15de855959853284a
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I’m trying to find out which SDTV and HDTV versions of Star Wars are floating around the net, and to understand something more about them…
Some facts (and factoids) I found so far:
Notes:
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Nice summary, thanks for writing it all down.
Darth Id on ‘Why “Ben”?’:
And while we’re at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill’s character “Luke Skywalker,” since it’s my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle. It just doesn’t make sense!
Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle “Luke”!
Damn You!!!
Thanks Intruder!
Database updated.
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Great Work! Thanks for this list.
Does anyone know where to find those French HDF versions? They could be very helpful for version 2 of my HDTV project. PM me if you can help. Thanks.
If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…
schorman13 said:
Great Work! Thanks for this list.
Does anyone know where to find those French HDF versions? They could be very helpful for version 2 of my HDTV project. PM me if you can help. Thanks.
Found them. PM sent.
Thanks for the help stretch009! It seems that ROTJ is still totally missing and ANH is missing part 12. Any help would be much appreciated.
If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…
Every episode is available in h264, while it seems there is no Episode I in MPEG2... anyone could confirm this?
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None of these informations is probably going to be useful, but you never know:
-I "think" (I was just a kid back then :D) in 97-98 Mediaset also broadcasted the OT (probably the 1997 SE) either on Canale5 or Italia1;
-Also, some year after ROTS was released, they also broadcasted all six movies;
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
I'm aware the OT was broadcasted, in Italy as like in all other countries, but it was before DVB... so, if we are lucky, the best we could find out is S-VHS copies, and I think they will surely not be better than GOUT; but you are right, I titled the thread "SDTV & HDTV..." maybe I must change it to "Digital SDTV & HDTV..."!
By the way... benvenuto! (^^,)
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I'm aware the OT was broadcasted, in Italy as like in all other countries, but it was before DVB... so, if we are lucky, the best we could find out is S-VHS copies, and I think they will surely not be better than GOUT; but you are right, I titled the thread "SDTV & HDTV..." maybe I must change it to "Digital SDTV & HDTV..."!
By the way... benvenuto! (^^,)
I see: so the first Mediaset broadcasting I mentioned, either was still "Analog" SDTV or had to be recorded on VHS at that time, right?
In ogni caso, piacere :)
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
Yes, DVB transmissions started around 2004 IIRC, and DVD recorders were available around that year...
The only way to have an high quality OT version - but I strongly doubt it was transmitted - is a D2MAC european satellite broadcast, and a S-VHS (or other high resolution tape recorder) or a MUSE japanese satellite broadcast (using an high def master) and a W-VHS recorder... well, dream is still free - for the moment!
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Update: added a link to a post with some '97 screenshots.
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UPDATE: added some file size, plus the fact that EP1 was broadcasted in PAL 16:9 5.1 by German TV Premiere
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Not sure if this info is of any use but here in Slovakia a private TV "Markiza" showed the 1997 SEs (and theatrical cuts of episodes 1 & 2) about 2 million times since 2002, but dubbed (of course) and in 4:3 (episode 2 was a bizarre mix of cropped 4:3 and 16:9 footage "stretched" to 4:3). The latest broadcast I've seen however was the DVD version (I think cropped to 16:9)
Thanks! Not useful for the *database*, but always interesting to know these info!
I found somewhere that the BD image is about 8% bigger (or the HDTV 8% cropped?) than the HDTV; someone could confim this? And what's about the other episodes?
Also, there was at least a D-VHS recording of a trilogy broadcast, made in 2003, so it was *not* the 2004 DVD version... maybe? (Thanks to Jetrell Fo for the info)
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I found somewhere that the BD image is about 8% bigger (or the HDTV 8% cropped?) than the HDTV; someone could confim this? And what's about the other episodes?
For TPM the HDTV has the same 8% (or I've heard 10%) cropping in many (but not all) shots that the DVD has. The other episodes don't have that problem.
towne32 said:
For TPM the HDTV has the same 8% (or I've heard 10%) cropping in many (but not all) shots that the DVD has. The other episodes don't have that problem.
Thanks for the info! You are right:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/99096
(third images seems to have both images from BD)
But... following this comparison:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/90179
it seems there is at least one shot which has more image on HDTV...
Someone could confirm that the Premiere German HDTV has tiny 8 pixel borders on both sides?
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
But... following this comparison:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/90179
it seems there is at least one shot which has more image on HDTV...
I think I did recently read that there are a very few shots with more image on the DVD/HDTV version. Certainly this shot that was SE'ed in 2011 is less cropped:
http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html (The Neimoidian Viewscreen)
Your screenshots are not working, you can't link directly to Dvdactive. You will need to repost those shots, and host them from an alternate site.
Team Negative1
team_negative1 said:
Your screenshots are not working, you can't link directly to Dvdactive. You will need to repost those shots, and host them from an alternate site.
Team Negative1
Thanks. I changed it.
OK, I searched all the web, from the surface to the deep, and still not found an MPEG2 version of EP1... or, better, there was at least a small version, around 9GB, but I guess there should be another - like the Cinemax ones - around 16/17GB... if someone is aware of its existence, please let me know.
Plus, it will be great to have a confirmation that there is an HDTV of the EP1 theatrical version - as it should have been broadcasted, following few scarces sources - while it seems there were no 1997 SE HDTV broadcast record - even if there are rumors that EP4 and EP5 were transmitted in UK, while EP6 was the 2004 version.
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I'm aware the OT was broadcasted, in Italy as like in all other countries, but it was before DVB... so, if we are lucky, the best we could find out is S-VHS copies, and I think they will surely not be better than GOUT; but you are right, I titled the thread "SDTV & HDTV..." maybe I must change it to "Digital SDTV & HDTV..."!
By the way... benvenuto! (^^,)
I know I've mentioned this here before somewhere but there is a user over at AVSFourms who claims to have recorded the Trilogy using his DVHS system. He responded to me only once and I believe he misunderstood me when I was asking if he'd make me copies. Apparently there were HBO and Cinemax broadcasts.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/34-hdtv-programming/852324-all-6-star-wars-films-hbo-hd-june-1-2-a.html
Yes, I remember it - I even retrieved the discussion on AVS... and noted is not online since few months IIRC... maybe you could try to contact some other AVS members from that very thread.
It will be great if such recordings will surface... it will be hard, frankly, but not impossible, because "I've… seen things you people wouldn't believe…" - as the MPEG2 versions of EP2 and EP3, that frankly I was not aware they exist until I made thorough searches!
At the end, I still got my Rai Tre SE trilogy, and maybe it's the only recording still available nowadays - if only I could find a way to go into their archive and grab those pro tapes somehow... (^^,)
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I sent a pm to another member to see if there was something floating around that I could get ahold of.
Patience is a virtue.
:)
Finger crossed here... even if it's not the original trilogy, it would be a great discovery in the fan restoration world nevertheless!
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