Star Wars: Renascent *** NOW AVAILABLE!!! *** — Page 34

The whole shebang will likely be ready once the download links are ready, cuz why have the page up, then no way to get it? :p Edits get announced officially once everything is ready to go.

Ah, I see!

Ripplin, if you didn't get it today, you'll get it tomorrow.

I'll be shipping one for ady and one for someone else too once I get paid. Ripplin's only cost like three bucks cause it's within the same Province, whereas with the others it would be international.

Got mine, but was gone all day. I'll watch it soon, then I'll be getting in touch with FE personnel about download links and such. Thanks, A-M. :)

That's why I said I'm first gonna watch it, then talk to them about download links. ;) The plan is for me to upload or send copies to someone, but only after I've verified that everything is buttoned up.

Don't worry, I've seen stuff at FE that shouldn't have gone up, too, and hope it doesn't happen again.

Well, I've finished watching, and...

Good news: The bonus features disc is just fine.

Bad news: Neither the DL or .AVI of the movie can be released right now for technical reasons. (see my very last sentence, though, as it may help explain what I'm about to get into now... :p)

Basically, almost the entirety of the AOTC footage 'stutters.' It's as if 1 or 2 out of every 24 frames (can't tell exactly just looking at it) is being skipped, which isn't too noticeable when there is little movement, but as soon as things start moving (people walking, ships flying, etc...), it sticks out like a sore thumb. Very jerky.

Examples of how often this appears and how much time is involved:

0:01:40 to 0:03:44
0:28:12 to 0:39:46
0:54:35 to 1:08:30
1:17:48 to 1:18:21
1:19:05 to 1:19:19
1:20:05 to 1:21:03
1:38:06 to 1:44:20
2:02:02 to 2:03:26
2:12:43 to 2:20:47
2:25:33 to 2:27:11
2:51:08 to 2:52:58

(times approximate, as some scenes, like the first half of the arena fight, seemed ok, but stuff was moving so chaotically it was hard to tell)

This problem doesn't appear in the TPM or ANH:R footage, which tells me it's not a burn problem. I checked this 'stuttering' issue on my PS2, PS3 and computer, and it showed up on both the DL and .AVI versions in all instances. I watched this on a CRT TV and CRT monitor, but I don't think it makes a difference, especially as there was no problem with the ANH:R footage. Since this edit relies so heavily on AOTC, it's gonna have to be re-encoded or...something. (I dunno the technical stuff) I don't think it's a progressive scan issue or whatever (again, I dunno the technical stuff), but maybe you should check this out for yourself, Asteroid-Man, and see if you can see what I saw.

Sorry about this bad news, and I hope it can be fixed easily enough. If I haven't explained something right, or if you know specifically what's going on, let us know!

EDIT 2: I was right the first time, its in the initial file too. This problem can't be fixed and the inconveniences caused to the viewers pales in comparison to the inconveniences of having to buy an American copy (has something to do with the Canadian encoding of AOTC DVD), re-rip it, convert it and re-create the project file (don't have the original project file or computer).

The problem isn't too noticeable, and your eyes will naturally adjust to the video after about a minute of AOTC footage.

The posters, previews, the SW:Reborn preview, the SW:Reborn Prologue and the ESB:Revisited trailer.

TV's Frink said:

Moth3r said:

I have a very bad feeling about this...

Yeah...starting to agree. :-(

You know no one is forcing you to watch it right? I gave this edit my all, and it was my first edit. I spent almost two years on it and there was one technical issue I couldn't overcome. I've re-rendered countless times, bought bigger harddrives, bought a better screen, and bought surround sound to ensure the best results I could. If you DO watch it, just keep in mind that I did everything in my power to make this as enjoyable as I could.

I set out to make myself a Reborn-style edit so that I could watch and enjoy myself. I appreciate everyone's help and input and could never thank them enough, but full out coming out to someone (who has spent almost two years on an edit done on his spare time and who just wanted to give back his finished product in response to all the help and support) and saying you think it'll probably be bad is pretty rude and hurtful.

I don't mean to rant, but that hurt. I did everything I could to make this as enjoyable as possible.

EDIT: This wasn't directed at just you, it was directed at anyone who has/is/will bash me because of this one technical error which I cannot fix.

A-Man, it's because we care about getting this right that we're so concerned. Nobody means to belittle the effort you've put in.

^The bonus disc has "Renascent" trailers, the "Reborn" epilogue and trailer, and some poster images.

Thanks for the explanations, A-Man. I didn't know (or remember?) it had come up before. Dunno if it could've been the solution, but if so, I'd've bought an American copy. I could've bought it for you, had I known! (I would imagine they're pretty cheap on eBay) I can't believe you didn't save anything, though! :o You could've saved everything on the external hard drive (including the programs you need), yes/no? Always a good policy, just in case.

Having seen what has and hasn't been accepted at FE, I...don't know for sure with this one. I have to agree with Frink that most people won't be able to look away, y'know? I'm the type that, once I find something, I keep looking for it until it's gone. (which is why I don't have HDTV, because all I saw were flaws everywhere)

I've seen this issue to an extent in other fanedits before, and they were released anyway, so I'd almost like to send a copy to someone there (boon, I guess) and see what they think.

Since you're unable to fix it yourself, I wonder if an American or UK editor could make it so the framerate is consistent throughout? Seems plausible to me. IF that were possible, would you be willing to do it? Just throwing out an idea. No biggie. :p

Yes, to Roccon you listen. ;) We all know you've put a lot of work into it. Perhaps me more than anyone. It's just that there were some weird vibes early on that some seem unwilling to forget, and nowadays, it's almost always technical details that can hold something back from its true, 100% potential. (especially at FE.org) I can almost guarantee that, even if there was a huge disclaimer beforehand explaining the situation, tons of people would still say 'what's up with the AOTC footage?' Remember the kerfuffle with the workprint version, and how hard we tried to make people understand? Well, some people, if they didn't know beforehand, would be turned off after downloading 7.67 GB and seeing a technical issue, even if it couldn't be helped.

Just trying to be realistic, not hurtful. I like your work and am impressed that your first edit is such an ambitious one! I just think about the last few years of my fanedit fandom and having watched dozens and dozens of other ones and thinking how they relate together, y'know? :)

Did you send out my discs A-man? I may be able to sort out the problem for you and provide an easy fix.

My old computer was too crappy to even display the difference as EVERYTHING was displayed choppy. I'm actually surprised I got this edit done with that piece of junk. I also had it on the external which was funny enough became corrupt after I transferred my movies, programs, papers and music to my new computer.

My opinion is go for it. I didn't start this edit for acceptance of the Fan-Edit community, I did it as a hobby and so I could watch it above all. In appreciation to the fan-edit community for all its input, I'm distributing it to those that I can, which is why I asked Ripplin to get it on FE.org.

Ripplin has seen the issue and commented on it, so if he goes ahead and gets it on FE.org or if he sets up a torrent, I would expect not a single person to blame Ripplin if they find the lag irritating. I've already sat down and watched it with a group of twenty friends who are all fans of Star Wars who all loved it. Some noticed the glitch, others didn't but overall, it didn't change the viewing experience by very much (almost none at all).

You've been warned though, so if you still decide to put the time into downloading it and it irritates you, it's not my fault or Ripplin's or FE.org's.

adywan said:

Did you send out my discs A-man? I may be able to sort out the problem for you and provide an easy fix.

Not yet. I've been waiting for another paycheck. Sending to UK isn't as cheap as sending within my Province. ;)

Ady if you fixed the issue, I would be forever grateful - but of course I don't expect you to.

Asteroid-Man said:

You've been warned though, so if you still decide to put the time into downloading it and it irritates you, it's not my fault or Ripplin's or FE.org's.

Haha! Thanks, pally.

You want I should send a copy to Adywan? I can have it out tomorrow if you give me the go ahead.

Sure, that would help a lot if you sent copies of discs 1-3 to him.