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I don't have a problem myself with watching a low quality proof of concept cut in a small window to access and comment on to aid coming to a better quality version along the line. It does seem a bit strange however that it is this rough (even at this stage) as is asking for donations for what is essentially a straight edit (no new elements created as in projects like Ady's).

It would be a crying shame if the central concept of this project goes into hybernation again as it is such an elegant idea.

I was really looking forward to (as were a lot of people here) the Reborn project proposed by InfoDroid and TJDavis1138 http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-REBORN-The-Complete-Saga/topic/6871/

It was a bad day for all involved (especially ID and TJ who had already put in so much work) when they were forced to abandon their edit.

Looking at the downloads for this rough work copy the interest in this incarnation of the concept is very high.

The call for donations and the over-dwelling on things like ident-logo design needs to stop.

It's a fan-edit that a lot of people want to see and mudding the waters with things like this set back the possibility of seeing this concept (and variations of it) from seeing the light of day.

Ripplin said:

No offense to A-M, I think I should have talked to him first and asked why it is so pixelated and such before I made the torrent. I just figured I don't have any control over the video quality side of things, so just put it up and tell people it's rough.

Maybe he could still make a more watchable copy to distribute. To that end, I dunno what to do now. I think people over at the Noid are gonna hate me when they see it. :p (not understanding the concept of rough drafts and such, y'know?) No matter how much I say it's not my fault, as Adywan and I have said, people will shoot the messenger.

I don't think anyone here will, I also don't think people will shoot the message if they can follow it in a small window and get the basic idea of what the current state of play is.

I think it's more the side issues of asking for donations and the like which gives more cause for concern.

You offered a service to a fellow board user and you should be applauded for that and A-M has put effort in to revive interest in a brilliant idea (possibly the next stage of evolution for Star Wars edits if it was done successfully).

Who cares if people don't understand the idea of Work Copies?

If the edit reaches a successful conclusion it will open up a whole new set of options and will take it's place in the must see list of fan-edits.

The idea of fans adding new life to films has moved from basic editing, to changing the story, through to adding new special effects and elements to editing a whole sequence of films to tell the story in a different order.

It's exciting stuff and hopefully if A-M controls his urge for self promotion the work he does will do that for him.

Work copy or not... It's crazy to release a video like that... It really is strange.

I agree with ADY, the donations conversation needs to end. I will personally be very upset if we get shut down because of this kind of chatter.

Seriously, though. Render out a good quality video... Work print or not. It just turns people off. Not many will want to watch that. Oh, and I really and truly mean all this as constructive criticism. I WANT you to succeed in this edit.

I haven't had a chance to watch it fully yet but the quality is sufficient to follow in a small window.

I will make time to have a good look at it and deliver my comments later but from what I can see it's not really a revamp of the Reborn idea as I understood it because the flashback material doesn't follow Anakin's story to contrast and compare Luke's journey in the same manner that Godfather II does with both generations of the Corleone family.

There is a golden opportunity here to remove the worst of the PT and some of the fat of the OT and make something that sits well as new telling of the story.

So what you need to ask yourself is how much of the PT do you really need to give the backstory of Anakin and the rise of the Empire and how much of the OT can you afford to remove to make way for it?

Do you need the majority of the droid factory and Threepio's head swap from AOTC for example, does that really add new insight into what happens to Luke? Does it explain much about what Anakin later does or how the Empire rises?

If you look at the flashbacks in Godfather II they largely follow in a linear fashion, we see Vito as a child, then a young man and how he rises to the position we finally see him in the first film.

Here the flashbacks jump around a bit more which can make the story a bit difficult to follow.

I would also consider changing the Journal Of The Whills quote as at no point do we hear of a "son of suns" (other than an allusion to Tatooine).

If this mythical saviour was "he who walks the sky" or something like that, it would tie in with the story as both Anakin and Luke (and indeed Leia) are Skywalkers.

As I said earlier I will give a more detailed response when I've had a chance to give the work copy the attention it deserves.

All I can say is WOW!

I have seen ALOT of fanedits,and this is just terrible,I cannot watch it at all,but if I send you the CD that I burned it on can you autograph it?

Ripplin is it true that you do indeed have a waaaay better version that is watchable? or is he blowing smoke up our collective arses?

In all serious though to you Ripplin,I cannot believe you uploaded that,you should have been able to see how bad that was from the start,work print or not,that is NO way to preview a new fanedit.

By the way,what do the folks at FE think about it,that should get very interesting over there.

dark_jedi said:

All I can say is WOW!

I have seen ALOT of fanedits,and this is just terrible,I cannot watch it at all,but if I send you the CD that I burned it on can you autograph it?

Ripplin is it true that you do indeed have a waaaay better version that is watchable? or is he blowing smoke up our collective arses?

 

In all serious though to you Ripplin,I cannot believe you uploaded that,you should have been able to see how bad that was from the start,work print or not,that is NO way to preview a new fanedit.

By the way,what do the folks at FE think about it,that should get very interesting over there.

 

Come on, be fair, sure even as a work copy it would have been a bit more sensible to up the picture quality a tad but it is just a work copy, it can be followed, you can see were the edit points are and access it to the point where constructive suggestions can be made.

I agree offering to autograph copies and all that jazz was an unfortunate display of peacockiness but A-M never said that this current incarnation was meant to be a DVD quality finished product, it's a rough illustration of a work in progress.

One benefit of the low quality was that for a cut that runs in at 4hrs it sure came down fast (even with my crappy connection speed) and it's rather brave to stick the whole thing as it currently stands out to be turned over for inspection (most editors just post the odd scene here and there at this stage).

Ripplin helped out a fellow board user and he should be applauded for doing that, what I love about this place is that people do go out of their way to help people out.

Now if this was put up as the finished product I'd be just as miffed, especially with all the earlier comments but it's clearly marked Work Copy and I can see enough to make comments and suggestions and that's what A-M posted it for.

Bingowings said:

dark_jedi said:

All I can say is WOW!

I have seen ALOT of fanedits,and this is just terrible,I cannot watch it at all,but if I send you the CD that I burned it on can you autograph it?

Ripplin is it true that you do indeed have a waaaay better version that is watchable? or is he blowing smoke up our collective arses?

 

In all serious though to you Ripplin,I cannot believe you uploaded that,you should have been able to see how bad that was from the start,work print or not,that is NO way to preview a new fanedit.

By the way,what do the folks at FE think about it,that should get very interesting over there.

 

Come on, be fair, sure even as a work copy it would have been a bit more sensible to up the picture quality a tad but it is just a work copy, it can be followed, you can see were the edit points are and access it to the point where constructive suggestions can be made.

I agree offering to autograph copies and all that jazz was an unfortunate display of peacockiness but A-M never said that this current incarnation was meant to be a DVD quality finished product, it's a rough illustration of a work in progress.

One benefit of the low quality was that for a cut that runs in at 4hrs it sure came down fast (even with my crappy connection speed) and it's rather brave to stick the whole thing as it currently stands out to be turned over for inspection (most editors just post the odd scene here and there at this stage).

Ripplin helped out a fellow board user and he should be applauded for doing that, what I love about this place is that people do go out of their way to help people out.

Now if this was put up as the finished product I'd be just as miffed, especially with all the earlier comments but it's clearly marked Work Copy and I can see enough to make comments and suggestions and that's what A-M posted it for.

 

 

I agree it does not have to be DVD quality,but how are you suppose to leave comments when it is not watchable,this would look like pure shit on a TV,and way worse on an HDTV,I make edits,and I have reviewed a shitload of edits,I have a TON of edits,I used to be a member at FE,so I know edits.

When you make an edit you are working with DVD quality material,and when you make a xvid of that material it should look damn near the same(unless you don't know how to make xvids).

I am in no way bashin Ripplin,I help out faneditors ALL the time by uploading there works,but when there is a problem I contact the editor and it is fixed ASAP,I personally would have never uploaded this,this is and should be,embarrassing to the editor,to get constructive comments it needs to be watchable all the way through,hell it looks to me like the opening A-MAN intro got more TLC then the film itself.

Well I guess it boils down to this,to each their own,I am used to working and dealing with "Top Notch" Fan Editors,and this comes not even close to our work copies.

I will say this though,I CAN'T WAIT to see this finished DVD in December.

sorry for the harshness A-MAN,but if Ripplin indeed got a "Better" version that what we ALL downloaded that is kind of bullshit don't you think,what makes him so special that we all can't see it and make comments? or do ONLY his comments matter to you?

It would be unwatchable on any television but I shall be watching it in a small window on my laptop.

I think we are all familiar with the source material enough to know what has been moved around to not need to put it on a telly to make an accessment of it as a work in progress.

If A-M was going to do colour correction or adding new effects it would be a bugger because I wouldn't be able to pass judgement on what was added but seeing as it's coming from the DVD versions of AOTC and TPM mixed in with ANH-R as soon as something flashes infront of me I know what I'm seeing.

As I said for a 4hr cut to arrive in a few hours with hardly anyone seeding it and with a middle of nowhere UK connection that was all I need to see to say "No, no, NO. THIS one goes THERE, THAT one goes THERE. ..."

And that's all you need for a work copy of an edit of this kind.