Anymore updates on this one? I've been watching with great interest for about a month now. Truly stunning what can be done with some filters and hard work :)
I'm hoping to see decartoonised versions, it is looking promising so far.
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poita said:
I'm hoping to see decartoonised versions, it is looking promising so far.
Wait... episode one wasn't a cartoon??
It was, hence my hope.
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Interesting that you should say that, I actually thought Ep I was, from a purely visual standpoint, the least cartoonish of all the prequels. Although I'm taking into account that they used more models and stuff like for space ships where as to me the opening sequence of revenge of the sith looks like a video game
Possessed said:
Interesting that you should say that, I actually thought Ep I was, from a purely visual standpoint, the least cartoonish of all the prequels. Although I'm taking into account that they used more models and stuff like for space ships where as to me the opening sequence of revenge of the sith looks like a video game
Mostly it was the colors of Naboo that made it look cartoonish, those crazy green fields. And of course Jar jar was a very cartoon like character. But I agree, I really didn't like the opening sequence of Sith, with the fighters weaving in and out of the big ships, it didn't feel real at all (to me). I don't think emanswfan's project can fix that though...
If I ever manage to tackle editing the prequels in HD, I'd love to use this as my source material.
Thanksfor the comments guys.
@Hal 9000:
Cool, nice to know an editor willing to use this once it is completed.
@Brooks and Possessed: TPM is probably the least cartoony because it was shot on 35mm for the most part and used a decent amount of models and matte paintings which I absolutely love. However, the color has nearly always been screwed up. Naboo, specifically. For colour reference, I've been looking at my bluray of The Sound Of Music and looking it's colors. The setting looks a lot like Naboo but looks beautiful and natural unlike TPM.
Also, that elongated shot in ROTS I have managed to fix in my upcoming edit of it, but it requires adding some additional Clone pilots in shots via Element 3D so I could divide the footage amongst the battle.
Sadly the bad CGI, you can only do so much.
And hopefully, I can really get my workflow of this project down after getting my new computer so I can really start pushing this through and also allow for more screenshots and actual clips.
As I mentioned in a PM, upscaled and "processed" versions of the deleted scenes would be invaluable for fanedits as well.
I'd like to say I do have a better picture of the workflow I'm doing for this project.
As soon as I get my new computer, I will continue the testing phase of this project in which I will finalize the processes needed and the general looks for parts of each of the three films.
After this I will tackle, one film at a time, by didviding each film into color correction sections. This means scenes or parts of scenes are seperately color corrected by themselves, and still in reference to other parts of the film. This is the most efficient way to do this, if I struggle in one section I can go to another section and work on it to rest my mind.
After I'm done with all three films, I'll look at everything together and further tweak the color correction to make the films match as much as possible to themselves and the properly color corrected OT.
Sounds great! I'm actually looking forward to this, as much as I hate the prequels. My thoughts are with this color correction, and bringing the colors closer to the OT, some really neat fanedits could be made, too. We may find a way to fix the prequels yet!
Thanks for all your hard work! It is really appreciated.
I wonder if you've thought about coloring Mace Windu's light saber blue. This project might be a good opportunity to fix a minor bone of contention some of us more conservative fans have with the prequels: Sam Jackson's silly purple saber.
Personally, I doubt anyone's fan edit would be detracted from by doing so. Just a thought.
Hal 9000 said:
I wonder if you've thought about coloring Mace Windu's light saber blue. This project might be a good opportunity to fix a minor bone of contention some of us more conservative fans have with the prequels: Sam Jackson's silly purple saber.
Personally, I doubt anyone's fan edit would be detracted from by doing so. Just a thought.
I've thought about lightsaber and laser colors, and right now I have been changing blue lasers to red and changing Mace's lightsaber to blue.
I'm also thinking about changing a few sabers to yellow maybe (probably for Qui-Gon, Dooku, Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo-Koon, and Kit Fisto), but I haven't decided to implement that idea.
Sounds awesome! I'd recommend avoiding changing Qui-Gon's saber, since its somewhat iconic (and not silly). Dooku might be moot, but I personally wouldn't mind. It would help with editors who don't want him to be a Sith, and probably wouldn't hinder the opposite.
Why is yellow a good idea and purple isn't? Seems silly to me.
Eh, I just think its silly that Jackson has the only non-blue or green saber because he asked for it.
valinkrai said:
Why is yellow a good idea and purple isn't? Seems silly to me.
The point of the yellow saber was to still give the old jedi order a special saber color chosen by few. Technically it only existed in the EU, and was more of a golden color.
One advantage would be to sell off Dooku as some sort of Rogue jedi, who was actually good friends with Qui-Gon, and had Qui-Gon lived, Qui-Gon may actually have joined Dooku. I know it's a weird twist, but it's been discussed before by other editors. I would have also had others have it to show they aren't completely odd out, like I mentioned before.
Now, Mace Windu on the other hand, is stupid. No one else has a purple lightsaber except for him and he's technically the only black jedi. I just think of "the color purple" everytime he pulls out his lightsaber. In other words adds nothing to the story and just makes it further from the OT.
However, it is something I'm sure other editors or even just straight viewers of these might not agree on. Which is why I said I haven't decided to implement it.
There's even new CGI I could do to replace some stuff (probably Coruscant mostly, and a much stripped down opening battle), but again I'm don't think I want to go overboard on these. Also, doing new CGI for parts would delay this project atleast a year, maybe two.
Yellow sabers; whatever. Mace Windu with a blue saber; improvement. Glad you're having fun with things as you're putting in this work.
I think the yellow saber would be a good idea if it was like, the color lightsaber of a Jedi Master. Like when you reach that rank, you get a yellow blade. So, Yoda, Kit Fisto, Mace Windu, etc. would all have yellow lightsabers. But then again, it would be kind of confusing when Obi-Wan becomes a master and joins the council but still has a blue blade... oh well, it's a cool thought nonetheless.
Well the Prequels need every possible improvement they can get ;-)
So it is nice to have this edit as a foundation for new versions of the story that was before the OT ...
If the whole lightsaber debate has a deeper meaning, not just "we didn't see color X in the OT" - saying the colors have a meaning in tradition or aspect of the Force, then go with it - for me it isn't that of a problem, because we had only blue and red until Luke built his green one in ROTJ (and if we go back to concept art, the lightsabers would have been all white!)
My only gripe with the "Clone Wars" is, that we don't see some "old" ships, as with the Y-Wings, those need to be inserted at some point!
Darth Lucas said:
I think the yellow saber would be a good idea if it was like, the color lightsaber of a Jedi Master. Like when you reach that rank, you get a yellow blade. So, Yoda, Kit Fisto, Mace Windu, etc. would all have yellow lightsabers. But then again, it would be kind of confusing when Obi-Wan becomes a master and joins the council but still has a blue blade... oh well, it's a cool thought nonetheless.
I actually like the idea too.
The reason why Obi-Wan still has a blue saber could be because he has to be a senior member of the jedi council before he is given the same privileges as Yoda, Qui-gon etc. So the top ranked Jedi's would be Yoda, Qui-gon, Windu and formally Dooku, all with yellow sabers. The green colour saber can be preserved just for ROTJ where Luke constructs his own lightsaber, and since the jedi council is extinct, it does not matter which colour he chooses.
I dunno, these are just some ideas lol.
I'd say, if you want to do CGI, leave it for a version 2.
As for the lightsabers, I think the best route would be to give ALL the jedi in the PT blue lightsabers. Someone else said it first, but I'll repeat it here. I think it would add some really cool symbolism if all the jedi had blue lightsabers before Luke did, making the color of his saber sort of the indication of a new order. That way there's actually some meaning to the saber colors.
In addition, when you think about it, the fact that the jedi have sabers that are different, vibrant colors is sort of silly. It kind of makes the PT feel more like a cartoon.
Also, I've seen a yellow lightsaber before and they look a little strange.
Mace's saber is the only one that I think "needs" changing, though perhaps the relevant shots could be rendered a handful of times to give fan editors options.
But it's your project, and it is what you deem best.
emanswfan said:
valinkrai said:
Why is yellow a good idea and purple isn't? Seems silly to me.
The point of the yellow saber was to still give the old jedi order a special saber color chosen by few. Technically it only existed in the EU, and was more of a golden color.
One advantage would be to sell off Dooku as some sort of Rogue jedi, who was actually good friends with Qui-Gon, and had Qui-Gon lived, Qui-Gon may actually have joined Dooku. I know it's a weird twist, but it's been discussed before by other editors. I would have also had others have it to show they aren't completely odd out, like I mentioned before.
Now, Mace Windu on the other hand, is stupid. No one else has a purple lightsaber except for him and he's technically the only black jedi. I just think of "the color purple" everytime he pulls out his lightsaber. In other words adds nothing to the story and just makes it further from the OT.
However, it is something I'm sure other editors or even just straight viewers of these might not agree on. Which is why I said I haven't decided to implement it.
There's even new CGI I could do to replace some stuff (probably Coruscant mostly, and a much stripped down opening battle), but again I'm don't think I want to go overboard on these. Also, doing new CGI for parts would delay this project atleast a year, maybe two.
If you do any changes beyond color timing and film grain, I think you should consider making one using them, and one with only the film effects and color timing changes. As someone who's grown used to the purple lightsaber, however pointless, it would be a bit jarring for it to be something else. I still don't see why you would make Dooku yellow though, seeing as it's specifically stated in Episode II he is a full Sith Lord by that time. I do sometimes forget there are no Yellow sabers in G-canon though, I seen to remember seeing an orange lightsaber toy from Hasbro on shelves at KB toys at some point for Ep. II.
valinkrai said:
emanswfan said:
valinkrai said:
Why is yellow a good idea and purple isn't? Seems silly to me.
The point of the yellow saber was to still give the old jedi order a special saber color chosen by few. Technically it only existed in the EU, and was more of a golden color.
One advantage would be to sell off Dooku as some sort of Rogue jedi, who was actually good friends with Qui-Gon, and had Qui-Gon lived, Qui-Gon may actually have joined Dooku. I know it's a weird twist, but it's been discussed before by other editors. I would have also had others have it to show they aren't completely odd out, like I mentioned before.
Now, Mace Windu on the other hand, is stupid. No one else has a purple lightsaber except for him and he's technically the only black jedi. I just think of "the color purple" everytime he pulls out his lightsaber. In other words adds nothing to the story and just makes it further from the OT.
However, it is something I'm sure other editors or even just straight viewers of these might not agree on. Which is why I said I haven't decided to implement it.
There's even new CGI I could do to replace some stuff (probably Coruscant mostly, and a much stripped down opening battle), but again I'm don't think I want to go overboard on these. Also, doing new CGI for parts would delay this project atleast a year, maybe two.
If you do any changes beyond color timing and film grain, I think you should consider making one using them, and one with only the film effects and color timing changes. As someone who's grown used to the purple lightsaber, however pointless, it would be a bit jarring for it to be something else. I still don't see why you would make Dooku yellow though, seeing as it's specifically stated in Episode II he is a full Sith Lord by that time. I do sometimes forget there are no Yellow sabers in G-canon though, I seen to remember seeing an orange lightsaber toy from Hasbro on shelves at KB toys at some point for Ep. II.
There was an orange lightsaber toy on sale for a time that got discontinued really quickly. http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=46306