Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP) — Page 8

analog said:

emanswfan said:

Jetrell Fo said:

With the DTS audio available for these theatrical releases it could prove to be quite a nice set of creations for the fans.

Yes, these will be released with 6.1 DTS-MA tracks like the blurays.  I may age the audio a bit.  I'll probably add some warping, old tube compression, slight clipping from time to time, and some EQ to make the audio match the theatrical sound of ANH.  I'll also try to make the audio sound more on-set, as too many times voices sound dubbed.

Interesting concept for a project. I often thought the prequels lacked some visual character, probably due to II / III using the digital cams.

One thing, and it's just my 2 cents. I don't really know about messing with the audio to the extreme you're thinking.

Not sure I'm down with purposely making all of those changes. Perhaps the thought is less extreme that what you'll end up doing, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents here as "not hugely into all of those ideas on the audio"

One problem I have with many modern movies is the over use of the available dynamic range - dialog being barely audible, other effects nearly blowing your ears out. Not that it's really even a major issue with the prequels, but perhaps a small amount of dynamic range reduction in the form of light compression, topped with a light bit of EQ work wouldn't hurt.. certainly a lot of things to consider, but I'd rather not hear warping, lol ;) ... also, "old tube compression" can be interesting, who knows. I guess it's the "warping" bit that caught my attention, haha.
Carry on. Can't wait to see the results!

edit: and yes, some of the color changes are nice :) Hopefully the final bit seems more like a FILM than a cold digital capture. Interesting stuff, and I do dig the idea.

Of course, anyone who downloads it has the choice to use the filtered audio if wanted or not.  My description probably doesn't sound really accurate to what I mean.  The point would be to make the sound sound like the original ANH theatrical release (except still keeping the 5.1 of course).

The only thing I'm concerned about color wise is Geonosis. It's so memorably red that I feel like the more brown color would be jarring. It might work better in context, but I'm a bit worried. All the other color stuff I could be shown and probably not immediately notice the color differences.

valinkrai said:

The only thing I'm concern about color wise is Geonosis. It's so memorably red that I feel like thr more brown color would be jarring. It might work better in context, but I'm a bit worried. All the other color stuff I could be shown and probably not immediately notice the color differences.

If people would prefer a not radically recolored Geonosis, I can do so.  And honestly, I might not do too much radical color changes, mostly because it can end up looking too unnatural and processed.  This is the reason, that the yellow tint is still existent in the opening battle clip because when you desaturate the ships (or anything gray affected by the yellow tint), you create this artificial look.  I've noticed it in when faneditors have shown images and clips of that scene without the tint.  The same effect is even in Star Wars Revisited, though I don't see it in ESB:R.

this project reminds me of why i liked the 35mm versions of AOTC and ROTS in the theater more than the digital ones.

Here's a revised version of the earlier screenshot I did.  I made it look less modern than the last version and added a slight technicolor filter to it like the Obi-Wan image.  I think this is better.  The skintone was off in the first one too.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36891

New screencap from Utapau in ROTS:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/37344

I think I did a really good job at making the CGI look a lot less CGI-ish and more like physical objects.

emanswfan said:

New screencap from Utapau in ROTS:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/37344

I think I did a really good job at making the CGI look a lot less CGI-ish and more like physical objects.

I love it, but were the rocks not an actual model and not CG?

pittrek said:

emanswfan said:

New screencap from Utapau in ROTS:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/37344

I think I did a really good job at making the CGI look a lot less CGI-ish and more like physical objects.

I love it, but were the rocks not an actual model and not CG?

If I recall correctly from the featurettes on the DVD, they build a large model of the sinkhole, and scanned it in as CGI.  Can't remember if it was used physically for anything.

For ROTS, the models they built they just scanned in to the computer for CGI.  I'm certain, they never shot an actual model during ROTS.  It gave it more detail, but you still get that CGI feel.

I was bored so I took one of Angel's old concepts and put it into motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qIAtNpRAI0

Youtube Description:

This the color grading used in this screenshot here, and applying it to ATOC in video:

http://swremixed.deviantart.com/art/SW2-AOTC-ReColor-Test-05-126947799

This is not the theatrical cut, but is a rough cut of the way I want my arena sequence to flow.

Hmmm. The video is really, really blue - there's no white at all, and everything looks blue-ish. Somehow, what used to be white is also blown-out looking, but it might have been blown-out in the original?

The still might not be a great color-reference... 

emanswfan said:

For ROTS, the models they built they just scanned in to the computer for CGI.  I'm certain, they never shot an actual model during ROTS.  It gave it more detail, but you still get that CGI feel.

Oh, thanks for the correction then

Joel said:

Hmmm. The video is really, really blue - there's no white at all, and everything looks blue-ish. Somehow, what used to be white is also blown-out looking, but it might have been blown-out in the original?

The still might not be a great color-reference... 

It's not what I'm using for this project, I just wanted to see what the shot would look like in motion.

EyeShotFirst said:

I tried the exact same thing you did a couple of years ago. It's not to hard to fix geonosis in photoshop frame by frame, but fixing the entire scene would take an unimaginable amount of work.

I guess it could be possible shot by shot, but even then I don't think this project is here for those kind of colors.  As long as I atleast fix red tint in the image, it's probably okay.

EyeShotFirst said:

...George decided to slap damn near skin tone on the whole scene.

This.  Exactly why Geonosis is so hard to possibly get right.  I do have AE CC, so I could see how well the new rotoscoping tools are, and if they are fast, relatively easy, and quality enough to use in these sequences.

Hal 9000 said:

Just curious, but do you know if there are any decent programs or plug-ins that can add realistic 35mm film grain? 

I have no skill in this area, and even if I end up making use of your promising project, I would still need to apply something to the other sources of footage I'm using to have things match up. Plus it'd be cool to keep in mind for other things. 

What other sources are you using?

By the way emanswfan, I have to admit when you started this project I was skeptical, but you've totally sold me. I cannot wait to see this.

This has to be one of the worst shots in the entire PT.  It's all CGI crappiness and over contrasted digital ugliness.  There's major missing highlight detail and everything.  I started fixing that.  (note, I didn't do much of any color correction, there's weird colors still existent from the original that I didn't bother with here, since I'm still working on getting that film look, and the highlights a clipping a bit in the clouds too, along with the distant star destroyers loosing some detail.)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/38283

emanswfan said:

This has to be one of the worst shots in the entire PT.  It's all CGI crappiness and over contrasted digital ugliness.  There's major missing highlight detail and everything.  I started fixing that.  (note, I didn't do much of any color correction, there's weird colors still existent from the original that I didn't bother with here, since I'm still working on getting that film look, and the highlights a clipping a bit in the clouds too, along with the distant star destroyers loosing some detail.)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/38283

That's objectively a million times better.