Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released) — Page 76

Darth, What's His Name? said:

I don't see that at all. Either on my 24" wide screen monitor or my 58" tv.

I took a few screenshots to illustrate what I think dark_jedi is talking about.  It's especially noticeable in the shot where Luke is running to Beru.  The blue sky nearly disappears with the blockiness, and the blocks are "dancing" like crazy.

http://img339.imageshack.us/g/26606916.png/

EDIT: After reading dark_jedi's post about tv settings, maybe my monitor is just wonky.  I'm gonna try them on my 42" plasma. 

Ok, I don't know if I'm the last tester out or not, but I think it's pretty safe to let these beasts out now, d_j's V3 that is. I didn't notice any sync issues at all on any of the audio tracks, though I'm not as familiar with Jedi as with the other films, but everything sounds correct on that one as well.

Just to have the two 35mm Dolby Stereo mixes for Empire and Jedi synced to the GOUT on its own is a reason to get this set and a great gift to the SW-community. Well done, d_j! And let's not forget hairy_hen's beautiful reconstruction! :)

I also think you struck a quite good balance in the color tweaking of SW, I know this is already too late, but for Empire and Jedi I think you could've boosted the colors a little bit more without hurting the picture, maybe something to consider for your current project.

Unfortunately I must echo what the other reviewers have said about slightly overscanned menus, layer-breaks and chapter points issues, but that is minor things that you may be able to correct before uploading.

Thanks to everyone involved in this set, and to dark_jedi for compiling it all together! 

FunkyDays said:

dark_jedi said:

This is a sample I whipped up to show you the problems I am having, look at where the sky meets the ground, watch when Luke runs over to Beru, look over Owens shoulder, and when Owen calls Luke over with him and 3PO, this is a very small clip with no audio.

I still have other setting to try but this is my problem.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/sg0l1o

Whoa!  I see it plain as day even on my computer monitor.  In the first shot that shows the entire sky, blocks are dancing around like a "spectrum analyzer".  When Luke is running to Beru it kind of looks like he's in a sandstorm, and when he's looking down speaking to her it looks like plagues of locusts are flying around, but seem to fly up and out of the shot.  Very weird.  I wish I knew what to tell you :-(  Adywan's explanation of why the grain is so heavy in these shots makes perfect sense, but what I'm seeing is definitely not normal film grain, or even "heavy" film grain. I would think that it is possible that the heavy handed noise reduction originally used in the GOUT mastering made the "heavy" grain look blocky and upsampling to a higher resolution only makes it more apparent.  But it also looks like something going crazy during the encoding.

Without looking at the video, it sounds like DCT blocks?

Read here --
http://kvcd.net/sansgrip/avisynth/Noise_Generators-readme.html
http://kvcd.net/sansgrip/avisynth/Blockbuster-readme.html

Can anybody post some captures of the JSC RotJ? I'd like to know if it looks as awful as the letterbox VHS.

Wrong thread?

Shouldn't be the wrong thread, I'm referring to the v2 bonuses DJ released to a few people.

Or any other capture will do, I suppose.

Well, I think that's the whole point of the name GOUT. It is supposed to be funny and it is a name for a diseased release ;-)

Well, I try not to use that term outside of this forum (because a lot of people don't know it) but sometimes it's hard to know what else to call it. I usually call it "the shitty DVD" or "the DVD from the laserdisc master" or of course "the 2006 DVD" but that is all quite long. What do you call it?

dark_jedi said:

I actually HATE the term GOUT, just sounds stupid to me, like a disease or something.

There IS a disease called "Gout"....

...but you probably already knew that...

dark_jedi: For the V3 DVD set; now that we know it's possible to get a lot closer to the vibrant original film colors without causing overly red skin tones (a big thanks to everyone for working on finding color correction settings that can actually do that), will you be applying the latest color correction methods to the V3 lossless AVI before releasing the V3 DVD set, similar to what LeeThorogood has done with his newest color correction settings (but perhaps with adjustments to what you think is more accurate)?

And if you are, will you also adjust that color correction in some scenes where the general setting might be more problematic?

Thanks for any info. :)

dark_jedi: I just meant using the new adjustment methods posted by mother and others that were able to get stronger more accurate colors without the flesh tones going too red, I didn't mean copying LeeThorogood's particular settings as exactly as they are (I also think the flesh tones are too dark, at least in many of the scenes).

And I only mentioned it because you seemed interested in trying to get the colors more accurate using these new methods of fine color adjustment for this HD set, so I thought to might want to apply it to the V3 set also. Since most who have seen these new screen shots using the new color correction methods that have been posted in several threads here have liked them overall, even if there is still some significant fine tuning needed to get them right. :)

Ah, I see what you mean. Well, I figured if you thought these new color correction methods were so good that they should be in the Blu-Ray set, then they must be good enough for the V3 DVD set also. :)

Since I assume you're not also going to make a separate Blu-Ray without the new color corrections (assuming you think they are that good), meaning the Blu-Ray would only be available with the new color corrections, that you'd want the DVD set to have it also.

And I agree that there were lots of debates about the color correction in the V3 set before, but most agreed that your current V3 settings are very good, while avoiding the problem of red flesh tones. But that was before these new color correction methods were available, some of the new screen shots posted look amazing and most seem to like them better than anything we've seen before. And with your good eye towards avoiding flesh tone problems, I imagine you would choose an excellent set of color correction values that would bring the colors closer to the original film colors than ever before on home video, while avoiding the skin tone problems. Anyhow, just a thought. :)

All the same, looking forward to downloading the DVD version... when you make it available for everyone to see.

personally im not into Blu-Ray.