Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released) — Page 37

Doctor M said:

Maybe George Lucas' name should be removed since he has divorced himself from the original theatrical cut...

Yeah, but now it is spelled 'Luca$'

It seems totally backwards to look forward to a set of movies based on the covers, but now I'm more excited than ever.  Those covers are great!

Personally I'd leave "Lucas" as it was originally.  Changing it to "Luca$" or removing him entirely sort of flies in the face of what is being done here - restoring the originals.  Like him or not now, he did create the original movies.

*2 cents*

Well, the 1986 laserdisc is the only possible source for the 1983 theatrical mix.  And if there's no difference between that and the 1987 LD, maybe there never was a 1985 remix for Jedi?

Either way, if there really is no difference, that means it would be either:

1983 Theatrical Stereo
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

OR

1985 Home Video Stereo Remix
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

If there truly is no difference between the two, I'd venture a guess that there was no 1985 remix for Jedi, and that Star Wars and ESB were remixed in order to bring them up to the quality level of Jedi's mix.

Oh, and ABC - I liked the first back cover you had for Star Wars better.  It fits better with the ESB and ROTJ teaser posters, IMO.

Darth Mallwalker said:

dark_jedi said:

The Return Of The Jedi
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1983 Theatrical Stereo-- '85 Home Video ...... from 1986 laserdisc
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1985 Home Video Stereo Remix .................... from 1987 laserdisc
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

There I fixed it for you

So your disc will have two copies of '85 Home Video'
I wonder why you chose to do it that way?

Just wanted to waste some bit rate?
No seriously ... did you find some differences between them? Care to share?
I haven't found any, and hairy_hen didn't notice any in the short section I sent him.

Maybe you just want to preserve those two particular laserdiscs ... not that there's anything wrong with it!
In that case, don't you think they should be labelled that way?

 

I never claimed to be an audio expert in these matters, if you are and you say they are the same then obviously I will ditch one, I just love the way some people spot and report errors.

Honestly I never realized there were so many differences in the audio from the start, I actually have been relying on ChainsawAsh for a lot of help on this through PM's, I LOVE the Star Wars movies but I do not live and breath Star Wars like some here, it does not run my life.

Seriously, though, why would they remix Jedi in 1985 anyway?  The movie only came out two years prior.  It makes much more sense for them to remix Star Wars and Empire to bring them closer to the quality level of Jedi's 1983 mix.

It's my gut feeling that both the 1986 and 1987 laserdiscs carry the original 1983 audio mix.

ChainsawAsh said:

Oh, and ABC - I liked the first back cover you had for Star Wars better.  It fits better with the ESB and ROTJ teaser posters, IMO.

If you mean the one with Ben and Luke from the Quad style poster, it will be included. Only ESB has no alt version, when it will be the only one to have a alt one for the horizontal format.

... So, do I have to change RotJ specs after the last discussion ?

PS to Frink: don't worry for the "$". It's only for the SE and the prequels posters. (But don't owe on me for these).

Leguman said:

... So, do I have to change RotJ specs after the last discussion ?

 

Yes, I am talking with CA now to figure out what to put there now, Thanks again Leguman for doing these up, they really look SWEET!

@Leguman, this is what it will be now:

The Return Of The Jedi
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1983 Theatrical Stereo
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

Leguman said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Oh, and ABC - I liked the first back cover you had for Star Wars better.  It fits better with the ESB and ROTJ teaser posters, IMO.

If you mean the one with Ben and Luke from the Quad style poster, it will be included.

That's the one.  Glad to hear you're not getting rid of it.

Did you ever notice both SW & RotJ crawls finish with the exact same words: "... To restore the freedom into the Galaxy" ?! First time I do.

What about "... To restore good Taste and Quality into Lucas Galaxy" ?

When I think... the highest supervisor of Arts in christian culture is Luke the Evangelist (Ancient Greek: Λουκàς, Loukas) then Lucas! There must be something.

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Also, Star Wars and ESB end with four dots ("freedom to the galaxy...." and "far reaches of space...."), while ROTJ ends with three dots ("freedom to the galaxy..."), the only one of all six films to do so.

... You'll forgive me then, I only noticed this on ESB and I corrected it !

I'll stamp it on SW.

You know it's a little like old books. There are mistakes and preconceived ideas in sciences that are still repeated nowadays. And much again with Internet via renewed availability (Google books for instance).

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FRACKIN NICE Leguman!

Those covers are looking pretty awesome.

As far as the home stereo remixes go, I'm pretty dang certain that only Star Wars was ever really redone in 1985.  From the samples that Darth Mallwalker sent me, I didn't detect any differences at all in either Empire or Jedi between the initial laserdisc release and the Japanese Special Collection (aside from the JSC being at a lower level).  They are most definitely the exact same mix.

The Special Widescreen Edition of Jedi contains a stereo track that has certainly undergone some remastering, but not remixing.  The peak volumes are flattened out and lowered by a couple decibels, which is readily visible from looking at the waveforms; but even with this change, there is very little audible difference from the earlier versions once the higher average volume is accounted for.  It is undoubtedly the same mix as before, simply remastered with some slight peak limiting for whatever reason.  I haven't heard the SWE for Empire, but if anything was done it probably amounts to no more difference than this, either.

Even the 1985 mix of Star Wars is nearly identical to the original stereo version.  The only real change is the inclusion of C-3PO's line about the tractor beam being connected to the main reactor in seven locations, and some apparent widening to the stereo image according to Belbucus.  With the sole exception of the one line of dialogue, I don't think they actually 'remixed' anything for this either, simply remastered and processed for better home sound quality.

None of the 35mm mixes have as wide a stereo image as the 70mm and 1993 versions.  This is particularly noticeable in the music, and I would hazard a guess that this was probably intended to limit the amount of unwanted sound being sent to the rear channel when upmixed in Dolby Surround.

So it's probably not necessary to include two copies of what is essentially the same mix, for either ESB or RotJ.  Even with SW there's not much difference, but there it's justified since there is actual change to the content.

OK, so what tracks should be included or not for each movie? this is getting to damn confusing.

@ Leguman, you might want to wait a bit, it seems the specs are going to change again, but trust me, this will be the last time specs change.

Leguman is angry... And you know what it gives when Leguman is angry ???

Damn ! I Don't think I've kept the nice color fixings I made for the final SW and RotJ backcovers !!... You know, I have X layers on my originals now for tries ect.., but these final fixings has been made on copies. Cause of course I assumed as I warned I was gonna make it to lightspeed, that everything was clear between all your stuff guys.

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHH !

... I was just about to send you the stuff I took hours to fix this evening !

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I'd say keep it the same for Star Wars, since there is noticeable difference between all the versions included on there.  The other two can just be the stereo, 5.1, and 1993 mixes.

Since they likely weren't '85-remixed, it's probably safe to call them the theatrical mixes from 1980 and 1983.

... So, can you sum up please ? Cause if you guys are trying to figure it out since the beginning (that I haven't followed), I'm not trying to understand at all. My brain currently doesn't work.

Remember: a vegetable DOESN'T THINK. I'll just copy and paste the infos.

Edit: wait, I have just to remove the 1985 from Empire then...?