Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released) — Page 14

Ripplin said:

dark_jedi said:

A B C said:

That said I'd have love to have been able to try reediting and layer something like my work on ESB... Just only a dream...

What do you mean by this, making a score only soundtrack on the film? if that is what you mean that would be very cool.

Very cool indeed. The only fan disc I can think of with an isolated score is one EditDroid did, but I'm sure there are others. What an excellent [other] way it would be to enjoy A B C's work. Could [hypothetically] be done with all three movies, as he has remastered the entire originally trilogy...more than once.

 That was not what I meant but I realize what I said would involve an extreme complexity: to layer the soundtrack ON the film soundtrack (and mix). However that's what I've done for the AE for a bunch of tracks (LP + session mixes)... And believe me, the waveform from the LP's are completely different than the session mixes. All has been synchronized with a pair of ears, and I sometime had to force myself not to focus on the waveform not to be fooled!

For what is the indeed cool idea to make a score version of the film, I mentionned it earlier in adywan's reconstruction thread saying how much I was impressed by the work on lights and shadows (the photography) in that movie ! I watched a few in black and white and it lost nothing from this charm. That led me to the idea a score version would be so great featured in ESB on a black and white version, notably if removing the colours allow more space for the sound bitrate.

... And we're of course talking about the original scoring ( = complete, or almost).

Ripplin said:

The only fan disc I can think of with an isolated score is one EditDroid did, but I'm sure there are others.

OCP had an isolated score on all three of his Classic Editions.  And adywan has an isolated score on the DVD-9 of ANH:R.

Isolated film score or original scoring ?...

PS: hope I haven't thrown a cold by speaking of a black and white version. But *imo*, it would only work with ESB. The other films have not this particular fine photography.

Check your PM's, DJ.  

Ripplin said:

... Could [hypothetically] be done with all three movies, as he has remastered the entire originally trilogy...more than once.

 Btw, of course you can use them as you wish but I would highly recommand you don't lose your time with my RotJ version... That's not modesty at all: it really has some abusive settings, and has unfortunately relatively huge clippings in the louder passages. I improved it and corrupted it in the same time ! :/  ... Yeah, sorry.

D_J, for what are your answers about my previous questions well, I don't figure out really what tools are used to manage the mixes for the films. I don't even know if upmixing stereo to 5.1 is done automaticly with a software or if you have to do it with your own hands.

All That I know is that, as I said earlier, if I had to make such upmix for myself I would rebuild the channels in order to bring a new relief through EQ's for each pair of tracks, as for the main center one. Anyway, in the end I may be definitely more interested in stereo.

But I think we'll end that here. It's too much a pain for me to share my point in English ! ;)

A B C said:

D_J, for what are your answers about my previous questions well

 

I answered some questions back on page 13, if there is something I missed point me to it and I will answer.

A B C said:

Isolated film score or original scoring ?...

Honestly I have no idea, as I am not hugely into movie soundtracks and don't know the details.

As I assumed.  So yes, OCP had these and ANH:R has it.

So what is the quality lie on the ocp DVD's? I would like to use ABC's for ESB.

adywan said:

Dark_Jedi, just a quick question. I have just seen your pan and scan laserdisc versions appear over at a.b.starwars. Does the ESB one contain the 1980 stereo mix as i'd love to hear this?

The '80 mix is what I am working on syncing now, although soon as my testers report back, I think I have it done.

Now I have all the Isolated Scores to all 3 films, thanks to ocp's classic editions, I actually tried to sync up ABC's Audiophile ESB but it is just way beyond me.

TV's Frink said:

A B C said:

Isolated film score or original scoring ?...

Honestly I have no idea, as I am not hugely into movie soundtracks and don't know the details.

The ESB original score has about 20 min of music unused in the film so you know, and about 3/4 of them are made for sequences used in the film while the 1/4 left has been cut.

Now as a last note about this, an isolated score on a film may be interesting. However I'd find more interesting a fully musical presentation: the complete score, with all the sequences that fit re-edited as video clips... Like the "Star Wars Musical Journey" if you want, but with the exact scenes that the score means to accompany (what would allow to replace the few missing sequences).

... And a bitrate at 1411kbps would be the best :) The idea would almost deserve a topic.

The isolated scores on the Classic Editions are the same as the ones on the Editdroid discs, but the sync on the Classic Editions is sometimes incorrect, most likely due to differing frame counts.

They also don't sound anywhere near as good as ABC's work, since they just used the SE versions.

I was toying with idea of synching ABC's tracks to the films to create new isolated scores, but that would not be for a while.  I'd rather have such a thing on its own disc rather than trying to squeeze more and more tracks onto a single dvd, anyway.

msycamore said:

you list '77 Dolby Stereo and '77 mono and also a 35mm Stereo maybe it's just a small mistake of you but the '77 mono and stereo tracks are 35mm.

So they are the same? why didn't anyone tell me this sooner? I just see all these damn numbers and assume they are all different, and I don't even know what the '85 mix is or what it is on, I told you I am not an audio guy LOL, that is why I asked is there anything written somewhere to actually see what is different between mixes, and what is out there and what is not.

So is the '85 mix stereo needed for SW?

DJ, your post implied that you were putting the 35mm stereo mix on the DVD twice (you listed "77 stereo" and "35mm stereo" seperately).  msycamore was confused by this and assumed that when you said "35mm stereo," you meant "85 stereo."

The only difference I know of between the 77 and 85 stereo is, as msycamore said, 3PO's tractor beam line from the mono mix, which isn't in any other version until 1997.  I feel like there are a couple other differences, but I don't know for sure.

Honestly, I'd agree with msycamore - drop the 85 stereo and 93 stereo, and just include the theatrical mixes (77 stereo and 77 mono) and hairy_hen's 5.1 track (in ANH's case, a recreation of the 77 six-track 70mm).

I like the 85 stereo. :-( Perhaps you could follow mysycamore's advice about the theatrical mixes but put the other synced audio mixes in the DVD-ROM folder so people could mux them if they want to do so.