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nightstalkerpoet said:
Where can I track down the new JSC?
a.b.starwars
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Star Wars Laserdisc Preservations. See 1st Post for Updates. — Page 22
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AntcuFaalb said:
One interesting thing about the Technidisc SWE is that it has baked-in rainbowing. That is, it has rainbowing baked-in to the master that can't be removed via the phase inversion that comb filters rely on.
Darn =(
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althor1138 said:
It is a 5 capture average and has been upscaled to 720p whereas the BD25 was a single capture and 480i. It also includes the japanese subtitles in the bottom black bar.
Nicely done, It looks Excellent.
Thanks!
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Asaki said:
AntcuFaalb said:
One interesting thing about the Technidisc SWE is that it has baked-in rainbowing. That is, it has rainbowing baked-in to the master that can't be removed via the phase inversion that comb filters rely on.
Darn =(
This doesn't mean we can't get rid of it. It just means that we have to low-pass filter the chroma which is fine since there's very little effective chroma resolution in the Technidisc SWE master anyway.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
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AntcuFaalb said:
Asaki said:
AntcuFaalb said:
One interesting thing about the Technidisc SWE is that it has baked-in rainbowing. That is, it has rainbowing baked-in to the master that can't be removed via the phase inversion that comb filters rely on.
Darn =(
This doesn't mean we can't get rid of it. It just means that we have to low-pass filter the chroma which is fine since there's very little effective chroma resolution in the Technidisc SWE master anyway.
I've always wondered with all the projects out there why there hasn't been more focus on this disc. It's the best looking OUT source there is imo.
I guess technical issues you mention, as well as a lot of frame problems I don't really understand(?) must be the reason(s)? I remember msycamore mentioning being unhappy with efforts in trying to deal with the rainbowing problem.
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dave88 said:
I've always wondered with all the projects out there why there hasn't been more focus on this disc. It's the best looking OUT source there is imo.
I disagree since I think the JSC looks the best, but I definitely think it's worthy of preservation which is why I'm working on it at the moment. :o)
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
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AntcuFaalb said:
dave88 said:
I've always wondered with all the projects out there why there hasn't been more focus on this disc. It's the best looking OUT source there is imo.
I disagree since I think the JSC looks the best, but I definitely think it's worthy of preservation which is why I'm working on it at the moment. :o)
I just watched Althor's new JSC and I have to agree, they're easily the two best sources.
I guess it's probably the color that is the deciding factor for me. It may not be theatrically accurate, but I really like the color on the Technidisc.
So I really look forward to checking out your preservation.
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stretch009 said: It really looks great except for the Japanese subs. Do you think you could possibly upload it again but without the Japanese subtitles?
I second that. I'd rather not have to recompress the video to remove the subtitles. For me, it's unwatchable with them.
And what's up with the AR of the new encodings? The new JSC encoding is about 2.56:1, which could well match what is on the LD, but the encoding of the Mitsubishi LD of ESB is about 3.12:1. Surely that's not what's on the disc.
The Fox LD is about 1.16:1. I rather like the way the video looks.
As always, thanks for the releases, althor. Your LD captures are great.
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CAN YOU PLEASE UPLOAD THIS TO MY FUCKING SPLEEN?!? :)
-G
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Haha. Atm, I have no plans of doing an encode without subtitles since I am knee deep in about 3-5 ld's at a time right now. When I'm done with the jsc trilogy I might put them on the spleen all at once without subs.
As far as AR I always use the same formula for widescreen LD's. I crop to the picture height (y). Then I do this to get the new picture height (z):
1280 x Y / 720 = Z
I noticed that about ESB as well but I figured I'd represent it like it was on the laserdisc.
The Fox LD is imo a massive achievement thanks to Darth Mallwalker's IVTC/gout-sync script. I rather like the way it looks as well considering it had some rot on side 1.
Luke threw twice…maybe.
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"baked in" rainbowing on DVD's is the result of bad comb filtering in the DVD mastering process - the analogue on LD's would be comb filter failure for whatever reason.
There are encoding techniques that reduce rainbowing etc such as SuperNTSC, and Technidisc apparently never used any of them. So there are areas where there's a lot more rainbowing than say the DC LD, like the Star Destroyer shot as it picks up the Tantive.
Here's a comparison of one of the test lines in every frame of most non-THX disks... - left is the Pioneer reference disk (frame 6000 or so), right is the Technidisc SWE: http://imgur.com/FErYGpa - the Technidisc color area on the right is simply really noisy. (A lot of LD's are)
Technidisc vs DC: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146021 and http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146024 - both of them were done with 3D comb filtering.
As for the JSC, it should be possible with a fancy player to reframe the picture to cut out the Japanese subtitles. I bet VLC can do it, and mplayer/mpv with the right options definitely can.
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I had postponed downloading 1130-80 until next week when I'm off work.Chewtobacca said:
The Fox LD is about 1.16:1.
I do want to check out althor's deliberate creative decisions.
This morning I grabbed just the first rar part-- enough to see that Chew is right.
Something's amiss
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
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Huh. I looked at the script and it seems I resized it to 860x720 before adding borders and it probably should have been 960x720. You were also right about the SWE-ESB-mitsubishi. It should be more around 2.59 AR instead of 3.12.
At least I wasn't that guy that crashed the probe into mars because of one too many zeros :). It looks like the other releases are sized properly but if anybody notices anything let me know. I will definitely spend some extra time checking that next time.
I will make note of and fix this. When all of these are finished I'm probably going to put together a mega-release sort of like schorman's laserdisc audio archive.
The fixes will all go into that release. I still have all of the raw files and scripts so making changes is possible without recapturing thankfully.
Luke threw twice…maybe.
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That nominal analog blanking shit always confused me,althor1138 said:
Huh. I looked at the script and it seems I resized it to 860x720 before adding borders and it probably should have been 960x720.
but I would've thought 704 --> 960
or 720 --> 982-ish if you like to keep the overscan.
Don't get discouraged! You can worry about that some other day...
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
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AntcuFaalb said:
This doesn't mean we can't get rid of it.
Yes, but it would have been awesome to see the phase inversion work its magic =)
AntcuFaalb said:
I disagree since I think the JSC looks the best...
I've said this before, but while I like the JSC, the sharpness looks very artificial to me. Also, the color bleeding looks pretty bad, although this may be repairable?
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Darth Mallwalker said:That nominal analog blanking shit always confused me,
but I would've thought 704 --> 960
or 720 --> 982-ish if you like to keep the overscan.
Yes. If althor's keeping the pillarboxing, which he is, then 720→984.
The pillarboxing fluctuates considerably in thickness throughout LDs, which means that cropping it off before resizing requires breaking the video into sections, cropping them appropriately, and then splicing them back together. Needless to say, this is laborious, and I don't suppose that althor has the time.
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Yeah. I contemplated breaking up the sections with different sizes and cropping them, etc., but as you say it varies wildly and takes up a bit of time. I figure as long as the existing black bars are set to black then it shouldn't really matter and makes it easier for me to just use one consistent sizing scheme.
So, I guess in the future I'll be resizing the P&S releases to 984x720 then adding 148 rows of black pixels on the left and right sides to reach a final resolution of 1280x720.
I don't know why but header checking has stopped working when I post to usenet. This means that the last couple of posts have a part missing from each file. This should be repairable with the par files but I don't know how to fix the header check problem. It's always worked flawlessly since I switched to jbinup. I've contacted my usenet provider to see what's up since I believe it is something on their side. Hopefully it resolves itself by the next time I need to post something.
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Asaki said:
AntcuFaalb said:
I disagree since I think the JSC looks the best...I've said this before, but while I like the JSC, the sharpness looks very artificial to me. Also, the color bleeding looks pretty bad, although this may be repairable?
The color bleeding isn't present in the source. It's an artifact from the 3D comb filters used in the previous preservations.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
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The binary sunset is pretty bad though. That must be in the source, right?
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althor1138 said:
The binary sunset is pretty bad though. That must be in the source, right?
It may very well be. I'm not sure.
I haven't yet had an opportunity to look at your JSC preservations closely. Do you see the color bleeding (excluding the binary sunset) everyone talks about?
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The only time I really notice it is around red lights and a little bit around the blue ones. As you say though, there is perhaps a way to eliminate that with the right comb filter.
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AntcuFaalb said:
The color bleeding isn't present in the source. It's an artifact from the 3D comb filters used in the previous preservations.
That's the first time I've heard this, would be cool to see that fixed.
Or...not repeated, I guess?
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I'm working on the US 97SE boxset atm. Mostly because I've already got the 5 capture average/IVTC finished from awhile back. I've decided to use CapableMetal's project to integrate the cinema dts/laserdisc 5.1 mixes since he has posted everything I need including audio sync'ed video sources so that I can compare against my IVTC and insert/delete frames where needed.
I'd like to include all three films with the extra material into one mkv file. I'll have to figure out if it's possible to integrate all 3 films with chapters so that they can be separately demuxed. Also, I think some of the extra material is 29.97i video so I have to figure out if that stuff can be appended to 23.976fps material.
Luke threw twice…maybe.
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I'm going to upload the final versions of the cinema DTS soon, I intended to get it done ages ago but haven't had much time over the last few of months to do so. They are finished, though ESB might need a quick tweak. I hope to have it available this week. I just need to make final checks to make sure its all finished so I can move on to other things.
I've downloaded your latest JSC capture of Star Wars. I'm really looking forward to checking it out given the results you have achieved in the past.
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CapableMetal said:
I've downloaded your latest JSC capture of Star Wars.
Is this not on Spleen yet?
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