happycube said:
It'd be awesome if the whole movie was anamorphic! (But I have doubts, it might cut to regular size after the first shot transition)
My guess is that they just transferred the '81 crawl flat up to the splice point.
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AntcuFaalb said:
happycube said:
It'd be awesome if the whole movie was anamorphic! (But I have doubts, it might cut to regular size after the first shot transition)
My guess is that they just transferred the '81 crawl flat up to the splice point.
That is correct. The '82 PAL Laserdisc and the earlier PAL VHS releases are pan & scan after the opening shot.
Figured. It would've been so awesome if it was Accidentally Anamorphic, though.
I remember getting an early used copy of On Her Majesty's Secret Service that was, and I have a rather rotted Norma Rae NTSC LD that's squeezed.
CapableMetal said:
That is correct. The '82 PAL Laserdisc and the earlier PAL VHS releases are pan & scan after the opening shot.
Still, it could be used for eventual restorations, because it *could* be better than the NTSC GOUT - anamorphic PAL would have 1.6x the resolution of a letterbox NTSC; captured via happycube method, upscaled with SR, refined with carefully chosen filters, could be a very good intro... or not?
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The GOUT's opening shot is already cleaner than the rest of it, but for PaNup™ it certainly wouldn't hurt!
If the disk was all squeezed, I would be trying to get my hands on at least two copies... PDO UK rot is (a) all to common and (b) completely different than other rotters. On most LD's the signal is destroyed in small spots but the rest of it's just fine usually, but with PDO the reflectiveness itself is reduced all over the disk and SNR is quite low.
So to get a good quality PDO UK rot capture at least two/three copies need to be averaged, whereas a regular disk level 1 or 2 rot usually won't affect my software too badly, the compensation is pretty good. And the merging program when (re)written will reduce rot further if you have multiple copies of the title.
Making progress on PAL, thanks to samples from Althor1138, CapableMetal, and lddb's megapixie:
(pictures are horizontally stretched since they weren't resized from PAL-4fsc)
http://i.imgur.com/ih5d6Ix.png
edit: (NTSC) 97SE soldier shot earlier posted on another thread: http://i.imgur.com/fUPUZ8f.png
Great update happycube!
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Oooh, speeder with no aliasing on the sides. I have to say, very impressive work here guys. I have never seen the Pal stuff look that good. Question; when you go for a release, would it be possible to preserve the 'full experience,' with logos and trailers at the beginning of each capture? I wish to create a custom set, and these would be very handy.
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"As a technical side-note, these are the only LaserDisc's of the Star Wars films to be encoded with Faroudja Lab's Super NTSC process which produces greater color resolution, reduces chroma noise and eliminates most of NTSC's artifacts such as dot crawl and flickering rainbows on closely spaced diagonal lines. While Super NTSC produces improved picture quality with all types of comb filters, when a Super NTSC LaserDisc is decoded with an advanced Motion Adaptive 3D comb filter, color resolution of up to 160 lines horizontally and 480 lines vertically with no loss of vertical, horizontal or diagonal luminance resolution is possible."
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That's why my poor test capture I used for SR upscales works so well!
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There's a decent chance the 1997 Kuraray Faces pressing was also SuperNTSC:
http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?t=2773&p=38314
As an aside, I just looked at side 1 of the DC, pressing quality seems good but the mastering does have some oddities - no "white flags" for indicating start of frame (probably part of the MCA spec, but still odd) - and especially odd for a THX disk, not much of a VITS! Just a bit with 100IRE and a drop to 0 in the middle. No THX test signal line or standard NTSC test lines either.
Already posted this to the super8 thread but moving it over here where it's a bit more on-topic - here's how ld-decode compares with the X0 project capture:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/128827
ld-decode has more noise and comb filter aliasing, but considering the source player is a repackaged cld-s104 (v2800) and the total equipment cost, not too bad.
edit: Made a version with some NR (0.25IRE chroma, 0.7IRE luma). Still not a match for the X0, but a bit closer - http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/128842
And one more with Chroma LPF, which closes the gap on C3P0's hand etc http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/128845
Although ld-decode job is great, X0 capture is incredibly good! I can't remember which capture card was used for the X0 project, so I'm curious to know if someone else can...
I wonder if, using a better LD player for the ld-decode, quality will increase - I think so, but I'm not ready to mod my MUSE player!!!
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^ Sweetspot / PDI Delux
with BNC connector mod
iirc
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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Well, that's a very good capture card... the fact I have it too, is purely coincidental... (^^,)
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The 2950/704/99 type have given better RF captures - they have an RF gain adjustment pot on the board unlike the late players.
It'd be nice to have a more capable ADC, but there's nothing vaguely in the price range that does the job... yet. An amplifier would help too, I've been meaning to play around with some high bandwidth op amps one of these _'s.
althor1138 said:
some gout vs PAL-THX laserdisc(French)...
Looking good. Always amazed of how inconsistently cropped this film always have been on video (in a very bad way).
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Although ld-decode job is great, X0 capture is incredibly good! I can't remember which capture card was used for the X0 project, so I'm curious to know if someone else can...
I wonder if, using a better LD player for the ld-decode, quality will increase - I think so, but I'm not ready to mod my MUSE player!!!
I'd be up for modding the X9 if there are instructions somewhere. It is just sitting idle these days.
I think an X1 would be a great candidate, unfortunately mine is broken.
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msycamore said:
althor1138 said:
some gout vs PAL-THX laserdisc(French)...
Looking good. Always amazed of how inconsistently cropped this film always have been on video (in a very bad way).
Your JSC is still the best way to watch this film.
@mysycamore: Thanks!
@poita: I think happycube can give you a link to a google doc where I've posted a few pictures of how I modded my players. It's pretty straightforward.
Assuming that the x0 shot is raw I'd say that the x0 wins by a hair in the aliasing department but otherwise the r7g(s-video) looks very good in comparison. I had ynr/cnr turned completely off for this and the comb filter set at 50%. No other processing. Ld-decode has a lot of potential. If the disc is clean and free of rot I believe I can get it looking this good or better.
I started this week to capture my old discs that only have analog audio since ld-decode doesn't have digital audio(yet). These discs are old and not the best pressings so I'm going to do what I can with them but the newer and better pressings will probably be on par with the x0/r7g when I get around to them. The best thing is that I am in total control of the whole process so it's kind of up to me and which settings I end up using that will determine the outcome.
The first disc will be 1130-84. I've started gout syncing and am on side 4 so it'll be a few days before I get around to encoding.
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...now that I've fixed capture card problems, and I'm able to grab analog audio/video again, you have woke up my capture fever... (^^,)
althor, is the R7G capture made for the comparison taken with the ld-decode?
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No, that was s-video out to the theater750 card. The HF9G actually has a stronger RF signal from the test point so I use that for ld-decode captures.
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Ok, then that will be my random script for today :)althor1138 said:
The first disc will be 1130-84. I've started gout syncing and am on side 4 so it'll be a few days before I get around to encoding.
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
So, for a "direct" (read: no ld-decode) capture, is pretty sweet!
At this point, I guess the X9 will be 98/99% close to X0... and *maybe* even better, using the 3D comb filter, but I can't be sure...
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Thanks for the script! I'll check it out. So far I've found this release to be worse than the jsc!
I think as long as you are using an external 3d comb for the x9 capture it should look great. The internal comb looks pretty bad imo though. Do you plan on tapping the rf on the x9? That would be awesome for ld-decode captures probably.
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Sorry, but I do not want to touch the X9 - that's some kind of respect that prevent me to do that... (^^,) but I'm thinking about modding one of my LD-V4300D... about 3D comb filter, I was thinking about the internal X9; I'm sure there are better around, but didn't know it was so bad...
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Maybe somebody with more knowledge can chime in about the x9. My only experience with it was the x9 project from which i've only seen the rotj cap. It looks like checkerboard and rainbow city though. From what I've heard from others too is that the x9 is great for muse playback but the comb filter is not that great for normal laserdisc playback.
You actually have one to play around with though, so if it turns out to be great for capturing, then I'd be pleasantly surprised.
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