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Star Wars Laser Disc Audio Archive (Released) — Page 4

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schorman13 said:

Well, while I wait for myspleen to come back, I thought I would post the pdf I made as a guide for Version 2.0.  

Enjoy!

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Wow, this is excellent! I really enjoyed looking through it and I think it'll serve its purpose rather well.

I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again: This project is an amazing accomplishment. Thank you for all of your hard work.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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The Spleen is back up, seed before it goes down again! ;)

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Everything is now posted to myspleen, in 4 parts.  I'm going to update post #1.

Part 1 - Star Wars

Part 2 - Empire

Part 3 - Jedi

Part 4 - TPM and Documentaries

Let me know what you think :)

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Listening to the synced tracks, so far so good.  In fact I'm pretty sure I'm going to toss out my own syncs of the ROTJ stereo mixes in favor of yours.  Also planning to give the SW 85 and 93 mixes a listen, and the ESB 93 mix, will likely have more feedback later.

Also, FWIW, future preservations of ROTJ are switching frame references from PAL to NTSC (yeah I know, don't blame me).  Which means your ROTJ tracks sync just fine with everything right now, but they'll need modifications for DeEdv2 and Team Blu, etc.  No big deal--I actually made some quick and dirty NTSC-synced versions from your PAL versions for just this purpose--but I wanted to give some warning.

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That's fine.  I didn't realize there had been a switch, but the Adobe Audition project files contain NTSC and PAL GOUT syncs for every mix, for all three films.  One would just need to export those tracks from the Audition projects.  There are directions in the pdf.

Easy peasy :)

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You wouldn't be able to knock off NTSC-synced ROTJ mixes for someone who's not deeply familiar with Audition, would you? Best 83 and 93 is what I'm looking for.  I'm sure I can manage if it's not something you can do (as if you haven't already done plenty for us!)

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Yeah, I can do it.  Will wetransfer Work? Can I post links here?

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You can always PM the links.  I think posting the links is discouraged.

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Just checking ;)

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Thanks again--this is a completionist's dream. Well, my sort of completionist, at least...

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Mostly complete.  I still wish I could have tracked down the Mitsubishi pressing of The US CAV version of Empire.  It's supposed to have digital sound, but I could never locate a copy.

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Ok, as I was checking a few things out with some of the mixes for Jedi, I found a couple of errors with the Audition files for the 1993 mix and the 1993 Commentary track.  Since it seems the NTSC versions are more appropriate now anyway, I've updated the torrent and have reposted.  All of the LD rips are identical and should check out with the new torrent, if you've started downloading already.

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Most impressive!

schorman13 said:

I still wish I could have tracked down the Mitsubishi pressing of The US CAV version of Empire.
I've got that one here. Might lend it, depending upon your location.

I think it might be CX-encoded, but shouldn't have been if I understand the rules.
I've ripped a 2-minute sample from side2 surrounding the snow speeder crash.
(The sound effect missing from '93 remix.)
Check your PM...

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Thanks for sharing Mallwaker.  I'll check it out.  I think we talked about this somewhere before.  If it's CX encoded, it's probably not really worth ripping anyway.  

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Thanks again.  After checking out the sample, it definitely sounds strange.  There's a little bit of pumping and definite dynamic range compression.  I think you're assessment about the CX encoding is probably right, and thus it would not really be worth ripping this particular LD.

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schorman13 said:

Ok, as I was checking a few things out with some of the mixes for Jedi, I found a couple of errors with the Audition files for the 1993 mix and the 1993 Commentary track.  Since it seems the NTSC versions are more appropriate now anyway, I've updated the torrent and have reposted.  All of the LD rips are identical and should check out with the new torrent, if you've started downloading already.

So wait a sec... are the 93 NTSC syncs in the new torrent the same as the PM'd ones or different?

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Um, I think I sent you the originals.  The issue affected only a few milliseconds of audio.  I just left a little piece in the track at one of the side changes that should have been deleted.  I believe it was nearly silent and wasn't crossfaded, so it was probably not audible, but it wasn't my "original vision" for the track. ;)  

I can resend you that one, later tonight.

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Thanks, I've made such "probably inaudible" improvements myself, so I understand the itch to fix such things.  I'd appreciate the PM whenever you have the time.

EDIT: Nevermind, even with my tragic Internet connection, I was able to snag the updated files.

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Just found out about v2.0 and downloading now.

Thank you for all your hard work and making these available, schorman! I love it that you kept the tracks at 16 bit/44.1 kHz. This is the perfect OT audio collection, it has to be!

Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Thanks for these. Especially the syncs.

If I wanted to use the SW and ESB syncs for Harmy's latest versions, is it just a matter of minor edits to do so? I seem to recall there being a frame difference in SW, but can't remember where. How about ESB?

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rnranimal said:

Thanks for these. Especially the syncs.

If I wanted to use the SW and ESB syncs for Harmy's latest versions, is it just a matter of minor edits to do so? I seem to recall there being a frame difference in SW, but can't remember where. How about ESB?

 I'm also interested in the frame differences between NTSC and PAL GOUT.

According to Darth Mallwalker for ROTJ it's PAL frame 68664 & 68665 and NTSC frame 141780.

Does anyone know the frame differences for SW and TESB?

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SW: PAL 144053

ESB: PAL 150204 & 150205

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:

SW: PAL 144053

ESB: PAL 150204 & 150205

Thanks for the info.

So at most there is 2 frames difference. That's something like 80ms, right? Is that like even visible?

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Arnie.d said:

So at most there is 2 frames difference. That's something like 80ms, right? Is that like even visible?

Depends who you talk to, what the audio in question is, and if the audio leads or follows the video.

In my experience, with the sync differences in Star Wars, 2 frames is right at the edge of perceptible, 1 frame isn't noticeable.  With 2 frames, I only notice on dialogue that's spoken by someone who speaks quickly and moves their mouth a lot (i.e. Harrison Ford), not on any other dialogue, sound effects, or music.  Since the 2-frame difference in ESB is after Solo's already frozen, I don't see it.  The 2-frame difference in Jedi, on the other hand, I can.  YMMV of course.

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I could be wrong, but after reading through Harmy's ROTJ DE thread, it appears that each of the three films are, or will be synced to the NTSC GOUT versions.  The final mixes I included should not need any changes.

I think I did see somewhere that the ESB DE 2.0 has something like 1 extra frame at the beginning.  I'm not sure.

For those interested, I have included tracks synced to both the PAL and NTSC versions within the Adobe Audition multitrack files contained in the archive.  If you want the PAL versions, you would just need to bounce the correct track in Audition.  (These are synced to the PAL when slowed down to 24 FPS, not 25 FPS).  

I also have created synced multitrack files for any hypothetical version that would include all frames combined from both sources, if the need should ever arise.  I just haven't posted them to the spleen.

Edit:  The last paragraph really only applies to ROTJ, as the PAL versions of SW and TESB are the most complete versions.

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