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Any time a character in fiction has a sword made of some unknown and/or extraterrestrial material, I choose to believe it’s actually Beskar.

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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The reason Tarkin looks so old in the Bad Batch is because of stress.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

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Luke’s test in the Dark Side cave on Dagobah was purely a fight with his inner darkness. Through his training, Luke was sensing more and more his own dark potential which Yoda redirected by telling him that the darkness existed within an entirely normal cave. This allowed Luke to exteriorize an interior feeling and bring it to light.

You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
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Is that not the actual canon though?

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NeverarGreat said:

Luke’s test in the Dark Side cave on Dagobah was purely a fight with his inner darkness. Through his training, Luke was sensing more and more his own dark potential which Yoda redirected by telling him that the darkness existed within an entirely normal cave. This allowed Luke to exteriorize an interior feeling and bring it to light.

Ooo, I love this idea. I prefer it being a total psychological thing rather than there being a “Force nexus” tied to a physical location.

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Yeah, and there’s the mischievous aspect of Yoda coming through as he would know that a scary nearby cave would be a good lesson for Luke.

I wish this explanation worked as well for The Last Jedi. For that to work Rey would need to be subconsciously visualizing this darkness as within the cave beneath the island, though maybe the cave actually does have a Dark Side aspect in this case since it’s part of a legitimately ancient Jedi site. Eh, it’s not as concerning to me.

You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
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jedi_bendu said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Honestly, that would undermine Luke’s arc and strip him of his personal motivation to fight the Empire.

It would be a fake-out death for both of them, but Luke wouldn’t know that. He’d still believe they were killed and would never get to reunite with them, so he’d still have his motivation for fighting the empire.

I think Rodney’s idea is a very fun ‘what if’ concept.

Apologies for the late response. I’m saying it’s more meaningful if they actually were dead, and that Luke acting on a lie would be less meaningful than what we got.

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Nah, it was tainted by some Darksider at some point. Which is dumb.

Okay but it’s still his inner darkness he’s facing there, not the spirit of some long dead Sith. The dude that “definitely not Yoda” killed just imbued the cave with a connection to the Dark Side. That manifests as Luke’s vision of Vader, but it’s still in his head. He’s only facing himself.

Or at least that’s how I interpreted it.

I prefer it being a total psychological thing rather than there being a “Force nexus” tied to a physical location.

Now it’s starting to sound like you guys are saying Luke had a vision just because. Is he schizophrenic? No, of course the Force was involved. I don’t really see why it being strong in certain places is an issue, especially since Yoda implies he knows that Luke will have some sort of experience in the cave. Otherwise he wouldn’t bring him there. The movie itself absolutely implies that the cave itself has a special connection to the Force.

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Nah, it was tainted by some Darksider at some point. Which is dumb.

Okay but it’s still his inner darkness he’s facing there, not the spirit of some long dead Sith. The dude that “definitely not Yoda” killed just imbued the cave with a connection to the Dark Side. That manifests as Luke’s vision of Vader, but it’s still in his head. He’s only facing himself.

Or at least that’s how I interpreted it.

I prefer it being a total psychological thing rather than there being a “Force nexus” tied to a physical location.

Now it’s starting to sound like you guys are saying Luke had a vision just because. Is he schizophrenic? No, of course the Force was involved. I don’t really see why it being strong in certain places is an issue, especially since Yoda implies he knows that Luke will have some sort of experience in the cave. Otherwise he wouldn’t bring him there. The movie itself absolutely implies that the cave itself has a special connection to the Force.

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Your interpretation is the one that I think most people have, as did I for a long time. Yoda clearly states that the cave is an ‘abode of evil’ and ‘strong with the Dark Side of the Force’. If you believe Yoda, then that must be true. All I’m saying is that maybe this was another trick by Yoda to give Luke a lesson.

The whole planet is teeming with life and the Force, and Luke is tapping into areas of this Force that he doesn’t fully understand. He suddenly feels that something is wrong, he feels cold. He assumes that it’s something exterior to him since he says ‘There’s something not right’ as he looks into the darkness of the trees. Yoda immediately confirms Luke’s suspicions, but hedges when he says that the only thing there is ‘what you take with you’. This implies that there is no danger from the dark cave, but only from Luke himself. This is emphasized when he tells Luke that he will not need his weapons. Luke takes them anyway, set in his view that the darkness is exterior to himself, a foe to be defeated.

As Luke descends into the cave his fear increases. Snakes and other creatures squirm their way through the vines, adding to his unease. It becomes too dark to see clearly, and at this point he is trusting to his own feelings in the Force to guide him, feelings driven by fear and an expectation of an exterior threat. And so he sees something strange - a stone hallway cut into the muck of the swamp, draped in vines. From the hallway comes Vader and they do battle. Clearly the figure of Vader is an illusion, but the hallway is suspect as well. Who would build such a thing in the swamp, a place with no evidence of buildings or technology?

And so comes my point - why should this place be different from any other place on Dagobah? All places on the planet have life and death, fear and peace in similar amounts. The great processes of life do not change simply because they happen in a creepy cave, so to believe Yoda we must accept that the cave has some Dark Side associated with it from sources unknown. Since this source is never revealed then it’s anyone’s guess if Yoda is telling the truth or merely playing on Luke’s own feelings.

My interpretation is that the real reason this cave is strong with the Dark Side is because Luke is there, and the Dark Side has a hold on him. The cave is just a cave, drenched in the living Force but not necessarily good or bad. He turns the energy in the cave to the Dark Side with his expectation and fear, and it responds in kind. He could have had the same experience in the woods or swimming in the swamp if his expectation was similarly primed and his bearings taken away. Keep in mind that during a similar training exercise he has a dramatic vision without being in a place that is established to be strong with the light or Dark side. A vision can happen anywhere to Luke as he opens himself to the power of the Force; it is only the suggestion of Yoda which directs the course of the Dark Side lesson.

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I prefer Greedo shooting first rather than Han. I never understood how it undermined Han’s character, when in fact it reinforces his selfishness, he’s so selfish he’s willing to preserve his own life. Whereas in TFA, he’s become so selfless he’s willing to reach out to his son in the worst of all locations, at the cost of his own life.

EDIT: This was the wrong thread. Thanks to Neverar for putting it in the baffling complaints thread.

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The appearance of Jedi spirits has nothing to do with one’s “inner person” as George said of the Hayden change, and in fact Jedi spirits don’t have any objective “true” appearance at all. Instead, they appear to living beings however the living would recognize them. Shaw makes sense as the way Luke imagines his father would look without the scarring, but Hayden would make sense too if Luke had previously seen Clone Wars-era holorecordings of Anakin, such as Artoo might have in his memory banks. Age has nothing to do with it.

In fact, a radically different Sequel Trilogy could have hypothetically cleared this up by giving us a scene of Luke and Rey conversing with Obi-Wan, showing that Rey sees the Jedi General she studied while at the same time Luke sees the Old Ben he knew personally.

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I also think that’s kind of up to the Jedi’s choice. Kind of like why in Avatar, Roku appears to be really old while Aang looks considerably younger as a spirit (how Korra knows him) than he did when he died (as Tenzin saw him in the Fog of Lost Souls). Aang chose to keep his prime look, while Roku opted to appear aged. The same applies for Anakin and Obi-Wan.