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The "some_b_gradejunk" (ESB) that was originally posted, does it have the same audio problem that the initial ANH had? There seems to be another ESB going up now, wonder if this one will follow the same pattern as ANH in that it was have the Broadcast 2.0 sound and the posters add in 5.1 audio as well.

And a question, what does "OAR" stand for? Is it a release group name or anachronism for the release type. Maybe "Original Airing Rebroadcast"?
*Answer* OAR = "Original Aspect Ratio"
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Star Wars is the only one with a reported probelm with the audio. Bit-hdtv.com's details for the Empire release even went as far to say this:

"This is captured from the German Premier HD the same excellent quality as Episode 4. Sound is in sync. Don't like DD 2.0 don't worry the DD 5.1 synced sound track will come just as it is available for episode 4 and can be found at the same place where this source comes from Usenet."

So to summarise, since the original captures are only English 2.0 on all three movies, people have also been upping 5.1 audio tracks taken from the DVD releases, synced to the HDTV version.


"+++++++++++++ DD 5.1 Sound Tracks ++++++++++++++++
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+ These are available via Usenet's group alt.binaries.hdtv +
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+ file name for Episode 4: arent_you_a_little_synched +
+ file name for Episode 5: some_b_gradeaudio_too 406mb +
+ file name for Episode 6: I_came_I_saw_I_conquered_and_all_in_DD51 +
+ +"

So in lieu of anyone reposting the whole HDTV caps with other audio tracks added, at least the audio tracks themselves are being synced and shared if people have to resort to doing it themselves.

As for Jedi, haven't read anything about sync issues, so I trusts it's okay.

I have a question: Is 5.1 audio from broadcast HDTV better/higher bitrate than DVD 5.1?
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Originally posted by: s7en


I have a question: Is 5.1 audio from broadcast HDTV better/higher bitrate than DVD 5.1?



It depends on the bitrate on the disc. Unless it's 448 on the disc (which it rarely is), then it's probably better on the broadcast.
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Would someone who has these HD recordings be kind enough to capture some screens for me? I need them for my Star Wars font research.

Please PM me if you think you can help me out.

Thanks!

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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So, how did the capturing of the original Star Wars trilogy and the prequels in HD on Cinemax go? What resolution did they broadcast it at, and what video bit-rate did they use, how about the video compression method? How did the movies look?

The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.

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It's beginning to look like either nobody's been able to cap it, or whoever has been able to cap it is sitting on it. It took a few weeks for outofsink et al to make their way to Usenet, so maybe something's in the works...
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Originally posted by: Dunedain
So, how did the capturing of the original Star Wars trilogy and the prequels in HD on Cinemax go? What resolution did they broadcast it at, and what video bit-rate did they use, how about the video compression method? How did the movies look?


Like i said...very difficult to find a cable subscriber who doesn't have the 5c encryption on for all the premium cable channels. I know of one person who got Phantom Menace so I know it's definitely possible. It's just not as easy.
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
[It's] very difficult to find a cable subscriber who doesn't have the 5c encryption on for all the premium cable channels.


You mean "cable provider", don't you?

Is there any post-capture 5C decryption possible? Although I guess that's moot: if you can't get the file out via 1394, then I guess it doesn't matter if you could decrypt it or not.

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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
[It's] very difficult to find a cable subscriber who doesn't have the 5c encryption on for all the premium cable channels.


You mean "cable provider", don't you?

Is there any post-capture 5C decryption possible? Although I guess that's moot: if you can't get the file out via 1394, then I guess it doesn't matter if you could decrypt it or not.


yeah, that's what i meant. duh. sorry

No. It won't let you even capture if the encryption is on there. It's not like it's scrambled or something. And as far as I know, no one has been able to get around it.
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Lateral thinking: When will the GOUT turn up on HBO-HD (which I know is cappable)?
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Lateral thinking: When will the GOUT turn up on HBO-HD (which I know is cappable)?

Who knows. This event may have been a sweeps month thing and to promote HD-Cinemax.
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I have them all saved on my DVR....I can't wait to sit a watch them all.

I also can't wait to see someone de-SE them, too...
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Now, whyncha get your DVR to somebody who can see if it's possible to export the stuff off via Firewire?? 'Cause nobody's going to be able to de-SE these puppies until they're liberated from (your?) DVR.
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Great job on capturing them all. Yeah, those movies need to be backed up onto a secure format. So first they need to be copied over to a PC hard drive (you could use an external hard drive with a firewire connection for that), then to be really safe (i.e., immune to hard drive crashes) each movie should be copied over to it's own Blu-Ray or HD-DVD blank disk (either single-layer or dual-layer, depending on how big the movies are). Of course, the movies should be kept in their original HD format, just as Cinemax broadcast them, no re-encoding to save space, or any other changes.

Then when guys like the X0 team get a hold of it, they can do an amazing de-SE job on it. Of course, one runs into the problem of where to get footage of a high enough resolution to replace the scenes messed up by the SE changes so that the movies will look fairly equally good throughout when watching them. But it's never a bad thing to have a great looking permanent copy of the Star Wars trilogy in HD, even if it is the 2004 even-more-SE. Once you have that, solutions can found to at least most of the remaining obstacles to a good HD restoration of the unaltered Star Wars trilogy.

The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.

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just one question guys, how do u read this stuff on your PC ? iv' try , VLC, Nero showtime, MPC, it's impossible to play , it freeze, or there's no sound, or it play in slowmotion , need some help.THANKS.
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Well, I'd LOVE to help out...sadly I'm away at school, and I won't be home till mid December(and "home" is where my DVR is).

I'm sure I'm not the only one who bothered to record the OT, so hopefully someone will be able to hook you up. If not , well, I'll get back to you mid December, sorry.
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Originally posted by: cbaka
just one question guys, how do u read this stuff on your PC ? iv' try , VLC, Nero showtime, MPC, it's impossible to play , it freeze, or there's no sound, or it play in slowmotion , need some help.THANKS.


Yeh, I'm having problems playing ANH. I have all the codecs required and my machine is a 3.4ghz Pentium 4 so it should be more than capable of playing this. I really wanted to see these in HD too. Luckily SKYHD will be transmitting the entire saga back to back and in order on New Years day from 6am in Hi-Def so i'll just have to wait til then

ANH:REVISITED
ESB:REVISITED

DONATIONS TOWARDS MATERIALS FOR THE REVISITED SAGA

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Originally posted by: BountyHunter
"home" is where my DVR is.


Yeah, screw 'heart' -- "Home Is Where the DVR Is"! (Prolly not what you meant, but I like it nonetheless...)

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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Lateral thinking: When will the GOUT turn up on HBO-HD (which I know is cappable)?


Wrong.

NONE of the channels are readily cappable. 5c will probably be "on" for all the premium channels.
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So Bountyhunter, you were to record the movies on your DVR, off of Cinemax, despite the 5c encryption?
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Originally posted by: Karyudo
Lateral thinking: When will the GOUT turn up on HBO-HD (which I know is cappable)?


Wrong.

NONE of the channels are readily cappable. 5c will probably be "on" for all the premium channels.


Huh?? My brother caps from HBO-HD all the time. I also know that several people have dumped Cinemax HD to D-VHS. So if there's any 5C, it's "copy once" at worst. And there is evidence that there's actually no 5C.

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Originally posted by: adywan
Originally posted by: cbaka
just one question guys, how do u read this stuff on your PC ? iv' try , VLC, Nero showtime, MPC, it's impossible to play , it freeze, or there's no sound, or it play in slowmotion , need some help.THANKS.


Yeh, I'm having problems playing ANH. I have all the codecs required and my machine is a 3.4ghz Pentium 4 so it should be more than capable of playing this. I really wanted to see these in HD too. Luckily SKYHD will be transmitting the entire saga back to back and in order on New Years day from 6am in Hi-Def so i'll just have to wait til then


A 3.4GHz P4 probably is not fast enough to play this particular encode back, ( A Core 2 Duo is recommended) unless your graphics card can assist - but you can give it your best shot by:
1. Download the Haali Media Splitter
2. Get CoreAVCPro
3. Download ZoomplayerPro or Media Player Classic
4. Download GraphEdit
5. Download FRAPS
6. Download RADLight Filter Manager

Using COREAVC PRO with Zoomplayer Pro or MPC is probably the fastest combination of software for this type of playback. Try disabling deblocking in the codec if it still does not playback smoothly. It would also be a good idea to defrag the file if possible, you want a lowend PC like that to have as smooth a ride as possible.
Use FRAPS and let us know what framerates you are getting.

If it is no faster then some investigation work is required - use GraphEdit and check that ffdshow isn't getting in the way and that you are actually using coreavc.
You can use Radlight to deregister unwanted filters and to give Coreavc and Haali the highest merit so they get used by default. (Graphedit will help you see what is going on)
If using Media Player classic you can right click on the video when it is playing to see what filters it is using.

Still with the 3.4GHz single core machine, I'll be surprised if it plays back smoothly with really high bitrate h264 material - it *might* with deinterlacing and deblocking turned off.
Coreavc should be faster than the GPU assisted renderers with the possible exception of the new NVidia 8800.