We have an excellent-quality 77 stereo mix sourced primarily from the Japanese P&S Laserdisc (digital audio), and patched over with audio from analogue Laserdisc sources when needed, already synced to the video we're talking about. We also have a lesser-quality 1977 mono mix and a fine 1977 6-channel reconstruction. If home video release and top-notch quality are requirements, then 1977 stereo is the best option IMO.
VHS... *spits* ...we absolutely positively do not ever have to deal with that crap. Heck, even if we want the 93 mix, I'd recommend at least using a Laserdisc-derived copy for the improved quality over DVD. We've already got one of those synced too.
All I can say is wow!
Extremely impressive results. I think people are going to be floored when they see it.
The only gripe I have is the AA is much more apparent. Its actually a distraction now. But that comes with the cleanup, so nothing can be done about it.
Excellent work! :D
Is there still interest in using these methods to create faux-HD upscales of the prequel trilogy deleted scenes? If there's need to obtain them first, PM me and I'd be happy to provide them.
I never had the nerve to make the final cut.
@ CatBus
Thanks for the info! I would like to get the most accurate representation of the aspect ratio. We wouldn't want any long faces... I assume this is true for the ESB and ROTJ as well?
Edit: just read the wiki, so there's my answer.
@ Laserdisc Master
Very impressive cleanup! In the end (after some discussion about a cleanup I did) I decided to go for a faithful representation of the GOUT, without any cleanup. However, your cleanup version certainly looks pretty good :-).
Since it is going to be a mkv anyway, I can put in as many audio mixes as you want. So if you can get them to me, I will gladly put them in.
DrDre said:
@ Laserdisc Master
Very impressive cleanup! In the end (after some discussion about a cleanup I did) I decided to go for a faithful representation of the GOUT, without any cleanup. However, your cleanup version certainly looks pretty good :-).
Thanks!
We could always release two version, the "dirty" and the "clean"! (^^,)
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What's your preferred encoding/bitrate for audio? AC3 is lossy, but pretty universally supported. I typically do 224k AC3 for lossy encodings (112k for mono, 448k for 5.1), but I can also do DTS-MA or WAV for lossless (or to let you handle the encoding yourself).
@ Catbus
Great, thanks! I think AC3 should be fine. As you say they are universally supported.
Last question, I swear. NTSC and PAL discs of the GOUT have slightly different frame counts. This causes a noticeable sync difference in ROTJ. Which source are you using for ROTJ?
Hahaha, I'm using the NTSC versions for all three films.
Here's a screenshot for the super resolution upscale of one of the prequel deleted scenes:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/124536
The video will take a couple of hours to process, and will be available tomorrow to anyone who sends me a PM.
DrDre said:
Hahaha, I'm using the NTSC versions for all three films.
Why aren't you using the PAL version? Wouldn't you want the extra resolution from the DVD? If you need the PAL version, I can send you a copy.
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
Even if PAL has more vertical resolution as standard, NTSC GOUT EP IV and V are better, while EP VI PAL is better...
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JawsTDS said:
DrDre said:
Hahaha, I'm using the NTSC versions for all three films.
Why aren't you using the PAL version? Wouldn't you want the extra resolution from the DVD? If you need the PAL version, I can send you a copy.
Haha, we've come full circle! Check out the first few pages. He started out with the PAL discs, and we had a discussion where it was stated that the NTSC is a better source. So *someone* sent him the NTSC discs.
Argh. Yes, for ROTJ, PAL is slightly better visually. But all preservations seem to be gravitating toward NTSC framecount, even if the ROTJ source was PAL, by deleting and inserting the extra frames. Man, all I want is for Han's lips to move at the same time he's talking...
DrDre said:
Here's a screenshot for the super resolution upscale of one of the prequel deleted scenes:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/124536
The video will take a couple of hours to process, and will be available tomorrow to anyone who sends me a PM.
I'd like to see it; it's hard to get a sense of how it will look based on a screencap. Thanks for dedicating the resources to trying this out.
I never had the nerve to make the final cut.
I watched the 10 minute video and it looks mostly good, except there are interlacing artifacts which are distracting. The screenshot comparison that Laserdisc Master put shortly afterward look better I think, but they are missing some stars. Any chance of making a 10 minute clip of that one so we can see it in motion? And what is that awful "HDTV" stuff with the blue mess and dislocated engines?
Thanks for sharing all the great work guys!
Mike
CatBus said:
Man, all I want is for Han's lips to move at the same time he's talking...
Having done audio sync on a number of film captures (not just SW), I always wrestle with this. Many scenes are overdubbed after the fact ... that is commonly done, and not just in movies but in other productions. [I did some color commentary on a sporting event once, and they decided they didn't like the sound of our mics and so we had to go into the studio afterwards and overdub ourselves]
Point being, it is harder to sync audio and video captures if the voices have been overdubbed. They just never seem to line up quite right. And because of that, I often wonder if I should be trying to align the voice with the video, or if I should be trying to align the audio with where it fell in the original film (rightly or wrongly).
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Yeah, I've worked with a Hong Kong film, so I know all about misaligned dub-overs ;) Heck, in Star Wars, there's even lines where people's lips say an entirely different line (i.e. Leia's lips say a 70mm line in Empire, but the 35mm audio says something else). In this case, I'm just talking about the problems introduced by mix-and-matching the PAL and NTSC audio and video, that's all.
As for interlacing artifacts, I think it was stated early on that digging out bad IVTC frames wasn't in the scope of this project, but that may have changed.
Mike, the HDTV is... well, HDTV broadcast! (^^,)
It's the same master used for 2004 SE DVD, and I used it to have an HD version of the same shot (well, sort of) to compare, in particular to check small details placement and position; here you are another comparison
SuperResolution7 Vs MagicUpSR5 + MagiClean2:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/124557
SuperResolution7 Vs HDTV:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/124558
MagicUpSR5 + MagiClean2 Vs HDTV:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/124561
I refined further my script - from now, simply MagicSR (that uses SuperResolution upscale + denoise/sharpen filters + grain plate); here you are a brief comparison clip (Vs Bicubic) - 1280x720, 34.50MB, 27s, no audio: https://www.sendspace.com/file/u3k865
Image is greatly enhanced, I can't believe how great the power of Avisynth is... and, I know, I know, stars are disappearing here and there... this is the worst problem so far, I'm thinking about how to solve it!
Going to sleep now, hope to read some feedbacks next time I'll come back!
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Even if PAL has more vertical resolution as standard, NTSC GOUT EP IV and V are better, while EP VI PAL is better...
Whoops, I had meant the PAL version of ROTJ. I have the PAL copies of ANH & ESB and they don't look anywhere near ROTJ.
Either way, looking forward to this!
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
CatBus said:
Man, all I want is for Han's lips to move at the same time he's talking...
:)
Holy crap, that looks amazing! It's hard to judge for sure because it is so quick. Can you show the close up scene with R2 and 3PO that had lots of interlacing in the 10 minute clip? See R2...
thorr said:
Holy crap, that looks amazing! It's hard to judge for sure because it is so quick. Can you show the close up scene with R2 and 3PO that had lots of interlacing in the 10 minute clip? See R2...
Its a byproduct of the terrible DVD transfer. This cleanup unfortunately, enhances the interlacing.