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Star Wars Fate of the Jedi: Outcast, or Del Rey just is not trying anymore.

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So far what i have read, i have not completely finished the book yet, sucks.  I guess after Shadows of Mindor sucked i would give del rey another shot.

Aaron Allstons new novel is lame and boring as hell.

A waste of 27 dollars. 

The book reads like it was slapped together in 2 days.

There is also an unabridged audio version on CD but i think i will save my money.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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sky, why do you keep torturing yourself with these crappy novels?

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Have you checked out Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader?

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SkyJedi, stop me if Im wrong but I thought you generally disliked the EU. Fate of the Jedi : Outcast is pretty far into EU lore. I mean you had to of read quite a bit of EU to get there. Surely you didnt read that many books that you dont like right?

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The only things I have really hated about the EU is the characters they killed off in the new jedi order and legacy series, really.  That and now all the books have to be tied down by prequels bullshit, which was not the case prior to 1999.  The more they stay true to the original trilogy pre special edition, and try to write the sequels to Return the Jedi lucas is not doing the better.

Overall del rey has done a good job despite for misgivings i have.  Even though i have a soft spot for the bantam era there were a lot of flaws in those books too.  But back then star wars did not have to be dark and realistic because it was the in thing to do.  Star Wars to me is space fantasy adventure stories that are escapism in its purest sense.  What I want are real heroes not Good guys who are realy bad guys or called "grey".  These reluctant heroes and politics bullshit, and emo whiny bicthes have no place in star wars imho.

Yes i have read dark Lord and like the episode III novelization it is a good EU lead in to Star Wars 77 or Episode IV for saga fans.  I have already said the novelizations were better than the films because they were written by people who could write and are actually writers, Unlike Lucas who took a lot of credit for Kasdens writing on the original trilogy.

Actually that is not really true or fair, Lucas could not spell and had a hard time writing but the scripts he put out and ideas despite being prototypes and unfinished were a hundred times better than the prequel drek.  That 1974 rough draft script draws a lot on classic science fiction and fantasy and would in itself have made an interesting if very different film.

Axia up to a certain point i have bought and read all the sequel trilogy era novels set after return of the jedi and starring Luke.  After all Luke was the character i most related to decades ago.  And still is my favorite character.  I would rather read about his and Han Solo's and Leia's adventures than read about Hayden Vader or anakin in the prequel as it finally shaped up to be in the films.  Novels based on the real and true origins of the oot that disregard the filmed prequels I would read in a heartbeat.

Lucas should hand over his original notes and outlines to some novelists and have them shape the novels to fit the real original trilogy from 1977-1983.  and also he can hand them over to filmakers and screenwriters that give a damn, and Have them reshoot the prequels.  Then we can all pretend the prequels we have never happened or were a bad dream.

Hire good actors use traditional old school effects and stunts and little or no cgi, have dirctors who work with  actors well and are capable of getting a performance.

Yeah i saw the prequels in the theaters and will shamefully admit i have them in my collection, and even enjoy some parts of them to a far lesser degree than the original trilogy.  Did they live up to twenty years of anticipation, not one freakin bit.  But neither did Crystal Skull.   And i lowered my expectations and still was dissapointed.  If they were even 50% as good as the originals i would forgive a lot.  As is i say about 15% of the movies content is acceptable.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Yeah, Dark Lord works better as a bridge for ROTS-ANH than TFU ever did. When closely examined, the plot of TFU makes absolutely NO SENSE at all. Dark Lord, while definitely not the best written EU, at least was written with applied talent and intelligence.

As for the ROTS novelization: heck, even though much of it was written minimalistically and with little description, it held more emotional weight than what we got in the film by far.

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WARNING THIS POST HAS EU SPOILERS IN IT FROM THE LEGACY OF THE FORCE SERIES

 

 

 

Oh OK SkyJedi thanks for that. With these boards its hard to remember who hates what. Im a big fan of the EU and I don't mind too much when characters die, its a little unrealistic when everyone lives forever...excpet when they killed off Mara Jade and Lumiya in the same book. Too of my faves

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AxiaEuxine said:

Oh OK SkyJedi thanks for that. With these boards its hard to remember who hates what. Im a big fan of the EU and I don't mind too much when characters die, its a little unrealistic when everyone lives forever...excpet when they killed off Mara Jade and Lumiya in the same book. Too of my faves

 

 I skipped the NJO books. I just loathed the Vong too much. I tried jumping back with the Legacy books, but Lumiya killed it for me. When she basically sat down and talked Jacen into becoming evil, I couldn't take it.

LUMIYA: You should be a Sith.

JACEN: No.

LUMIYA: You really should.

JACEN: Well... ... no. No.

LUMIYA: Come on. If you don't the plot won't happen.

JACEN: I really shouldn't.

LUMIYA: I'll be your best friend. Do it. DO IT. DO IT.

JACEN: Fine.

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I hope the next book Omen By Christie Golden not being the lead in novel actually has some meat to the plot.  The preview chapter included in the Outcast book hints at the return of the sith.

Will it explain the hidden Sith empire, I wonder if these are followers of Darth Bane or something else entirely.

It will begin to lay out how Jacen Solo fell to the darkside and Became Darth Caedus.  Who Lumiya was working for or being used by, Where did Jacen Solo learn lost jedi and sith arts?

Are the Baren Do Sages and there secrets in any way connected to the sith, will anti jedi sentiment and Chief of State Daala a former Imperial Admiral lead to the second jedi purge?

When and How Does Fel set up the rival Imperial Academy of Jedi or the Imperial Knights.

If another war is brewing that the Jedi will be drawn into which Side will the Mandalores and Fett be on.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Skyjedi: I highly suggest reading Death Troopers when it's released and giving us a review.

It's supposed to be the first Star Wars horror novel. Someone on the John Byrne forums who supposedly got an early sneak-peak said it made Revenge of the Sith look like Sesame Street.

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I started the NJO years ago and gave up. Tried the first of the Legacy series, and gave up. Then Mara was killed off and Jacen went to the dark side-hasn't this already been done before? How stupid could Jacen be to say: "Oh. I have to be a Sith so that everything will turn out OK and we'll have peace. All I have to do now is kill everybody." It sounds like Episode III!

What's with all these "epic series" of SW the Del Rey keeps putting out? Shadows of Mindor had its problems, but at least it was an attempt to return to the greatness of Han Solo at Star's End. I don't know if I'm even going to try Outcast. I'll probably try to go back into the NJO just to make sense of it all. I just don't understand why we've had to go into an EU where everything is upside down.

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skyjedi2005 said:

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Lucas should hand over his original notes and outlines to some novelists and have them shape the novels to fit the real original trilogy from 1977-1983.  and also he can hand them over to filmakers and screenwriters that give a damn, and Have them reshoot the prequels.  Then we can all pretend the prequels we have never happened or were a bad dream.

 

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My dream as well, but the dang thing is that all of the EU writers have adapted so much of the PT, that you can't just rip it out and replace it with "non-suck" and have it go very well.

 

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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The only Star Wars novels I really like are the ones by Timothy Zahn.  The Thrawn trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn set were awesome and I don't think any others will be as good as that.

The RotS novel was pretty good; Dark Lord, if that's the one where Vader tracks down and kills the leftover Jedi, was pretty cool too.  Other than that I can't stand any prequel era stuff.  The New Jedi Order was rubbish too, and the ones after where they killed Mara Jade and had Jacen turn evil, forget it.

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Well I had to read Millenium Falcon before I could read Outcast but I've finally finished it. I kept waiting for this horrible book to start but I rather enjoyed it. I would recommend it to anyone who enjoys the EU and the continuing adventures of Star Wars.

Captainsolo, sorry you didnt enjoy the little of Legacy of the Force that you did read. I thoroughly enjoyed that series. Your comparisons to Episode III are admitedly not without merit but I loved Episode III.

I have several Star wars books I havent read yet, wonder which one Ill decide to read next...maybe the Shadows of Mindor.

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That was precisely my problem with the Legacy series it was a bad rehash of the prequels.  Jacen basically goes through the prequel Episode III Anakin route and hurts and kills people who love him.

He falls the same way as those before him fell, instead of needing power to save his wife he needs the darkside for control and to bring peace and stability to a galaxy forever at war, only sometimes does peace prevail.

He wants for selfish reasons the galaxy to be a safe place for his child to grow up in.  He is willing to sacrifice anything to achieve his ends.  He is believable in that instance.  Parents will do anything to protect their children from harm.

Even though he merge into the force rather than becoming one with it.  I still think he was not beyond redemption his last thoughts and wishes were to protect his daughter, though Jaina did not believe him.

The jedi were so changed and darkened by the Yuuzhan Vong war as to be perilously close to the darkside.  Even Luke accepted Vergeres ways at first and then later rejected them.  Even now Luke does not know vergere was a sith lord.  Mara probably suspected, and Jacen knew as well as Lumiya.  They are all croaked now though,lol.

You also feel bad for Tahiri who lost Anakin and through her love was twisted dark by Jacen.  Through Ben Skywalker's intervention she gets a chance at rememption.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I don't believe they were a rehash of the prequels. Though that would not be a bad thing. I just agreed that comparisons could be drawn. Unfortunantly for you there is no escaping the prequels in the EU. Doesn't matter that those events (LotF) take place around 60 years after the prequels. It's all part of the same Saga.

I suggest you stop reading EU as I believe it is always going to dissapoint you now. Which makes me sad, I love to share my favorite hobby with people. You are looking for something that does not exist now and that's Star Wars minus the influence of the prequels.

I for one loved thier infulence on Star Wars in general and on LotF inparticular. I loved the machinations of Palpatine in the prequels and enjoyed the machinations present in LotF.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain.
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