General film discussion thread, for non-fan-edit-related discussion: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Rey-Skywalker-Upcoming-live-action-motion-picture-general-discussion-thread/id/103921/page/1#1532655
With the recent unexpected announcement of a film featuring Rey Skywalker set fifteen years after The Rise of Skywalker which will focus on her efforts to rebuild the Jedi Order, I feel warranted in creating this project thread. I’m being a little snarky in doing so, but even though we know extremely little about this film I already have a central idea.
This movie appears to be suited for a title prefix of “Episode 10” in substance. It’s a major motion picture about what happens to the chief character of the prior trilogy. From a marketing perspective, LFL likely does not want to remain beholden to these episode numbers. But from an old-school nerd perspective, giving it this title would seem appropriate.
So one thing I would hope to do is add a proper opening and title crawl to consider it an Episode X, as well as working in any trappings of the main saga films that could be missing, such as potentially needing to add some traditional Williams-esque score or optical wipe transitions. I would also plan to release a version that makes whatever changes are made, but which does not wrap the film in the ‘Episode X’ title. (If this film doesn’t have a Wilhelm scream, by God we’ll add one.)
Part of the reason I am making this thread is to selfishly claim a spot in hopefully managing another collaborative project. Or at worst, foment productive discussion toward such a project even if someone else helms it by that point in the indeterminate, you-never-know-what-life-will-throw-at-you future.
SKYWALKER LIVES
Since there were always rumors of Episodes 10, 11 and 12, I think it cool from an old-school perspective to make an edit that embraces that idea.
Since Daisy came on stage I do think this will happen and not end up abandoned like many other announced projects. But I do wonder, long term, if there will actually be 3 movies or not. Guess you could endlessly speculate. We’ll have to wait and see!
Even if there aren’t, and I’m sure there’ll be more than just this movie that takes place afterward which substantively deals with the outflowing of the Skywalker saga (which now includes Rey) in the future, Episode X seems logical to stick on this one from what we know so far.
It’d certainly be cool to eventually have a 10, 11, and 12. But we’d need films that are very much integral to the Skywalker thread or line, which Rey now intrinsically is. A Poe movie wouldn’t cut it, but one which largely only features Rey as a returning presence would seem to.
omg hal
i wonder how that will reverberate in the ascendant thread in a couple years…
the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
You can tell how much fanediting has engrained itself into the Star Wars community, when people have decided to fanedit a movie that hasn’t even begun filming yet. 😉 But seriously, the potential for this film to be edited into alternate takes on the sequels (much like the edits that incorporate Kenobi into the prequel trilogy) is mind-boggling.
One idea I’m already considering is using this movie to realize George Lucas’s original plans for a 12-episode Star Wars saga:
It’s not necessary by any means, but I think it would still be cool, just as a “what could have been” sort of thing.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
It’s actually cool to have the Episode X, I always felt like they should have abandoned the idea of splitting the saga into trilogies. It’s a bit limitating, why not make 4-movies story or duology? Or why just not do good movies with a story to tell and not worry about of it’s trilogy.
Obviously, they can label this film as they want but essentially it’s going to be Ep X.
I hope it would be better than TROS and it would be a great epilogue to the saga that we all deserve 😉
I see the logic like this. Take it for granted that they’ll never end up releasing anything titled “Episode 10” ever.
If they’d never made 7, 8, and 9, and all the Legends/EU novels were films instead, you could consider the Thrawn trilogy to be 7, 8, and 9. Anything that substantively advances the Skywalker story at the time of its release (it is set further ahead than anything else already reckoned as an “Episode”), would be considered the next “Episode.”
By this logic, the movies would have been:
Episode 7: Heir to the Empire
Episode 8: Dark Force Rising
Episode 9: The Last Command
Episode 10: Jedi Search
Episode 11: Dark Apprentice
Episode 12: Champions of the Force
Etcetera. But Truce at Bakura, or Courtship of Princess Leia? No dice, as at their release they were set prior to where we’d gotten up to.
Presumably they won’t make nearly as many movies about the Skywalkers in this way as they published novels.
Since the film is supposed to be about the new Jedi order, it’s concerning that John Boyega hasn’t been announced to be returning, as well. I think he’s previously said that he’s done with Star Wars, but hopefully enough of that Disney money would bring him back.
I realize the Lego Holiday Special and the like aren’t necessarily canon, but I think it would be awesome to see Finn as Rey’s Jedi apprentice just like in those shorts. I’m not sure that a film with just Rey being the only Jedi would be all that interesting. I guess we could see “new” characters such as a grown up version of broom boy since it’s 15 years later. Grogu might be there, too.
I’d suggest relegating this thread to fan edit ideas, or other aspects of this as a project. Otherwise it’s gonna be a long, overwhelming ride now to then.
But I agree with you. Hopefully they don’t just say, “Oh, he died on a mission or something.”
If it’s 15 years later I’d love to see a full-fledged Jedi Finn assisting Rey. And Mark Hamill better get to be the wise Force Ghost Luke guiding Rey.
The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.
I’d suggest relegating this thread to fan edit ideas, or other aspects of this as a project. Otherwise it’s gonna be a long, overwhelming ride now to then.
But I agree with you. Hopefully they don’t just say, “Oh, he died on a mission or something.”
I’d be more worried about it being some throw-away line like “Oh Finn? He’s in the Outer Rim helping ex-stormtroopers.”
I agree though, a speculation thread might be better for this particular discussion.
In relation to this thread, I like the WIP title you currently have. It’s a nice mirror of ROTJ. I actually kinda like the sound of Legacy of the Jedi. I suppose it depends on what the actual plot will involve.
Lol, it was either that or “Necromancy of the Sith” that I closed the TROS commentary with.
Some other ideas I’ve got are “Path of the Jedi” and “Balance of the Force”.
Really hard to say without much clue what it’s gonna be about. Maybe the film’s actual title will do, with ‘Episode X’ added.
Ah, that’s fair enough. But seeing as how they’re departing from the traditional episodic titling, they may also depart from the standard naming conventions of the films. It might be two words, for example, which definitely wouldn’t work.
Maybe there will be a way to do a 2 in 1 edit with this and TROS to make a better Episode IX, or replace IX completely.
Maybe there will be a way to do a 2 in 1 edit with this and TROS to make a better Episode IX, or replace IX completely.
I had a similar thought. A 16 year time gap from TLJ to this wouldn’t be completely unprecedented. Episodes 1 to 2 have 10 years, for example. If you removed TROS, you’d just need the crawl for the new movie to do the heavy lifting. Something about the First Order getting toppled thanks to Luke’s final stand.
The biggest problem for a 2 in 1 would be giving a satisfying finish to Kylo Ren. And obviously the First Order wouldn’t exist in this new film. Maybe you could cut all of Palps out of IX, and use some AI dialogue to have the characters be after something else. Let the film play out all the way to Rey and Kylo’s duel on Exegol and his redemption. Then we could have Rey go to Ahch-To, but instead of having her go to Exegol to defeat Palpatine (who wouldn’t exist in this edit), we would use footage from this new movie intercut with the TROS finale. Idk, I’m just spitballing.
I love that we’re already kicking around fanedit ideas for the film that was just announced with nothing more than Daisy Ridley and a time period attached. lol
As others have already mentioned, I hope we see Finn as a full-fledged Jedi in this.
In a world where the ‘Episode 9’ that was made ended up being a net negative overall, I wouldn’t rule it out. But I imagine treating the new film as Episode 10 as yet another new beginning several years later. And I’m less bothered about whether it’ll fit into a trilogy by the end of it.
Maybe there will be a way to do a 2 in 1 edit with this and TROS to make a better Episode IX, or replace IX completely.
I had a similar thought. A 16 year time gap from TLJ to this wouldn’t be completely unprecedented. Episodes 1 to 2 have 10 years, for example. If you removed TROS, you’d just need the crawl for the new movie to do the heavy lifting. Something about the First Order getting toppled thanks to Luke’s final stand.
The biggest problem for a 2 in 1 would be giving a satisfying finish to Kylo Ren. And obviously the First Order wouldn’t exist in this new film. Maybe you could cut all of Palps out of IX, and use some AI dialogue to have the characters be after something else. Let the film play out all the way to Rey and Kylo’s duel on Exegol and his redemption. Then we could have Rey go to Ahch-To, but instead of having her go to Exegol to defeat Palpatine (who wouldn’t exist in this edit), we would use footage from this new movie intercut with the TROS finale. Idk, I’m just spitballing.
Yeah a lot will depend on what actually happens in the movie. The long gap might not be so obvious/explicit. The real issue will be Kylo/the First Order, you could argue TLJ provides decent wrap ups for Poe and Finn.
Ultimately the simplest solution might just be using a scene to swap in for a new ending.
Here’s what we end up with applying my logic for bestowing ‘Episode’ titles onto things, from the ol’ Legends/EU. Only include things that substantively forward the Skywalker story, and only things which at the time of their release are chronologically later than the latest “Episode.”
Thrawn Trilogy
Jedi Academy Trilogy
The Crystal Star
Corellian Trilogy
Thrawn Duology
New Jedi Order series
Dark Nest Trilogy
Legacy of the Force series
Fate of the Jedi series
Crucible
So, who knows? Maybe we’ll be at this for a while, despite TROS nominally being the end of the saga. But for now, I’ll enjoy looking forward and speculating about the movie itself, and let this thread lay fallow for the most part.
Here’s what we end up with applying my logic for bestowing ‘Episode’ titles onto things, from the ol’ Legends/EU. Only include things that substantively forward the Skywalker story, and only things which at the time of their release are chronologically later than the latest “Episode.”
Thrawn Trilogy
Jedi Academy Trilogy
The Crystal Star
Corellian Trilogy
Thrawn Duology
New Jedi Order series
Dark Nest Trilogy
Legacy of the Force series
Fate of the Jedi series
CrucibleSo, who knows? Maybe we’ll be at this for a while, despite TROS nominally being the end of the saga. But for now, I’ll enjoy looking forward and speculating about the movie itself, and let this thread lay fallow for the most part.
Replace crystal Star with dark empire
Just saying, that’s what my approach would render as a continuing main story, albeit likely way more of them than there’ll be films that do so.
Dark Empire’s a comic, so I didn’t consider it. Also… Dark Empire is full of silly ideas that I don’t like and don’t gel with what’s around it. (Like TROS!)
My point is that while I generally haven’t liked other projects giving “Episode _” to things like Rogue One, I feel differently about this movie and presumably others to come based on my suspicion that the reason LFL aren’t has to do with marketing or branding concerns rather than my own nerdy perspective on it. Marketing-wise, maybe it’d be embarrassing to put something out called “Star Wars - Episode XVII,” but as a nerd I’d have no problem with it if the story simply goes that far.
Hey, Kathleen Kennedy just said that this film (and SW movies in general going forward) will have opening crawls.
So that’ll be one less thing to do. Even if we end up rewriting the crawl or simply insert “Episode X.”
This early thread already feels even less necessary!
Hey, Kathleen Kennedy just said that this film (and SW movies in general going forward) will have opening crawls.>
Time to add crawls in Rogue One and Solo fanedits to match the other movies lol
The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.