Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released) — Page 48

Wow. This convo went from 0 to 100 real quick. 😧

This may be a longshot but I’d like to request from anyone able and willing, to take the counseling scene between Anakin and Yoda and turn Yoda into a hologram.

I feel it’s an important scene and I hated to lose it. The only reason I had to was because Yoda has already left the planet by the time Anakin has his first nightmare.

But I wouldn’t put anything past us these days, compared to 2014.

Soon I’ll be updating the alternate version of LOE in which Padme dies.

I didn’t originally have an alternate version, but exported one in response to frequent requests for it. However, LOE really isn’t set up for Padme to die at the end.

So, I thought it’d be reasonable to update just the alternate version, to make it a little more suitable for that ending.

The changes have to do with the order of scenes as the political and prophetic elements are set on the board. In LOE, we put Anakin through all the political twists and turns before dunking him into a single tantalizing nightmare which Palpatine takes advantage of.

Here’s the new order of scenes for the alternate, ‘Padme Dies’ version:

• Anakin learns Padme is pregnant
• Greivous arrives on Utupau and speaks with Sidious
• Nightmare, Anakin walks out of bedroom
• Opera scene (excised mention of Greivous intel, since it’s not followed up with for a while)
• Yoda’s counseling session
• Anakin misses briefing and Obi-Wan warns him of Palpatine
• Palpatine appoints Anakin to Jedi Council
• Council doesn’t like this
• Bail’s apartment deleted scene
• Anakin is asked to spy on Palpatine
• Jedi traffic scene
• Anakin and Padme talk about their political views and have a bad time
• Troops setting up on Khshyyyk, and LOE continues more or less the same from here until the ending (same as current alternate version ending)

This ordering retains most of what LOE does with this section of the movie, except the nightmare now functions as a catalyst and is followed up by Palpatine in the opera scene framing for the audience all the political scenes that follow. We get to keep the scene between Anakin and Yoda, which is nice. Anakin still never tells anyone about his nightmares other than when Palpatine brings it up as a gotcha. But, one difference is that I have to use the theatrical version of the “I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi” instead of the deleted scene version because the spot carved out for it in the main version of LOE isn’t there.

Sounds great, Hal. Reminds me of how L8wrtr ordered those scenes in his edit. And using the theatrical version of the “plot to destroy the Jedi” scene is also nice, since that was one of the few areas where ROTS and the Clone Wars finale directly overlapped.

Since this is an alternate version… what are the thoughts on adding back Yoda and Palpatine’s duel?

No, that’s outside what the goal of the alternate version is. And if that’s what you’d like to see, L8wrtr’s version would come pretty close. (That’s why I held out on doing an alternate version to begin with, because his is already a well done edit that concludes that way. But this alternate version will execute what LOE does best except properly accommodating the theatrical ending.)

Hal 9000 said:

No, that’s outside what the goal of the alternate version is. And if that’s what you’d like to see, L8wrtr’s version would come pretty close. (That’s why I held out on doing an alternate version to begin with, because his is already a well done edit that concludes that way. But this alternate version will execute what LOE does best except properly accommodating the theatrical ending.)

Sounds good! LoE is still my go to for the alternative version. Plus with your prequels, Yoda isn’t a gymnist doing flips so it makes sense! I just know it’s a crowd pleaser but I understand it’s exclusion.

I like rearranging it so Anakin feeling slighted by the Council and being told to betray Palpatine before the dream so they have weight in his fall. Emphasizing Anakin’s authoritarian political beliefs and a genuine lust for power beyond just saving Padme is, IMO, really the only way to make Anakin’s fall somewhat work with just a fan-edit, without a full rewrite (which would be ideal, but you can’t really watch it). It makes him feel more like the same person as Darth Vader from the OT.

It would be really beneficial if you tried to make a point of Anakin being addicted to the dark side and basically subconsciously looking for an excuse to fall, kinda like Walter White. Having the dream be more of the straw that broke the camels back then the sole reason makes it slightly more believable that he would commit genocide over it.

Octorox said:

Any chance you would put Yoda’s exile into Dagobah into the Padme Dies version? Revenge of the Sith: Rebalanced found a nice spot for it with interrupting the flow of the ending.

I had to go find where he put it… from his changelist:

• Yoda now goes off to Dagobah before the funeral, but after helping Obi-Wan and Bail Organa deliver her body to Naboo.

I understand if Hal doesn’t want to add this as it can be assumed Yoda goes there.
Plus the ending structure of: Mother -> Father -> Daughter -> Son is too good to mess with.

I added Yoda going to Dagobah in order to fix a gap left by removing the funeral. With the funeral being part of the alternate version I feel the ending is better without adding Yoda.

And Obi-Wan knowing that Vader is Anakin’s Sith name is part of the Kenobi show. Me removing that mention doesn’t alter that.

I’m not revising LOE overall, just the alternate version.

Use Sir Ridley’s crawl but stick with original TPM title.

Put back the battle droid dialogue to one other, starting when they talk before going into where the Jedi are. (Can still remove “destroy what’s left of them”, but keep “roger roger”)

Have them go underwater to Otah Gunga, but trim it up however you can. Only use the first part of the submarine trip.

Put back the scene descending the steps inside the palace discussing political exposition.

Put back jar jar in the droid bay, but ideally remove “how wude.” (If you can remove all three of its instances, great, otherwise leave 2.)

Make sure to include “sitting ducks.” But can still trim up Ric being so delighted by that little droid.

Put back line, “No more commands from her highness today.”.

Recreate the theatrical version of the engine startup sequence for the most part, but still remove “me no watchin’”

If any cuts remain to the farewell to Schmi, undo them.

Put back Qui-Gon’s line, “Tell them to take off!”

Put back scene on Naboo where the Viceroy sits on his walking throne, originally removed because it references the underwater trip to Otah Gungah.

Put back scene where Obi-Wan apologizes to Qui-Gon and Jar Jar emerges from the swamp. Be sure to remove added line over shot of company approaching gungans.

Put back whole scene between the Naboo and Boss Nass, including Jar Jar’s hesitancy and cowering.

Make it so Anakin still promises Qui-Gon he’ll hide in the cockpit. Make sure to include line referencing this. He can still look like there’s no autopilot.

Put back full death of Qui-Gon scene and follow up conversation with Yoda.

I don’t know if your still thinking of doing this but I left the stuff I think would be nice. Personally I’ve never been a hater of this movie. It’s just the Jar Jar antics (not enven the character himself) that annoy me. As well as the midichlorian stuff and a few of Anakin’s childish outbursts.

Drakul said:

I don’t know if your still thinking of doing this but I left the stuff I think would be nice. Personally I’ve never been a hater of this movie. It’s just the Jar Jar antics (not enven the character himself) that annoy me. As well as the midichlorian stuff and a few of Anakin’s childish outbursts.

Then this edit isn’t for you.

Hal 9000 said:

For a super canon-friendly, maximalist edit of AOTC, here’s a new change list. Not a replacement for TAS, but a new edit. Here’s what do undo.

Use Sir Ridley’s new title crawl, but with the original AOTC title.

Go ahead and let the camera pan up after the crawl.

Put back Anakin losing his saber and being (more gently?) reprimanded for it. And conversation entering the bar.

Yoda and younglings instead of Mace on platform deleted scene.

Put back little description of Boba Fett.

Put back Obi-Wan and Jango’s dialogue, including name drop of Darth Tyranus.

When Obi-Wan reports to Yoda and Windu, put back Mace asking about the assassination of Amidala.

Maybe work harder to have only R2 leave the ship on Geonosis and save the day, as at least one other edit has done. Ideally not flying, though, as it’d be the only time in the films.

Put back the crowdpleasing saber duel with Yoda.

Sidious can address Dooku as ‘Tyrannus.’

Similarly, just took out the stuff I don’t want.

G&G-Fan said:

Drakul said:

I don’t know if your still thinking of doing this but I left the stuff I think would be nice. Personally I’ve never been a hater of this movie. It’s just the Jar Jar antics (not enven the character himself) that annoy me. As well as the midichlorian stuff and a few of Anakin’s childish outbursts.

Then this edit isn’t for you.

I’ve watched his edits before and I like them. He mentioned thinking about this so I’m just providing feedback in case he’s still thinking of doing this.

I recently gave TAS its absolute final update so I am fully finished with that project and have no intention of revising it further.

COD may or may not get one last spruce up and there’s a couple of those bits and pieces I’d reinstate but nothing major that substantially changes the edit.

And as I mentioned above I’m planning to revise the alternate version of LOE but not the main version. LOE has always been a more different cut from the original than the other to prequels, and so it’s the one least likely to please most people.

And at this point the Hal9000 prequel edits have become enough of a thing that changing them to a large degree would be unfair. Also, you gotta keep in mind that I’ve been fucking around off and on for a total range of years from 2004 to the present. Once this batch of small updates takes place I’m going to publicly swear off touching these three again.

That’s totally fair 😃

“…And finally, the bake sale to raise money for the car wash has been cancelled due to confusion.”

Hal, did you used this?
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