Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released) — Page 30

You mentioned using SiliconMaster482’s version of R2 being captured by the Super Battle Droids. Is there any chance you might implement the little music sting they added over “hands up jedi!” as well?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9sz8uYrw2A
It’s a small thing but I really think it helps to make that scene feel more complete.

I also recommend taking a look at their version of the apartment scene after Obi-Wan leaves for Utapau. I think it does a good job of removing all traces of the second dream sequence while keeping what works about the scene.

I’ve sent Hal links to all relevant scenes and audio. Happy to contribute!

Hal 9000 said:

https://vimeo.com/336657054

That was awful kinky

I don’t really know why we need to have Anakin and Obi-Wan make up. The next time they see each other they’re basically enemies. To me, it would make more sense if neither character never had a chance to tell each other how they really felt, and instead the tension that has been building up throughout the film finally explodes by the time they reach Mustafar. Maybe Anakin could see Obi-Wan off, and they seem like they’re going to say something, but they never do.

I think you’re right that it would slow things down, but I’d have to see it in the context of the movie to know if it’s too much. Honestly I think if you take out the Palpatine office scene, the seeds of rebellion scenes as a whole feel superfluous, and I wouldn’t want to see those go because Padme’s character would be underserved as in the theatrical.

The only other option I can see is to break Obi-Wan’s adventure on Utapau in two, so the ordering would go something like this.

[Wookiee battle] > [Anakin and Obi-Wan make up] > [Anakin and Padmé in apartment] > [Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau, up until the shot of him hooded, stepping into the shadows] > [Sunset Palpatine office scene] > [Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau part 2, begins with the establishing shot of the complex where the separatists are meeting]

There’s also the l8wrtr order:

[Anakin and Obi-Wan make up and Obi-Wan boards the Star Destroyer] > [Anakin and Padmé in apartment] > [Obi-Wan banters with Cody and takes off in his Fighter] > [Sunset Palpatine office scene] > [Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau]

It sounds like it would be jarring but it actually works quite well in his edit.

I’m also partial to where l8wrtr places the 1st seeds of rebellion scene (after Obi-Wan asks Anakin to spy on the chancellor). To me, that scene always felt like the immediate aftermath of the council meeting, hence Anakin bursting out his “what kind of nonsense is this” rant. To wedge Padme’s scene in between as in your edit does, feels a little flow-breaking.

The only issue with l8wrtr’s order there is that the daytime atmosphere of Padme’s scene clashes with the gradual move toward sunset happening between the scenes as ordered in the theatrical version. I wonder if that could be addressed by one of our talented contributors here?

Octorox said:

There’s also the l8wrtr order:

[Anakin and Obi-Wan make up and Obi-Wan boards the Star Destroyer] > [Anakin and Padmé in apartment] > [Obi-Wan banters with Cody and takes off in his Fighter] > [Sunset Palpatine office scene] > [Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau]

It sounds like it would be jarring but it actually works quite well in his edit.

+1 for this. It’s at least worth a shot, IMO.

FYI the way I do it is

Ani and Obi make out
Palpatine office
Apartment
Landing on Utapau

In this scenario Palpatine putting doubt into Anakin about Padmé leads directly into him asking her about Obi-wan. The tricky thing though is you have to cut mention of “he came by this morning,” which I did with the help of the preceding dream sequence. Not sure how it’d be done without that, but I do think it’s a strong ordering.

DominicCobb said:
Ani and Obi make out

This is the edit I want to see.

Seriously though, I’m intrigued by the order you suggested. How did you use the dream sequence to get around the “he came by this morning” line?

Octorox said:

DominicCobb said:
Ani and Obi make out

This is the edit I want to see.

Seriously though, I’m intrigued by the order you suggested. How did you use the dream sequence to get around the “he came by this morning” line?

Well the issue being that their dialogue is in an uncut master shot, so it was tricky but the solution I figured was having Anakin say his first line “Obi-wan was here wasn’t he?” play over the very end of the dream, and then cut into the scene right after Padme’s excised line.

The only other solution I can think of with that order is to try to crib Padme saying “yesterday” from her scene with Obi-Wan so she says “he came by yesterday”, but I’m not sure how seamless that would be in practice. Hal is probably fine leaving the scene out of his edit, due to his not wanting to include the second dream sequence (Personally I would just include it, but Hal has certain goals in mind with his edit)

Hal, what are your thoughts on what I mentioned regarding the placement of the 1st “seeds of rebellion” scene?

Lastly, I thought of how the dialogue could flow if you are able to extend the Yoda meditation scene somehow, and it requires no additional dialogue from Rebels or Clone Wars

Qui-Gon: Yoda, my old friend.
Yoda: Master Qui-Gon, into exile I must go. Failed I have.
Qui-Gon: Come to the Dagobah system. You must complete what I could not.

The “Master Qui-Gon” can be taken from Ep 1 and the “Into exile I must go. Failed I have.” Is from a scene in Ep 3 that you cut. What do you think?

At the opera house, the background image of sperm fertilizing an egg at the opera is inexplicable without the line “he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create…life.”

LordPlagueis said:

At the opera house, the background image of sperm fertilizing an egg at the opera is inexplicable without the line “he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create…life.”

Lol, interesting take. I think Hal already said that he’s bringing back the line about using the force to create life (sans the mention of midichlorians). I think it might also be worth adding back “it’s possible he was conceived by the force (midichlorians in the original film)” to Cloak of Deception while we’re at it. L8wrtr created that dialogue tweak for his edit and it worked quite seamlessly.

Octorox said:

The only other solution I can think of with that order is to try to crib Padme saying “yesterday” from her scene with Obi-Wan so she says “he came by yesterday”, but I’m not sure how seamless that would be in practice. Hal is probably fine leaving the scene out of his edit, due to his not wanting to include the second dream sequence (Personally I would just include it, but Hal has certain goals in mind with his edit)

I believe I tried that and it didn’t work to my liking.

Hal 9000 said:
I think the first seeds of rebellion scene almost has to be placed where I have, due to the lighting and time of day. It’s late morning, not approaching sunset as the Anakin-Obi walk ‘n talk or traffic scenes. Even so, it feels more natural than breaking up the latter two scenes mentioned. My opinion; there’s several edits that have placed the scene in both spots.

That’s fair, although I’d argue the time of day appears wrong in both placements. The council scene already has an overcast early evening thing going on and the sun continues to set throughout the next few scenes. The Seeds of Rebellion scene has a bright morning look as you said. If we’re going purely on time of day, I think the most logical place would be after the new placement of the “Plot to destroy the Jedi” scene and before the scene where Anakin misses a briefing.

For what it’s worth, the original graphic novel adaptation places it between “The Chancellor’s request” and the council scene.