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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!) — Page 28

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I would do myself a favor by perusing NFBism’s cutlist, for certain. However, IDGAF about The Clone Wars, so there’ll be no “General Skywalker” or anything like that. (It’s just soooo ugly to watch.)

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I still think adding a “General Skywalker” here and there helps to make Anakin feel more like an equal to Obi-Wan and less like a subordinate (he is supposed to be a Knight, not a Padawan, at the beginning after all). Ditto with removing any instance of Anakin calling Obi-Wan “master.”

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I’d rather not introduce the title of General into the film for him, I think. I’m also okay with Anakin referring to Obi-Wan as ‘Master’ a few times as a term of endearment and respect, since it’s clear he isn’t formally his padawan anymore.

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Hal 9000 said:

it’s clear he isn’t formally his padawan anymore.

Frankly, I don’t think this is all that clear as the film presents it. Then again, it’s something that was only a subtle nagging in the back of my head until NFBisms ditched all the “master” lines.

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Hal 9000 said:

However, IDGAF about The Clone Wars, so there’ll be no “General Skywalker” or anything like that. (It’s just soooo ugly to watch.)

I understand what you mean, I’m not a huge fan of the animation style in The Clone Wars or Rebels myself either. The Clone Wars was also a very hit or miss show to myself as well.

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I’m with Hal on this one. I think it’s clear they’re on a more equal footing. I also think Anakin calling Obi-Wan master strengthens “Now I am the master” in Star Wars.

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Removing some of the “Obi Wan talking down” to Anakin does helps show they are more on equal footing. Using other audio for the whole “general Skywalker” is so jarring. It is not needing. I like Omni’s point especially for A New Hope’s line and motivation for Vader.

Heck, the others use Master when referring to each other anyway.

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You could go the middle route and include two dialogue tracks, one with and without master that way the audience can choose the one they want.

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Where and who would exactly be saying “General Skywalker” in an edit of Episode III? It would seem a bit obvious that it’s added in if it’s a clone that says it. Temuera Morrison plays the clones in the movies, but Dee Bradley Baker voices them in the shows. The reason why adding Qui-Gon’s line into Hal’s edit worked is because of the placement, context, and that it actually was Liam Neeson’s voice too.

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nl0428 said:

Where and who would exactly be saying “General Skywalker” in an edit of Episode III? It would seem a bit obvious that it’s added in if it’s a clone that says it. Temuera Morrison plays the clones in the movies, but Dee Bradley Baker voices them in the shows. The reason why adding Qui-Gon’s line into Hal’s edit worked is because of the placement, context, and that it actually was Liam Neeson’s voice too.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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nl0428 said:

Where and who would exactly be saying “General Skywalker” in an edit of Episode III? It would seem a bit obvious that it’s added in if it’s a clone that says it. Temuera Morrison plays the clones in the movies, but Dee Bradley Baker voices them in the shows. The reason why adding Qui-Gon’s line into Hal’s edit worked is because of the placement, context, and that it actually was Liam Neeson’s voice too.

NFBisms added in a couple Dee Bradley Baker "General Skywalker"s in his edit and it worked fine for me, and I’m usually real picky about that shit. Mala also made an alternate audio track for Hal’s edit and included these bits from NFBisms as well.

Sorry to derail with this whole thing. If you don’t wanna use it, that’s fine. I’ll just do it myself. 😉

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Another thing about that: having a gentler, fainter version of Obi-Wan as the critical mentor provides a sense of continuity between films. They’re the same characters and, while they’ve grown, can still harken back to where they started. There needs to be some sort of reminder about that to help fuel Anakin getting fed up with him on Mustafar. “Don’t lecture me, Obi-Wan!”
Does that jive with TCW? Not really, even if it is a better take on these characters. But it does work better as follow-up to Episode II, which is what’s most important.

And hey, Mala already expressed interest in updating the alternate audio tracks, so that ought to be to the liking of anyone desiring these sorts of adjustments.

Hmmmmmmmm… I cannot promise anything, but it miiiiight be worth reissuing TAS, even if I don’t change anything, just to include Mala’s audio tracks in the main release. I’ll have to think about this; it’s never a trivial amount of work.

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Personally the “General Skywalker” clips are all very obviously not Temeura Morrison and sound out of place to me. However, I do like some of the other audio edits NFBisms made. Particularly removing the honorifics, replacing “Are you coming master?” with “So are we doing this or what?” and adding an extra “Hey” in another scene go a long way toward making Anakin feel less stilted.

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I think General Grevious and Bail using “General Skywalker” were the main usages in my edit, tho. I think the enemy general and a member of the general public acknowledging his rank and status does way more to age up Anakin than a clone trooper being formal.

I think only one clone says “General Skywalker” in my entire edit, and it was Temuera. And the Baker line I used wasn’t supposed to be a clone, anyway.

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Oh, good to know. I forgot all about the Grievous and Bail uses.

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What were Mala’s additions to TAS?

And have you ever entertained the thought of releasing the new versions of the crawls with their original titles?

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Your ideas and work on Ep3 are exceptional, and they serve your goals very well. They’re just not precisely my goals here.
I believe you used the violin-ish first part of “Anakin’s Dream” to restore Anakin and Padme’s First meeting, right? I like how the latter part of the track faintly echoes Schmi’s funeral and I think I’ll try to find a spot in the movie to work it in.
I seem to recall asking in the past, but I don’t remember what ever came of it, but do you still have the audio you used to give Anakin and Padmé some chuckles before their sunset argument?

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From the NFB’s clips, to me the smoothest and seamless use of “General Skywalker” was from Grevious’ line. The rest of it didn’t work for me personally. Hal, if you wanted to try and keep the relationship between Anakin and Obi Wan, maybe having Grevious would work? Heck, he says General Kenobi already, why wouldn’t he extend the same title to Anakin if he wasn’t.

I don’t suggest this because of Clone Wars or anything, but it would help cement that the two are more on the same level … in that aspect at least.

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I gotta admit, the test clip of Anakin viewing the clones firing down on the Jedi is starting to grow on me in a pretty good way.

Noah Lawson

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About “General Skywalker.” That title is nowhere in the films and, while it’s plausible, I just don’t see benefit in tossing it in there. It’s appropriate for Anakin to be something of “the learner” and Anakin moves along in this film as someone deeply accustomed to be something of a slave. He and Obi-Wan are both knights, but he’s certainly newer at it.
Anakin having a padawan of his own prior to Episode III never felt right to me, personally.

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I’m afraid I am not having any luck with removing Palpatine’s lines about the Jedi killing “all the senators” and Anakin believing the Jedi will move against the Senate. The rear channels are free of dialogue… some of the time, but not during a critical shot. The music playing at that point does not appear on the soundtrack, either. I can’t do anything further than I already have with that conversation without making a big mess out of the music. Hopefully in this version we can somewhat believe that Anakin is choosing to believe these things about the Jedi.

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ChainsawAsh said:
NFBisms added in a couple Dee Bradley Baker "General Skywalker"s in his edit and it worked fine for me, and I’m usually real picky about that shit. Mala also made an alternate audio track for Hal’s edit and included these bits from NFBisms as well.

In fact I took the idea from NFBisms but I did recreate the excepts I used. I don’t remember where NFB placed them, but I made two radio like voiceovers (to somehow try to hide it’s not Temuera’s voice) during the first 20 minutes of Hal’s edit.

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That’s a ok, Anakin is all in, he’s drunk the Kool-aid. I think you can leave it be. Anakin has chosen the side with the guy that started the whole war and controlled both sides, he done thinking. 😉