Star Wars Episode II: The Galaxy Divided (The Brash Cut) - CANCELLED — Page 10

It might have worked better if she fell for his brashness and his lack of courtly manners and rashly married him on Naboo and then discovered all this crap about him later.

Which would have put her into "what the hell have I got myself into situation" instead of the other way around.

Even principled people do things on impulse which they wouldn't necessarily have done if they had thought more about it first.

Imagine the picnic being their honeymoon, a honeymoon cut short by his desire to check on his mother.

The murder thing is an almost impossible circle to square.

The only solution I can come up with is the Dissociative Fugue idea I've posted elsewhere, only that would would still mean dropping the confession scene as he would have no memory of doing those things (he'd just think they were nightmares or possibly predictive warnings, not memories of things he had already done...until he was in the dark stuff so deep he couldn't get out).

I don't know......I'm aware that Lucas' intention with this scene is for it to jump up and down shouting "LOOK, HE'S EVIL!" (which completely undermines Anakin as a good person and the dark side as a corrupting force) however, I don't think it necessarily comes across this way, especially in light of all the other cuts of Anakin being a dick.

The music goes quiet, yes, but it also picks up lightheartedly as soon as Anakin smiles and Padme realises he was just teasing her.

Don't get me wrong, I've always thought he's being serious too, but this interpretation has always been distorted by my already embittered opinion of the character from all other moments in the film.

brash_stryker said:

Here you go, TV's Frink. Just for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82FkCUFeVjc

Opinions? :)

Works pretty well for me.  I honestly don't mind any of the first half of the original scene (as I already stated) but this version is fine.  Not too short in my opinion.

And I always thought Anakin was joking.  Or at least, was pretending to be joking.

The whole problem I have with the way Anakin is shown in the PT is we never get the idea he was a good guy who was seduced by the darkside of the Force.

He is resentful of being a Jedi from pretty much the moment we see him in AOTC (not too surprising coming from the lousy pastoral care he seems to get from the council all the way down to his main teacher/mentor/friend/father figure).

He doesn't see other people using the darkside and covert it's perceived benefits, he doesn't throw himself into using the lightside only to be smacked in the face by it's limitations (unless you count the death of his mother, in which case he should have more tangible proof that the darkside could have saved her, it has the opposite effect on Padme).

Instead we get some snarky gossip putdowns of the Jedi (which he already is snarky about anyway) and a few dubious promises by Palpatine.

Anakin isn't Ben's good friend seduced by the darkside but Obi-Wan's unenthusiastic student who is offered a job being a Sith Lord by the boss Sith on the basis that being a Sith isn't as bad as the Jedi make out it is and the Jedi are pretty much the same thing (which they are).

It's more of a career advancement opportunity than a slip into evil.

Hi slave kid wanna a be a Jedi and see the Galaxy?

Yippee!

Hello Anakin how's the Jedi thing going?

It sucks but it's ok I guess.

Say Anakin, not a Jedi Master yet...ever thought of being a Sith Lord?

Yeah...whatever...

Bingowings said:

It's more of a career advancement opportunity than a slip into evil.

Well now I want to be a Sith too!

cutnshut said:

On a different note...

 

"The galaxy is divided. Several thousand star systems have seceded from, and declared their intentions to overthrow, the Republic." ...

what does seceded mean? not sure if its in the original crawl or not but i hate that word...:(

The galaxy is divided. Several thousand star systems have declared their intentions to overthrow the Republic.

The galaxy is divided. Several thousand star systems have withdrawn from the Republic and declared their:

rebellious intentions to undermine it.

Intentions to overthrow it

Intentions to destroy it.

or something.....

 

Not to knock what you've done Brash!

This is actually the line I struggled with most in writing the crawl as it sounds a bit clunky. It's still a work in progress and a loooong way to being finalised, but seceded means to seperate from.

My reasoning was so that it would be clear that they were part of the republic previously.

I'll probably remove the "seceded from and" so that it just reads "several thousand star systems have declared their intentions to overthrow the republic"

SSWR: I like what you've done with that video. I'm surprised I haven't seen it before. I like how you've transitioned straight from one love scene to another :)

I'll have a look at what I can do to improve the scene. That is if I'm even keeping it...

Maybe just cut the whole dictator conversation...

Maybe this way.

Anakin: Maybe he was the smart one.

Padme: You really don't like politicians do you?

Anakin: Two or three.... But I'm not sure about one of them.

Padme: You're making fun of me.

LAUGHTER

I think when Padmé starts taking an ill reaction to Anakin's political statements, he starts to backtrack on it.  What started out as a serious statement is now something he's trying to pass off as a joke so she doesn't start NOT liking him.

-NJM

^Which is what I was getting at in post 229.  We're in agreement.

Well if that's how most people interpret it, I'm afraid the scene will have to go :(

The most problematic part is the "then they should be made to". I don't see any way around that...

IMHO, I think it's conceivable that he's teasing her, but clearly the majority don't agree.

I've done some further cuts to that meadow scene so that Anakin seems less vehement in his views and it's more plausible that he's joking. Also planning on putting the kiss after the meadow scene as it's a little too short now to justify leaving it in and then cutting back to Kamino immediately.

Uploaded another video. Let me know what you guys think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EAXJw0f6kg

brash_stryker said:

Uploaded another video. Let me know what you guys think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EAXJw0f6kg

Far more natural.. It's a keeper.

mrbenja0618 said:

brash_stryker said:

Uploaded another video. Let me know what you guys think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EAXJw0f6kg

Far more natural.. It's a keeper.

The remarkable thing is this scene is what Lucas wanted but done better, you can hear what they are saying without them having to say it.

Anakin is shy and awkward and Padme is responding to that, you can almost imagine her falling for this guy.

Thanks for the positive comments!

I'm in need of a sound byte, but am unsure if it even exists outside of the Lucasfilm archives.

I'd like to get a clean sound of the original (Jason Wingreen) Boba Fett in TESB saying "as you wish". No music and no Vader breathing.

Unfortunately the one on the soundboards is the Temuera Morrison version, and has vader breathing anyway.

Yeah, I don't know how that'll be possible.  I don't know how one converts laserdiscs to DVD, but taking the dialogue from a laserdisc source with surround sound channels might be the only way.  Still, Vader's breathing might still be there in that center channel where they tend to place all the dialogue in these mixes.  Either that, or maybe someone with Pro Tools can labor over it to try to isolate Wingreen's voice.

Of course, you could ask Adywan since he's reinstating Wingreen's voice into ESB:R, but I don't know how he's going about doing that.

-NJM

Pretty sure Ady is just using an old audio track in its entireity and won't have Winggreen's isolated voice. I'm just wondering if it's ever been released seperately from the movies. E.g. In the same way as some music and effect less voices were released as ringtones (credit to doubleofive for finding those)