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stealthboy said:

It’s a shame these threads have all just turned into torrent / invite request threads. There is no actual discussion content anymore.

Not that this post helps… I just want to complain 😃.

Yes mate - a bit of a kicker that.

I imagine many of us pop in a few of these quality threads from time to time - seeing the thread has been bumped - thinking there may be some new additions to the work, or a new alternative take, or that it has inspired someone to do something similar, or perhaps that the techniques and software used are now easier to compile our own versions of njvc’s great work, or just a good conversation on the topic at hand etc…

but no… it’s yet another ‘can I have a link’ post…

doh!

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oojason said:

I imagine many of us pop in a few of these quality threads from time to time - seeing the thread has been bumped - thinking there may be some new additions to the work, or a new alternative take, or that it has inspired someone to do something similar, or perhaps that the techniques and software used are now easier to compile our own versions of njvc’s great work, or just a good conversation on the topic at hand etc…

but no… it’s yet another ‘can I have a link’ post…

doh!

Same here! I would love to hear NJVC’s process, was there things he tried and failed, if he could do them again, what would he do differently. There’s nothing wrong with this set, but does he dream of a version 2?

There was several possible Blu-ray projects using Harmy’s versions of the OT, and I think this was the only one to cross the finish line.

Is this it?
“Job Done”, NJVC is the winner?

Back in the day, there was a bunch of LD Preservations, where everyone did their own take on it, with their own encoding and menus (1000 pass encode via CCE-SP2 😉)

Bravo NJVC, you did what few spoke of, and fewer delivered!

(I thought requests were going to be deleted to help clear up the threads, but perhaps I misunderstood the ‘sticky’…)

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oojason said:

stealthboy said:

It’s a shame these threads have all just turned into torrent / invite request threads. There is no actual discussion content anymore.

Not that this post helps… I just want to complain 😃.

Yes mate - a bit of a kicker that.

I imagine many of us pop in a few of these quality threads from time to time - seeing the thread has been bumped - thinking there may be some new additions to the work, or a new alternative take, or that it has inspired someone to do something similar, or perhaps that the techniques and software used are now easier to compile our own versions of njvc’s great work, or just a good conversation on the topic at hand etc…

but no… it’s yet another ‘can I have a link’ post…

doh!

That is a top post if I ever saw one…hits the nail on the proverbial head. As I mentioned previously, I find it very ironic that a vast number of those posts usually begin with “I have searched everywhere…”, but yet in all of the searching, no one can seem to find the invite request thread…strange.

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Hi guys I’m new here and I dont know where to post this. ( no its not an invite request bet thats what you thought. )

There seems to be a guy on eBay with a listing right now for the star wars despecialized trilogy probably with the iso types with menus and hes also including tn1 and harmys 35mm scans as well.

He is claiming that the content is free and that there is an honor system that he abides by. This guy is a joke. He claims that the 200 bucks hes charging is just for the cost of the materials and the time it took him to create the set and edit it together.

When really hea probably done very little editing if hes used nvjcs isos . Also printing to discs and printing out disc inserts isnt too expensive or time consuming.

I estimate what hes done costing him no more than about 40 to 50 dollars not the 200 asking price.

Whichever way he describes it hes selling what he shouldnt be selling. Just a heads up and I have reported him.

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Welcome to the forums!

Could you link to this individual so that we could report him as well?

JEDIT: I assume it’s this guy.

While I was at it, I went ahead and reported these douchenozzles as well:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Despecialized-Trilogy-3-Disc-Blu-Ray-Set-/182551738580?hash=item2a80ee78d4:g:P6EAAOSwB-1Y2V-L
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Despecialized-Trilogy-Complete-Edition-/182551739142?hash=item2a80ee7b06:g:~EcAAOSwA29Y5aFY
http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-TRILIOGY-DESPECIALIZED-BLU-RAY-THE-ONLY-WAY-TO-WATCH-/222499885871?hash=item33ce06d32f:g:MfAAAOSwjqVZC95A
This revblazjohn jerk has grossed 9,400 dollars on just the two auctions he has up at the moment.

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Ebay. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy

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It’s really quite upsetting to see these sets selling on Ebay. I put in so many hours creating it, happy to share it freely with fellow fans, but to see guys making big bucks off it… Really quite depressing. And I feel like this exposes me to risk of Disney’s wrath in a way I had not feared before.

I have no answer to this, just sharing the feels.

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njvc said:

It’s really quite upsetting to see these sets selling on Ebay. I put in so many hours creating it, happy to share it freely with fellow fans, but to see guys making big bucks off it… Really quite depressing. And I feel like this exposes me to risk of Disney’s wrath in a way I had not feared before.

I have no answer to this, just sharing the feels.

I dont know what else to suggest I mean truthfully we can all report them but eBay probably wont do anything because if these people are making bank then they are too. It would take Disney as you said to step into the room for eBay to care.

I think the only answer to stop this kind of thing would be being more careful letting knew members in perhaps? Maybe making the forums or certain parts of it private before a certain post count? Or maybe even some kind of loyalty thing like a reccomendation system from an experienced member. Like you have to have a recommendation before you can ask for anything?

Edit…I’m not assuming all the stuff sold comes from here I know these are out there now. But certainly some of the listings seem to have your menus etc…sw2.7 …etc

I’m just thinking out loud here any other ideas people? All I suggest is more hoops for folks to jump through before getting the goods…I know its hard enough as it is. But Disney could cast a large shadow if they wanted to.

Captain, out.

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Perhaps if there was a message at the beginning and end of the films ala what Hal 9000 does on his projects stating that fan projects are not to be bought and sold. An enterprising ebay-er would remove these, but they would have to re-encode the project and some of them might think it’s not worth the hassle. Other than that I don’t see what else to do.

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You don’t want to make it harder than it currently is for people to get these. Most people can’t even grasp where to look for invites to Myspleen, or bother reading the first post or stickied ones, hence the constant requests for help.

It should actually be easier, and then you wouldn’t have these issues.

Disclaimers encoded into the video are a basic deterrent, and will be a slight bump
for the resellers.

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Due to having to re-encode it, if people see it, they might think twice.

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Captain_Danielsan said:

Hi guys I’m new here and I dont know where to post this. ( no its not an invite request bet thats what you thought. )

There seems to be a guy on eBay with a listing right now for the star wars despecialized trilogy probably with the iso types with menus and hes also including tn1 and harmys 35mm scans as well.

He is claiming that the content is free and that there is an honor system that he abides by. This guy is a joke. He claims that the 200 bucks hes charging is just for the cost of the materials and the time it took him to create the set and edit it together.

When really hea probably done very little editing if hes used nvjcs isos . Also printing to discs and printing out disc inserts isnt too expensive or time consuming.

I estimate what hes done costing him no more than about 40 to 50 dollars not the 200 asking price.

Whichever way he describes it hes selling what he shouldnt be selling. Just a heads up and I have reported him.

I went ahead and made myself a set. It has cost me about 125+ to make with professional printing, buying criterion cases, the blank blu-rays, etc… I asked ronwlim here on the site to see if he could make the same box set that he has produced and he quoted me $200. So to ask for $200 isn’t that unreasonable.

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alatizzle said:

Captain_Danielsan said:

Hi guys I’m new here and I dont know where to post this. ( no its not an invite request bet thats what you thought. )

There seems to be a guy on eBay with a listing right now for the star wars despecialized trilogy probably with the iso types with menus and hes also including tn1 and harmys 35mm scans as well.

He is claiming that the content is free and that there is an honor system that he abides by. This guy is a joke. He claims that the 200 bucks hes charging is just for the cost of the materials and the time it took him to create the set and edit it together.

When really hea probably done very little editing if hes used nvjcs isos . Also printing to discs and printing out disc inserts isnt too expensive or time consuming.

I estimate what hes done costing him no more than about 40 to 50 dollars not the 200 asking price.

Whichever way he describes it hes selling what he shouldnt be selling. Just a heads up and I have reported him.

I went ahead and made myself a set. It has cost me about 125+ to make with professional printing, buying criterion cases, the blank blu-rays, etc… I asked ronwlim here on the site to see if he could make the same box set that he has produced and he quoted me $200. So to ask for $200 isn’t that unreasonable.

I think you are overestimating his costs. What the listing that Captain_Danielsan mentioned talks about is not a “box set” but just a set of blu-ray/DVD cases with burned/printed discs.

I have completed five copies of my box set and my total costs per set (excluding the box) at this point are as follows:

BD50 x 4 = $8.00
BD25 x 6 = $6.00
DVD9 x 1 = $1.00
Criterion Blu-Ray Cases x 4 = $4.00
Paper = $2.00
Ink = $1.00

Total = $22.00

The materials cost of my slipacase box is probably another $3.00 - 4.00 per set so even if I included that the total would be under $30.00

That is a LOT of markup to get to $190.00 - $200.00 per set on eBay.

However - even if it was just a few dollars of markup that would be too much when the expressed wishes of the fans who created them are that they would be shared for free and never sold for profit.

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wombat_94 said:

alatizzle said:

Captain_Danielsan said:

Hi guys I’m new here and I dont know where to post this. ( no its not an invite request bet thats what you thought. )

There seems to be a guy on eBay with a listing right now for the star wars despecialized trilogy probably with the iso types with menus and hes also including tn1 and harmys 35mm scans as well.

He is claiming that the content is free and that there is an honor system that he abides by. This guy is a joke. He claims that the 200 bucks hes charging is just for the cost of the materials and the time it took him to create the set and edit it together.

When really hea probably done very little editing if hes used nvjcs isos . Also printing to discs and printing out disc inserts isnt too expensive or time consuming.

I estimate what hes done costing him no more than about 40 to 50 dollars not the 200 asking price.

Whichever way he describes it hes selling what he shouldnt be selling. Just a heads up and I have reported him.

I went ahead and made myself a set. It has cost me about 125+ to make with professional printing, buying criterion cases, the blank blu-rays, etc… I asked ronwlim here on the site to see if he could make the same box set that he has produced and he quoted me $200. So to ask for $200 isn’t that unreasonable.

I think you are overestimating his costs. What the listing that Captain_Danielsan mentioned talks about is not a “box set” but just a set of blu-ray/DVD cases with burned/printed discs.

I have completed five copies of my box set and my total costs per set (excluding the box) at this point are as follows:

BD50 x 4 = $8.00
BD25 x 6 = $6.00
DVD9 x 1 = $1.00
Criterion Blu-Ray Cases x 4 = $4.00
Paper = $2.00
Ink = $1.00

Total = $22.00

The materials cost of my slipacase box is probably another $3.00 - 4.00 per set so even if I included that the total would be under $30.00

That is a LOT of markup to get to $190.00 - $200.00 per set on eBay.

However - even if it was just a few dollars of markup that would be too much when the expressed wishes of the fans who created them are that they would be shared for free and never sold for profit.

I don’t know where you are getting your stuff printed, but most places around me that are willing to print them, which most aren’t due to copyright reasons, have a $25 minimum order and I have to go to a specialty place to get the discs printed on and that put me back $40. And the blu-ray cases are not $4.00, after shipping on casetopia.com I paid $22. The discs after shipping cost more than your total. I know these people on eBay are making a profit. But for some it is just easier to have them make it. I did not have a blu-ray burner I went and bought one so I could do so. There is a demand for them and if you can’t figure out the myspleen invite system, it is very hard to find an invite, so I get why people are paying the premium to get these. I almost caved and did so myself. It took me about a month between paychecks to finally finalize one set. I do understand that people here are getting their stuff taken and made a profit on, that sucks, but when you make it so difficult to get the source material people are going to cave and go the easy way and pay money to get it now.

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alatizzle said:

wombat_94 said:

alatizzle said:

Captain_Danielsan said:

Hi guys I’m new here and I dont know where to post this. ( no its not an invite request bet thats what you thought. )

There seems to be a guy on eBay with a listing right now for the star wars despecialized trilogy probably with the iso types with menus and hes also including tn1 and harmys 35mm scans as well.

He is claiming that the content is free and that there is an honor system that he abides by. This guy is a joke. He claims that the 200 bucks hes charging is just for the cost of the materials and the time it took him to create the set and edit it together.

When really hea probably done very little editing if hes used nvjcs isos . Also printing to discs and printing out disc inserts isnt too expensive or time consuming.

I estimate what hes done costing him no more than about 40 to 50 dollars not the 200 asking price.

Whichever way he describes it hes selling what he shouldnt be selling. Just a heads up and I have reported him.

I went ahead and made myself a set. It has cost me about 125+ to make with professional printing, buying criterion cases, the blank blu-rays, etc… I asked ronwlim here on the site to see if he could make the same box set that he has produced and he quoted me $200. So to ask for $200 isn’t that unreasonable.

I think you are overestimating his costs. What the listing that Captain_Danielsan mentioned talks about is not a “box set” but just a set of blu-ray/DVD cases with burned/printed discs.

I have completed five copies of my box set and my total costs per set (excluding the box) at this point are as follows:

BD50 x 4 = $8.00
BD25 x 6 = $6.00
DVD9 x 1 = $1.00
Criterion Blu-Ray Cases x 4 = $4.00
Paper = $2.00
Ink = $1.00

Total = $22.00

The materials cost of my slipacase box is probably another $3.00 - 4.00 per set so even if I included that the total would be under $30.00

That is a LOT of markup to get to $190.00 - $200.00 per set on eBay.

However - even if it was just a few dollars of markup that would be too much when the expressed wishes of the fans who created them are that they would be shared for free and never sold for profit.

I don’t know where you are getting your stuff printed, but most places around me that are willing to print them, which most aren’t due to copyright reasons, have a $25 minimum order and I have to go to a specialty place to get the discs printed on and that put me back $40. And the blu-ray cases are not $4.00, after shipping on casetopia.com I paid $22. The discs after shipping cost more than your total. I know these people on eBay are making a profit. But for some it is just easier to have them make it. I did not have a blu-ray burner I went and bought one so I could do so. There is a demand for them and if you can’t figure out the myspleen invite system, it is very hard to find an invite, so I get why people are paying the premium to get these. I almost caved and did so myself. It took me about a month between paychecks to finally finalize one set. I do understand that people here are getting their stuff taken and made a profit on, that sucks, but when you make it so difficult to get the source material people are going to cave and go the easy way and pay money to get it now.

I’m not trying to get in a big fight here, but my pricing is what I paid per set.

I did get some economies of scale because I knew I wanted to make at least 5 sets for myself and to give as gifts.

BD50 printable 25disc spindle was $49.95 = $2.00/disc

BD25 printable 50disc spindle was $21.00 = $0.42/disc

DVD9 printable 50disc spindle was $27.00 = $0.54/disc

Casetopia Criterion BD cases… my total order for enough cases to do at least 6 sets was $41.00 shipped (20 3 disc cases and 10 2 disc cases) = $1.37/case

Ink $18.95 for 4 sets of ink for my printer - I used less than two full sets of ink cartridges for 5+ sets, including lots of experimental printing = about $1.00 per set for ink

Paper - I used very high quality HP double sided glossy brochure paper $39.99 for 150 sheets. Each set as the eBay poster has advertised would take 4 to 5 sheets of paper total: About $1.25

All of these are still the prices you can purchase these items for today. Yes, it would be expensive on a per-set basis if you just purchased enough to make one set, but that is not what the ebay sellers are doing. They are probably buying in more bulk than I did for my project.

Just because you chose to/needed to go with a more expensive route for the production of your set, doesn’t mean that it has to cost that much - and I certainly would expect that the ebayer is not having the printed materials professionally printed. He even talks about the cost of ink in his product description. He’s not getting them professionally printed.

I understand that some people don’t have the expertise, equipment or time needed to produce a set on their own, but for someone who is interested, you don’t have to spend anything like $125 - $200 to get a set for yourself.

Heck, with all of the above costs, I didn’t include the one piece of equipment I did have to purchase to do this project: a new Canon MX922 printer to print the discs and high-quality inkjet prints for the inserts/brochures. That printer cost me $80.00 (and included enough ink for at least one full set), so even if I added that to the out of pocket cost for the first set, I still came in under $110.00

It took me a while to get an invitation to MySpleen in order to download the torrents so I could burn my disc… in the interim while I was waiting, I was posting here, exploring what I wanted my box set to look like, etc.

I was treating this like what it was meant to be… a hobby and a community based around a beloved movie from when I was a kid.

The people who are willing to pay $200 on ebay for a set are the smaller part of the problem. The vast majority of them were never going to come here (or other similar sites online) and seek out these discs.

But it is disingenuous to try to give the ebayers a pass because they are only charging a “reasonable” markup for their efforts. They are selling to an audience that doesn’t know or care about this place and by selling it at all… especially at the profit margins they are making… they are risking waking the sleeping bear of Disney/LucasFilm who have so far not taken any action against these fan projects that definitely violate copyright law.

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With the small number of these items sold on ebay, they are a drop in the bucket compared to the official blurays.

I don’t see EBAY cracking down anytime soon, or Disney making the effort to do so either, which is too bad.

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If you really want better comments, some forums place new members on moderation.
That way you can see that the comments they are making, and decide to allow them or not.

If they are requests, they can easily be blocked.

I’ve been on several forums where that is the case. If the new member posts enough quality posts,
then they are put on unmoderated, and are allowed to post to the forums.

Another method, is to have a forum thread, or area, just for new people. Once they make enough
posts, or meet some other criteria, then they are allowed to post in the other forums.

In both cases, they can still read posts from any forum.

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wombat_94 said:

alatizzle said:

wombat_94 said:

alatizzle said:

Captain_Danielsan said:

Hi guys I’m new here and I dont know where to post this. ( no its not an invite request bet thats what you thought. )

There seems to be a guy on eBay with a listing right now for the star wars despecialized trilogy probably with the iso types with menus and hes also including tn1 and harmys 35mm scans as well.

He is claiming that the content is free and that there is an honor system that he abides by. This guy is a joke. He claims that the 200 bucks hes charging is just for the cost of the materials and the time it took him to create the set and edit it together.

When really hea probably done very little editing if hes used nvjcs isos . Also printing to discs and printing out disc inserts isnt too expensive or time consuming.

I estimate what hes done costing him no more than about 40 to 50 dollars not the 200 asking price.

Whichever way he describes it hes selling what he shouldnt be selling. Just a heads up and I have reported him.

I went ahead and made myself a set. It has cost me about 125+ to make with professional printing, buying criterion cases, the blank blu-rays, etc… I asked ronwlim here on the site to see if he could make the same box set that he has produced and he quoted me $200. So to ask for $200 isn’t that unreasonable.

I think you are overestimating his costs. What the listing that Captain_Danielsan mentioned talks about is not a “box set” but just a set of blu-ray/DVD cases with burned/printed discs.

I have completed five copies of my box set and my total costs per set (excluding the box) at this point are as follows:

BD50 x 4 = $8.00
BD25 x 6 = $6.00
DVD9 x 1 = $1.00
Criterion Blu-Ray Cases x 4 = $4.00
Paper = $2.00
Ink = $1.00

Total = $22.00

The materials cost of my slipacase box is probably another $3.00 - 4.00 per set so even if I included that the total would be under $30.00

That is a LOT of markup to get to $190.00 - $200.00 per set on eBay.

However - even if it was just a few dollars of markup that would be too much when the expressed wishes of the fans who created them are that they would be shared for free and never sold for profit.

I don’t know where you are getting your stuff printed, but most places around me that are willing to print them, which most aren’t due to copyright reasons, have a $25 minimum order and I have to go to a specialty place to get the discs printed on and that put me back $40. And the blu-ray cases are not $4.00, after shipping on casetopia.com I paid $22. The discs after shipping cost more than your total. I know these people on eBay are making a profit. But for some it is just easier to have them make it. I did not have a blu-ray burner I went and bought one so I could do so. There is a demand for them and if you can’t figure out the myspleen invite system, it is very hard to find an invite, so I get why people are paying the premium to get these. I almost caved and did so myself. It took me about a month between paychecks to finally finalize one set. I do understand that people here are getting their stuff taken and made a profit on, that sucks, but when you make it so difficult to get the source material people are going to cave and go the easy way and pay money to get it now.

I’m not trying to get in a big fight here, but my pricing is what I paid per set.

I did get some economies of scale because I knew I wanted to make at least 5 sets for myself and to give as gifts.

BD50 printable 25disc spindle was $49.95 = $2.00/disc

BD25 printable 50disc spindle was $21.00 = $0.42/disc

DVD9 printable 50disc spindle was $27.00 = $0.54/disc

Casetopia Criterion BD cases… my total order for enough cases to do at least 6 sets was $41.00 shipped (20 3 disc cases and 10 2 disc cases) = $1.37/case

Ink $18.95 for 4 sets of ink for my printer - I used less than two full sets of ink cartridges for 5+ sets, including lots of experimental printing = about $1.00 per set for ink

Paper - I used very high quality HP double sided glossy brochure paper $39.99 for 150 sheets. Each set as the eBay poster has advertised would take 4 to 5 sheets of paper total: About $1.25

All of these are still the prices you can purchase these items for today. Yes, it would be expensive on a per-set basis if you just purchased enough to make one set, but that is not what the ebay sellers are doing. They are probably buying in more bulk than I did for my project.

Just because you chose to/needed to go with a more expensive route for the production of your set, doesn’t mean that it has to cost that much - and I certainly would expect that the ebayer is not having the printed materials professionally printed. He even talks about the cost of ink in his product description. He’s not getting them professionally printed.

I understand that some people don’t have the expertise, equipment or time needed to produce a set on their own, but for someone who is interested, you don’t have to spend anything like $125 - $200 to get a set for yourself.

Heck, with all of the above costs, I didn’t include the one piece of equipment I did have to purchase to do this project: a new Canon MX922 printer to print the discs and high-quality inkjet prints for the inserts/brochures. That printer cost me $80.00 (and included enough ink for at least one full set), so even if I added that to the out of pocket cost for the first set, I still came in under $110.00

It took me a while to get an invitation to MySpleen in order to download the torrents so I could burn my disc… in the interim while I was waiting, I was posting here, exploring what I wanted my box set to look like, etc.

I was treating this like what it was meant to be… a hobby and a community based around a beloved movie from when I was a kid.

The people who are willing to pay $200 on ebay for a set are the smaller part of the problem. The vast majority of them were never going to come here (or other similar sites online) and seek out these discs.

But it is disingenuous to try to give the ebayers a pass because they are only charging a “reasonable” markup for their efforts. They are selling to an audience that doesn’t know or care about this place and by selling it at all… especially at the profit margins they are making… they are risking waking the sleeping bear of Disney/LucasFilm who have so far not taken any action against these fan projects that definitely violate copyright law.

This. And I’m pretty sure I can make my own set for around £30. That will be a 6 disc set including the de and the 35mms with labels, inserts and a custom made box ive learned how to do ( tutorials rule ) not bothering with slipcovers for my personal taste. I mentioned dollars earlier for the sake of the listing I’m in the UK . I’m really going to enjoy making it to sit on my shelf and view at my pleasure. Then when people are round and say…hey whats this this looks cool! I’ll tell them about all the awesome people here and about All the hard work they have done. What a legacy.

Captain Danielsan’s Disc printing Service thread

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I went ahead and made myself a set. It has cost me about 125+ to make with professional printing, buying criterion cases, the blank blu-rays, etc… I asked ronwlim here on the site to see if he could make the same box set that he has produced and he quoted me $200. So to ask for $200 isn’t that unreasonable.

I think your post is misleading.

You forgot to mention that I was only selling the bluray cases and the box set I designed. I specifically said it did not include the discs. I’ve also been quite clear that the price is only so high because the boxes are a pain in the ass to make, so I price it high as both a deterent for you to buy, worthwhile for me to make and encouragement for you to DIY, since I’ve made all my files available for free.

-Ron