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darthrush said:

Discs were clean and if there was any error it was during the verification process (for both discs) which said “Check Condintion” and “Un Correctable Error”. But it burned and the everything seems to be on there. All special features and menus work wonderfully and most of each film plays fine until a certain section that literally won’t do anything but freeze every 2 seconds.

That’s the point of verification, to verify if the burn was good… meaning that even if the disc finished burning, if it doesn’t verify then something went wrong in the burning process (not that the verification process is bad at comparing burned data to source data)… Sure, perhaps not everything on the disc is fully corrupt and unreadable, but at no point should you have been surprised to find issues on a disc that failed verification.

What you should do at this point (in addition to buying better media), is to take a harder look at what you’re dealing with and what steps you took. What model Pioneer burner are you using, is there a firmware update for that model (a lot of media compatibility is added over time this way)? What speed did you burn at? Was it the maximum speed? If so, try it again on the slowest option available (this helps more than you’d think) (look at the dye of a fast and slow burned disc sometime, you’ll see a lot of inconsistent colors on the fast disc that you don’t see on the slow burned disc) (yes it’ll take a while, but you’re archiving here…).

Also, I’m not sure if this applies to double layer Blu-ray discs, but be aware that there’s more than one standard out there, with LTH (low to high reflectivity, which is the opposite of normal BD-R) discs being cheaper to produce but less compatible with older players and burners. In short, find out what your specific burner is known to work well with, not just what brands have worked for others here with different burners.

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darthrush said:

Discs were clean and if there was any error it was during the verification process (for both discs) which said “Check Condintion” and “Un Correctable Error”. But it burned and the everything seems to be on there. All special features and menus work wonderfully and most of each film plays fine until a certain section that literally won’t do anything but freeze every 2 seconds.

That’s the point of verification, to verify if the burn was good… meaning that even if the disc finished burning, if it doesn’t verify then something went wrong in the burning process (not that the verification process is bad at comparing burned data to source data)… Sure, perhaps not everything on the disc is fully corrupt and unreadable, but at no point should you have been surprised to find issues on a disc that failed verification.

What you should do at this point (in addition to buying better media), is to take a harder look at what you’re dealing with and what steps you took. What model Pioneer burner are you using, is there a firmware update for that model (a lot of media compatibility is added over time this way)? What speed did you burn at? Was it the maximum speed? If so, try it again on the slowest option available (this helps more than you’d think) (look at the dye of a fast and slow burned disc sometime, you’ll see a lot of inconsistent colors on the fast disc that you don’t see on the slow burned disc) (yes it’ll take a while, but you’re archiving here…).

Also, I’m not sure if this applies to double layer Blu-ray discs, but be aware that there’s more than one standard out there, with LTH (low to high reflectivity, which is the opposite of normal BD-R) discs being cheaper to produce but less compatible with older players and burners. In short, find out what your specific burner is known to work well with, not just what brands have worked for others here with different burners.

Thanks for all your advice. Here’s my info:

I have bought the latest Pioneer Slim BDXL burner (2 days ago, most recent). I burn at 4x, max is 6x. And hopefully the verification process will work when I try different discs.

Here’s my plan of action:

-Buy new verbatim discs from Amazon. Highly reviewed and trusted.
-Burn at 2x for maximum chance of success.
-hopefully verification works

Thanks for your help again, and do you think this plan of action sounds good? I think it should solve my problem.

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While waiting on those other discs, might as well try another of your cheap discs at the lowest speed and see if you get a different result.

(Also, what speed are the discs themselves rated for?)

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ImgBurn will tell you what speeds are available to write at, but yes 2x is around what I’m thinking.

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darthrush - are you using the pioneer BDR-XD05? If so that’s that one I have and even reviewed off amazon. I’ve had great success with it since early this year for DVD, DVD9, and BD25. I’ve stuck mainly to plexdisc (the glossy printables are amazing), letting imgburn auto detect the max write speed, and I’ve not had any coasters or failures. I second that verification is a time sink, but is a good idea to do as my previous Laptop DVD burner did fail me once. I will say that my PS3 played the BD25 smoothly, but I did run into a little spat of freezing (medal award sequence in SW) on the PS4. So I threw in ROTJ just to see if might be a consistent bad burn/burner combo. Nope. Then I played SW again. Nothing. So I’m sticking with the plexdisc moving forward for the BD50s and see what happens.

I have to say that BDR-XD05+PlexDisc Liquid Defense Glossy+Canon Pixma922 = Amazing Dics!

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Thanks for your help dogdoctor! 😃

So I tried one last time at 2x speed with another one of my cheap ridata discs annnndddd… Same issue. But Iv noticed a pattern, which is that the freezing always happens (with every one of these cheap discs) at the halfway point in the movie for 2 or 3 chapters.

Now that I have done this and have this info, should I go through with purchasing the Amazon trusted (and slightly pricey) verbatim discs or is this another issue.

It’s a brand new burner (a couple days old, latest slim pioneer model, Best Buy) that seems to work fine. Iv tried the discs in a Samsung player, a Sony player and with my burner (software is PowerDVd 16) and the issue happens across the board. I really hope it’s the discs and hope to buy verbatim but the fact that it freezes at the middle of the film makes me worry about layer break issues?

Iv heard only a little bit of the term (layer break) thrown around so I don’t know what layer breaking is, how it’s an issue, if it originates in the Media, the burner or the player?

All in all, should I invest more dollars in verbatim discs, keeping all the info Iv given you in mind.

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A Layer Break is the point at which you switch from the first layer of the disc (the first ~24GB) to the second. It isn’t usually a huge issue with blu-rays, since the players buffer so much video ahead of where you’re currently viewing. It’s a much bigger issue for dual layer DVDs. But to answer your question, it would be related to the burning procedure (software, settings) and to some degree the player. Not sure if the media itself can affect this, unless the player is struggling to read it and not buffering properly?

It’s worth getting decent discs at some point anyway. Blu-rays, unlike DVDs and CDs, have an extremely thin plastic surface to read through before hitting the data layer ( http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/blu-ray-6.gif ), meaning that a tiny, shallow scratch can hit the data. Official discs have very good protective, anti-scratch coating on the surface for this reason. Verbatim discs have a different, but still very good, anti scratch protection. I don’t know if other brands copy the technique or use their own, but I’d be wary to trust a cheap brand.

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darth - I would absolutely pick up some new discs. I’ve always been recommended to use quality discs…too much headache and time wasted when you use the cheap stuff and get failures. Now I will say, I might consider getting some less expensive but quality DVDs too. I’d burn a few DVDs first to see if you run into the same issue - if so then it’s a burner/software issue and you haven’t wasted more BDs. I did check out the Best Buy website and without the exact model number provided, I think you have the same drive as I. I looked at the pioneer website and there is a firmware update for it, as well as a drive utility software that lets you play around with drive speeds (especially reading speeds). I think I am running the original firmware, and only downloaded the drive utility.

I double checked - yeah, I’m using the windows 10 installed driver (10.0.10586.0) from 6/21/2006. Been working fine so I haven’t rocked the boat.

EDIT: OK - Odd the firmware listed above is the one found in the widows device manager. Imgburn is telling me the drive is using 3.01 the latest from pioneer - so maybe I did update it.

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@darthrush
We’re to the point we need you to be more specific about your setup, such as: the exact model number of your BD drive (plus which firmware it is on, if you can find that information), what operating system and version you’re on (win7, win10, pro/home, 64/32-bit, etc.), what burning program are you using (I’ve been assuming ImgBurn) and which revision (then we should dig into what steps you went through when using the program), where did you get your copy of the file and is it corrupt, whether you’re plugging into a USB3.0 or USB2 port, etc. (and whatever other information along this level of detail you can think to add).

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I double checked - yeah, I’m using the windows 10 installed driver (10.0.10586.0) from 6/21/2006. Been working fine so I haven’t rocked the boat.

EDIT: OK - Odd the firmware listed above is the one found in the widows device manager. Imgburn is telling me the drive is using 3.01 the latest from pioneer - so maybe I did update it.

Driver (what the OS uses to communicate with a device) and firmware (on-device information that tells the device its purpose in this world) are different things.

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I have to say that BDR-XD05+PlexDisc Liquid Defense Glossy+Canon Pixma922 = Amazing Dics!

Awesome Freudian there.

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yoda-sama said:

@darthrush
We’re to the point we need you to be more specific about your setup, such as: the exact model number of your BD drive (plus which firmware it is on, if you can find that information), what operating system and version you’re on (win7, win10, pro/home, 64/32-bit, etc.), what burning program are you using (I’ve been assuming ImgBurn) and which revision (then we should dig into what steps you went through when using the program), where did you get your copy of the file and is it corrupt, whether you’re plugging into a USB3.0 or USB2 port, etc. (and whatever other information along this level of detail you can think to add).

Yeah we need more specifics.

@ yoda - as soon as I edited my post I realized I was talking about two different things. Doh!

darth’s question though got me to look into my setup as I plan to burn/print some BD50s. I still can’t figure out why on my Win10 Pro, 64 bit, USB 3.0 laptop using BDR-XD05S over USB 3.0 - imgburn reads my system as Win8 Pro (was upgraded to 10), and finds my Pioneer Drive at USB 2.0 in the log when starting the software. It might just be a registry error and have zero effect on the burning…I can’t tell.

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Blu ray Burner Model (Pioneer Slim) : BDR-XD05S
Operating System: Windows 10, 64 bit
Burning Program: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0 ( I also have Nero Burning ROM but have not tried it yet)
Source of ISO Files: I downloaded them directly from myspleen, the latest versions of each disc uploaded by njvc himself. Verified hash check, all downloaded successfully.
USB 2.0 or 3.0?: My computers ports are 2.0 and the drive came with both 3.0 and 2.0 cords but only the 3.0 connection actually had the computer register a new BD drive. the 2.0 did not work.
Other Info: Computer RAM is 6 gb, intel 5 processor

Im at school so I cannot recall my current firmware but I did buy the burner brand new from best buy a couple days ago.

Hope this info helps. thinking I maybe I should try burning with nero.

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darthrush said:

USB 2.0 or 3.0?: My computers ports are 2.0 and the drive came with both 3.0 and 2.0 cords but only the 3.0 connection actually had the computer register a new BD drive. the 2.0 did not work.

I’ve looked up the manual for your model–just to make absolutely sure–and there’s not supposed to be two USB cords included, are you talking about one cord with two USB connectors on the end? Assuming that probability, when you’re running a drive like this over just USB 2.0, the second connector is for additional power (not a choice between USB versions), which a USB3.0 port would otherwise be able to supply through a single connector. With your setup, you should be plugging in both USB connectors so you have enough power. Try it again this way.

Also, Nero hasn’t been good in a long time, I’d advise against bothering with that at this point.

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yoda-sama said:

darthrush said:

USB 2.0 or 3.0?: My computers ports are 2.0 and the drive came with both 3.0 and 2.0 cords but only the 3.0 connection actually had the computer register a new BD drive. the 2.0 did not work.

I’ve looked up the manual for your model–just to make absolutely sure–and there’s not supposed to be two USB cords included, are you talking about one cord with two USB connectors on the end? Assuming that probability, when you’re running a drive like this over just USB 2.0, the second connector is for additional power (not a choice between USB versions), which a USB3.0 port would otherwise be able to supply through a single connector. With your setup, you should be plugging in both USB connectors so you have enough power. Try it again this way.

Also, Nero hasn’t been good in a long time, I’d advise against bothering with that at this point.

Yah, sorry it’s one cord with two USB connectors on the end. I’ll try another burn at 2x with both plugged in and tell u how it goes. With the cheap discs still.

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I tried at 2x with both plugs connected for max power but it still freezes a ton in the middle. I really do think I’m gonna buy verbatim off Amazon. In the IMGBurn forums a trusted mod responded to a mans post who is having the same issue as I am and the mod linked him a post that he did all about the issue. He basically listed a couple brands that he considered “cheap” media and that you would have issues with. Ridata was one of them. Iv tried all options and I think the discs are the true issue.

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It is a thing of beauty for sure. Glad to hear that you’re getting things sorted

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I’m sorry if this has been asked before, but I’ve searched and haven’t been able to find an answer.

Are the 3.0 versions that Harmy is (presumably) working on planned to be the “final” versions of the movies? Also, do we know which Harmy is working on currently?