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Harmy said:

The "fixed" frames look as if someone took a really badly compressed video (and I mean as compressed having a 2hrs long 1080p film compressed to less than 1GB) and sharpened the hell out of it. This kind of thing actually seems to affect most of the samples you post -1. What's up with that?

 

we need to keep the full uncompressed images,

and videos under wraps for now..

 

besides even that Greedo scene is 9Gigs or something HUGE.

there's no way i could post (or would even try) just for that.

when the final version is released, there won't be any of

those issues with it.

I'm sorry dude but are you being intentionally thick on this issue? I wasn't asking why you weren't posting uncompressed images and videos, I was asking why you're posting very very heavily compressed ones. The fact that one scene takes up 9GB in uncompressed is irrelevant, because you can compress the same scene to like 200MB or even less and it should still look perfectly decent. The quality you keep posting looks like you've compressed the scene that was 9GBs in uncompressed to 2MB.

I don't mean to be rude or anything, I'm just trying to understand why you keep posting these godawful images when it seems illogical.

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Harmy said:

 

I'm sorry dude but are you being intentionally thick on this issue? I wasn't asking why you weren't posting uncompressed images and videos, I was asking why you're posting very very heavily compressed ones. The fact that one scene takes up 9GB in uncompressed is irrelevant, because you can compress the same scene to like 200MB or even less and it should still look perfectly decent. The quality you keep posting looks like you've compressed the scene that was 9GBs in uncompressed to 2MB.

I don't mean to be rude or anything, I'm just trying to understand why you keep posting these godawful images when it seems illogical.

gotcha..

ok...

yeah, must be the compression scheme, 

going from uncompressed -> WMV -> AVI

then scaling down does that..

 

well, too late to do anything about that now.

since we're getting closer to completing it.

maybe future pics won't have that issue.

 

later

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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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Hey, that looks pretty good.  Too bad that project died. Your involvement was appreciated. :)

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darth_ender said:

I'm happy with any deleted scene improvement.  Please show.

Tim, I imagine it's pretty tough.  The colorized It's a Wonderful Life is only fair.  I think it'd be neat, but I understand it's not worthwhile.  As for filming new actors, I agree that would be fantastic.

I just checked out your videos and noticed that you placed certain scenes in a different order than what they should be. I'm guessing this is intentional.

The new deleted scene featuring the shootout with the storm troopers inside the bunker is placed as the second attempt to enter it, when it should be right before they enter the bunker's lower communication room in their first attempt.

The other scene is when Jerjerrod spitefully decides to blow up the moon of Endor hoping to gain some satisfaction before he dies. This was something "he" decided on, not ordered to do. According to the novel, this should happen after the Emperor is dead and when the Rebel ships started causing major damage to the Death Star after its shield was destroyed. And like what happened in ANH, the Death Star explodes right before the act to destroy its target.

If anything should be changed, it should be this. Maybe you can throw in some scenes showing these Rebel ships firing on the Death Star's exterior. This was emphasized in the novel, but some reason Lucas forgot to show us a scene where this happens.

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I know, I've read the novel.  You should check out the ROTJ Collaborative thread in my signature.  The purpose of my crappy video was to show a different possible ending that would hopefully increase the tension and downplay the Ewoks' efforts.  Yes, my reorganization was intentional.  If you read my script (also in the signature), you'll see that I've even further broadened the idea, hoping for Rebel ships attacking the Death Star (at least I'm pretty sure I added that specifically--if not, I should).

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More of a fan edit thing.

I would love to have the idea of Piett deliberately scuppering the Executor to save his fleet and the ground troops from the Death Star by weakening it (something that could be backed up by combined Rebel and Imperial capital ship fire).

It gives Piett a character arc and gives the ship a better send off and would work with the abandoned idea for which the deleted material exists.

It sets the scene for fast collapse of the Empire (which otherwise seems improbable) if on top of victories there are defections.

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So... I thought I'd make my first attempt at editing. I'm using Windows Movie Maker on a laptop, so we're talking about a lot of mistakes and SD-res (because laptop is not the fastest), and there's no fixed effects or color correction. Also, I don't really know much about editing a multi-angle scene together. But hey, it's worth a try.

https://vimeo.com/49120755

Password is OT. You can skip the Emperor's scene if you want, and nothing is different once the fleet shows up (although I should have put in one of the alien pilots), I just wanted to give the viewer as much context as they desired. Sources used are the Blu-ray deleted scenes and DJ's GOUT V3, and I'm using http://starwarz.com/starkiller/2010/05/revenge-of-the-jedi-expanded-script/ as a guide.

ROTJ Storyboard Reconstruction Project

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Forgive my ignorance of such matters but one of the problems with these deleted scenes (not just the OT ones but the PT ones 'finished' for the DVD sets but not the blu-ray) is resolution.

From a preservation sense this is insurmountable (there is only so much silk purse you can get from a sow's ear).

But approaching it from the fan-edit side is it possible to mask the lower than HD resolution by reducing the size of the elements in a frame and remounting them in HD mattes (sort of like what Harmy did when putting OUT elements into scenes partly derived from the SE)?

One example, the alien pilots in ROTJ.

In the SE and the PT there are lots of shots of pilots moving around and talking seen from fighter cockpit windows (the same goes for things like nuGalactica).

If a model A-Wing was made and added to the battle and the deleted elements (cleaned and free of scratches) were reduced in frame to fit into the model, would it hide the resolution drop off?

If the bunker footage was placed in an HD matte of the original set or a more elaborate one where the current actors were more distant in the composition and maybe supplemented with new actors in the foreground would that serve to make the material more presentable or would it look more obviously fake?

Does the eye perceive more distant objects as lower in resolution than closer 

 

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Bingowings said:

Forgive my ignorance of such matters but one of the problems with these deleted scenes (not just the OT ones but the PT ones 'finished' for the DVD sets but not the blu-ray) is resolution.

I agree. That's why I used Puggo's ESB transfer for my primitive "extended version"

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TV's Frink said:

Kurgan said:

Incidentally I remember when the Blu-Rays were coming out there was a youtube video (with the official blu-ray logo thing at the start, but I suppose somebody could have edited that in to make it look authentic) which showed Luke throw (and miss) with his grappling hook, then try a second time and get it, just like people always thought they saw back in the day. But yet I never saw that again in the list of deleted scenes. Was this just a joke on the part of LFL?

It was a joke on the part of our very own Harmy.

Is it still available on YouTube, Frink?

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For the record, while we're happy about the Luke, treadwell, vaporator scene being released in color at a proper frame rate, it is notable the the crummy, b&w version is actually a different take...for all those completionists out there...

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To everyone doing the clean up / restorations... YOU ROCK!

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TheBoost pipes Dwayne Douglas Johnson into every thread, like some musky man-flavoured fondant :-D

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Any new progress on these?  

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Anybody want to upload some new vids?


Happy New Year!

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PhineasBg did something similar with Highlander II.

We called it the kitchen sink edition

 

Basically, without restoring footage we just spliced every single piece of footage known to man, cannes footage, documentary footage, all known version together.

 

This created a heck of a long version but was very jarring. However, it was fun to watch since it had all known material. Using the original soundtrack we went back and added footage. We also did this with DUNE - Third Stage

 

With Dune we had to guess on the what score would have been used for deleted footage. With Star Wars, there is a boat load of soundtracks and audio. For example, I believe the score for the Treadwell scene exisits in audio form somewhere. Some of the audio could be used from the radio star wars for some scenes. 

Would be a fun project.

 

Star Wars - The Kitchen Sink Edition, lol 

Remember, Highlander, you’ve both still got your full measure of life. Use it well, and your future will be glorious.

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A friend of mine and I did this with back in the mid-nineties on VHS.  It only had the Behind the Magic deleted scenes and the Holiday Special cut footage, but it was pretty cool to see it incorporated.

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Sorry to jump in in the middle of this, but I'm curious is this thread only about A New Hope? Here's the reason I ask:

A while back (before HD Blu Ray versions were available) there were extended cuts of the prequel trilogy released by ADigitalMan which incorporated all available footage back into the films for the fullest possible runtimes (sort of along the lines of what Peter Jackson does in his extended Lord of the Rings).

Personally, I like having these extended cuts available as an option, but now that the Blu Ray's have been released, the picture resolution of the ADigitalMan extended cuts has become outdated. Could I convince anyone to do these extended cuts in High Def? (I understand that occasionally there could be an unavoidable quality drop when certain footage is incorporated, and I'm fine with that; my main concern is having all footage put back in there).

At the very least I think Revenge of the Sith benefits greatly from having the deleted footage put back in. But regardless of whether this improves the movies I think it's a fanedit that should exist.

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Yes, I too was wondering if I could flood the forum with requests for other people to do everything for me?  Thanks all! ;)

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darth_ender said:

Yes, I too was wondering if I could flood the forum with requests for other people to do everything for me?  Thanks all! ;)

ALLOL

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C'mon, that was really pretty unfriendly. This is a thread about reincorporating deleted scenes, is it not? Are my comments/requests somehow less welcome than other people's?

I've been very excited about this site since I joined, but now I'm thinking maybe I should just leave. If there's a shared sentiment that I'm not wanted here, then I don't want to be here, but I'm disappointed in this environment where one person can talk down to another and get laughter as a response. If darth_ender can be a dick like that without something being done about it, then this is a poorly managed forum. Now how about a response to my previous post that actually has some decency to it and at least some basic level of respect?