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Originally posted by: Han's Girlfriend
what i mean is that the style of that picture is clearly from the '70s. and since this is not the version of the movies released in '77, '80 and '83, imo it's incredibly hypocritical to play on people's memories of the original edition. i'm 21, meaning that i wasn't around when they came out at that time but when i see that picture i associate it with the pre SE and not with the SE. the SE have their own posters and they should have used those for the DVD release.
and i didn't mean that they do that to con people in believing that those are the original ones but only that they are using the poster of the movies that established SW as a cult trilogy, for releasing the SE.


Ok, I see your point. But I mean that is a pretty popular Star Wars image, but like I said, I agree it can be misleading. Perhaps the disc covers inside have some kind of SE image inside.

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It is definitely misleading. If it is the SE, it shouls say SE on the box. And Jimbo, even if it was the original versions it wouldn't say that on the box. The movie wasn't called "Star Wars original version", it was called Star Wars. The SE's had "Special Edition" in the title; that's what they were called. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't put on the box what is actually inside, unless they have something to hide.
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thank you Samatar....
he's right jimbo...

Lucas is misleading the public because he is fat and old... lol
go sleep with Lucas if you love him so much jimbo...

and go vote for some more of those gay polls you and all the fans boys enjoy doing so much...
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But these DVDs are not exactly the same as the 1997 Special Editions so calling them Special Editions woud be misleading.
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then call them the ultimate editions...
anything but the Star Wars trilogy...

because its not the original!!
ive argued this many times and you still havent gotten it through ur thick skull...
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But these DVDs are not 1997 Special Editions and they are not the Ultimate Editions. Whats he gonna call them. The slightly above Special Editions.
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thank you Samatar....
he's right jimbo...

Lucas is misleading the public because he is fat and old... lol
go sleep with Lucas if you love him so much jimbo...

and go vote for some more of those gay polls you and all the fans boys enjoy doing so much...


Alright, if we're all going to bi@@@, then let's go. I know the majority of people think the SE suck. Good day to you. However, they are just as much SW as the OT are. It is going over to fanaticism when you say there are changes, so it shouldn't be just called Star Wars. That's like saying different revisions of the Bible can't be called the Bible or they MUST have the version right on the front cover. And we don't know if the box itself has a flap like Beauty and the Beast, you pop it open and it says something like, "The Star Wars Trilogy with all new special effects" or something like that. So what I am saying is the OT does not have the only right to the throne here. If anyone had some common sense, it would be, "The OT should say the Original Star Wars Trilogy and the SE the Defintive Star Wars Trilogy or something like that." Even the damn Faces were marketed that way, last time to own the original Star Wars Trilogy! And I think it is rude and makes you just as guilty as jimbo of insinuating fans of the SE, presumably since they were in the poll, as something less then you are. An SE and/or prequal fan is just as much a Star Wars fan, and not any stupider, as an OT fan like yourself. Now put that Lapti Nek in your pipe and smoke it!

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But these DVDs are not exactly the same as the 1997 Special Editions so calling them Special Editions woud be misleading.



Come on jimbo, wake up and smell the coffee! Without him saying anything in most press releases or on the box about how they are different, that is much more misleading. If he said they were the SE more or printed it on it, people at least would think, "Well, these are not going to be quite like the OT." You said yourself that the differences between the SE of '97 and the Somewhat UE of '04 are going to be small, so that is much less misleading all things considered.


Just in general right now I am getting pissed with both sides because you don't have a comprimising or cordial bone in your body to each other with alot of this. If you figured out that most people that signed the petion and many that didn't I bet would agree with me perhaps we all wouldn't be making fun of and treating each other like a@@h@@es in the first place.
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I personally disagree. The name Special Editions was the name given to the 1997 theatrical movies. If these DVDs are not as they were in 1997 then they are not Special Editions and labling them that would be false. Labling them as originals would be more false but I think the best way is to just call them what it is. The Star Wars trilogy. These are the same movies.
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I detect a flaw in your argument.

You say that they shouldn't be called the Special Editions, because they are not the same since they have been slightly altered since then.

Yet at the end of your post, you say they should be called the Original Trilogy because they are the same movies.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Different versions but the same movie
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Okay, so maybe he shouldn't call them "Star Wars" or "Star Wars SE". He can call them "Star Wars 2004 edition" or "Star Wars pre ultimate edition" or "Star Wars version 2.4A" or whatever... but it should be made clear that they are not the original movies. You say they are the same, but they aren't. That's a bit like saying, for example, that the old version of "Pscho" and the new one are the same. Or saying that the original "Blade Runner" and the Directors cut are the same. I understand that they only released the directors cut on DVD, but they clearly labelled it as such; they didn't try to hide it And the differences between those two versions are much more subtle.

Lucas is supposedly proud of the differences he's made so why isn't he promoting them? If anything he should have large print on the box advertising the fact that these aren't the crappy OT's but the vastly superior new editions...
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I would mind something like "2004 edition" but he can not lable them Special Editions. I honestly have no problem. If people are to stupid as to not research a product before they buy it then they deserve to loose there money.
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Well, personally, I can't say that I have "researched" every DVD or video I have ever bought. If I see something I like in a shop and it is a movie I want, I might just pick it up off the shelf, read the blurb on the back, and buy it. Star Wars is different for me, but many people may just see it and think"Hey, Star Wars is out on DVD, I might just get it..." Or they may buy it as a gift...
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I personally disagree. The name Special Editions was the name given to the 1997 theatrical movies. If these DVDs are not as they were in 1997 then they are not Special Editions and labling them that would be false. Labling them as originals would be more false but I think the best way is to just call them what it is. The Star Wars trilogy. These are the same movies.


Not the exact same movies, but since GL is only releasing one it's not like in the world of mainstream consumer video that there are multiple versions practically anyway.


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Okay, so maybe he shouldn't call them "Star Wars" or "Star Wars SE". He can call them "Star Wars 2004 edition" or "Star Wars pre ultimate edition" or "Star Wars version 2.4A" or whatever... but it should be made clear that they are not the original movies. You say they are the same, but they aren't. That's a bit like saying, for example, that the old version of "Pscho" and the new one are the same. Or saying that the original "Blade Runner" and the Directors cut are the same. I understand that they only released the directors cut on DVD, but they clearly labelled it as such; they didn't try to hide it And the differences between those two versions are much more subtle.

Lucas is supposedly proud of the differences he's made so why isn't he promoting them? If anything he should have large print on the box advertising the fact that these aren't the crappy OT's but the vastly superior new editions...



Well, considering the Faces release was not even the "true" original releases, but the closest we will probably have, if we get into semantics, none of the DVDs will be the OT or the SE. They will (or would in the case of the OT) just be very close.

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Well, personally, I can't say that I have "researched" every DVD or video I have ever bought. If I see something I like in a shop and it is a movie I want, I might just pick it up off the shelf, read the blurb on the back, and buy it. Star Wars is different for me, but many people may just see it and think"Hey, Star Wars is out on DVD, I might just get it..." Or they may buy it as a gift...



Thank you, that was the exact point I was trying to make and I think you summed it up best here.
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How come the Indiana Jones DVDs were not labled as different from the theatrical versions.
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As far as I am aware the Indiana Jones DVD's contained very minor changes that you wouldn't even notice unless you were told about them. If I am wrong and there were changes that effected the story line (EG additional scenes) or were very noticeable, then it should have been labelled as such...
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No changes are very minor. Just deleting set props and the glass protecting Harrison Ford. Still if its not the original version exactly then it should be labled according to many on the site.
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I think you are splitting hairs a bit there. If the SE'a had only involved very minor changes like that I for one wouldn't have any problem. I would imagine most people here feel the same way...
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yeah, you can't compare deleting Indy's reflection from that glass to making Greedo shoot first.
for example, on starwars.com there's a thread called "no george! leave greedo alone!" can you imagine a simlarr one about IJ called "no george! leave the glass reflection alone!" hell no...
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This is getting a little weak in that you are saying, "Because we don't like the SE changes versus other changes in movies, that should be the deciding factor." I don't. I would be moved to have a petion for Indy and the glass if I thought anyone cared however. Still, just as with the Faces, a case could be made they are NOT the originals, they are different.
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I have to add my two cents here. Those minor corrections happen all the time. A visible camera reflection was digitally removed in the Eyes Wide Shut DVD. There's the Indy DVD's, where those minor problems were removed. You see, when it's a correction, like visible camera, visible prop, it's ok. If the SE only corrected the sound, restored the image quality, corrected the light sabers cuts and any other problems like that, I'd love the SE's. But what they did is to change the movie adding scenes and CGI. So I'm ok with the Indy DVD's, and I still consider them "originals".
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What about The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. Both DVDs were different from the theatrical release but were not labled as such. Phantom Menace has three minutes added to the movie. Attack of the Clones has 30 seconds added to the movie. Should they have been labled Special Editions.
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wow...3 minutes in one, 30 seconds in the other... [ironic]that's a lot[/ironic]

here's my proposal for a definition of special-edition-worthy changes: Changes that are so obvious that most people notice them and that affect the storyline and the character development. Excluding new scenes, these are not changes to existing scenes but only additions.
(I know, it sounds confused and contradictory so if someone can find a better one, please go ahead)

Indiana Jones: not SE
TPM and AOTC: not SE
Blade Runner Director's Cut: SE
SW SE: duh

another question: why didn't George Lucas call the SE "Director's Cut"?
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I dunno if you can technically call it a director's cut as that implies that the footage existed previously and this version is recut using that footage. Since that is not how SW SE was dealt with, I don't see how they can use that nomenclature. Or is that just my skewed way of looking at things?
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No, I agree with that way of looking @ things. Of course, my way of looking @ things is probably skewed as well.

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