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Star Wars Custom Blu Ray Saga Set (a WIP) — Page 2

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Thank you!  First post updated with a bit more bonus material, with more to be added.  

I'm playing around with the idea of creating new names for the various special editions, as "special edition v2" and "special edition v3" sound a bit stale.  Obviously '97 versions will remain the "special editions", but something new for '04 and '11 would just create a more interesting set I think.  The problem of course being that the names would have to sound more upgraded from "special", thus implying that they are somehow better, which of course they are not, but I can't shake the feeling that "v2" and "v3" are boring in the extreme.  Any ideas/opinions on this front?

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Cool.  Depending on when your project is released in relation to when I author mine (bonus discs are being authored first and will take a while to gather all the sources in said discs) and if the team has no problem with it, your restoration may be the source for my theatrical SW, or the discs may be re-authored with those versions in the future, however I'm not going to restrict myself to when TN1's restoration job is finished, as it is, after all, a separate project, but like I've said before, as better preservations and restorations come along, it wouldn't be too hard to update the blu-rays (I plan on keeping the project files).

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So, upon finally getting my computer fixed and running some tests on this, I come to find that my software of choice (Adobe encore) offers branching, but not seamless branching. 

Does anyone know of any (preferably Mac compatible) applications for BD authoring which offers this function?

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pm (which you might find is the only way to discuss this topic) ;(

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team_negative1 said:

We've mentioned a few times we have the 81 Crawl scanned in HD,

 Who typed which letters?

Team Olie

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You can do it with BDedit on PC. Author your disc with the "non-seamless" version, and then use BDedit to set the MPLS files as seamless.

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You can do it with BDedit on PC. Author your disc with the "non-seamless" version, and then use BDedit to set the MPLS files as seamless.

 Interesting. Just do it as playlists and then switch the seamless flags?

Edit: I'm still learning about this stuff, so sorry if this doesn't make sense - 

Non-seamless files should have multiple audio tracks (one for each alternate video), right? And seamless should be multiple video angles paired to the same audio track? If so, how should it be set up in order to later change in BDedit?

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Yes switch the c tags to 5 (except the first file) and set the intime to 11.650 or similar.

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Oops, looks like I added to my post right as you were responding. Thanks for clarifying, though.

And, actually, I know you're probably pretty busy, but if you were ever able to make a tutorial on this subject I would be incredibly grateful. In fact, the entire portion of the internet that's interested in the subject might be. Your replies here are the first I have ever seen, in fact, that offer a solution. Generally, on any forum or tutorial, you will see something like:

"well, you can do playlists and just deal with the 0.5-1 second delay as it switches streams"

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"This cannot be done with free software. BDedit can likely be used to achieve this, but it is mostly undocumented. The software you would actually need is $3,000-50,000"

Should also add that the software that will not be named is incredibly difficult to use. A simpler solution would really be great. 

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Why is it not named? Surely it isn't illegal to name it?

Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…

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PFClean

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Danfun128 said:

Why is it not named? Surely it isn't illegal to name it?

 No, of course not. I was being needlessly ominous about it. But was probably also leaving it out by name because I've essentially mentioned that I've used it and it didn't want the thread to turn to discussion of that software. Have yet to see threads here about it, and I guess I assume we don't tend to discuss things with absolutely zero legitimate consumer end use.

Also there's the google-incompetent contingent who may ask for help acquiring it. 

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towne32 said:

Oops, looks like I added to my post right as you were responding. Thanks for clarifying, though.

And, actually, I know you're probably pretty busy, but if you were ever able to make a tutorial on this subject I would be incredibly grateful. In fact, the entire portion of the internet that's interested in the subject might be. Your replies here are the first I have ever seen, in fact, that offer a solution. Generally, on any forum or tutorial, you will see something like:

"well, you can do playlists and just deal with the 0.5-1 second delay as it switches streams"

or

"This cannot be done with free software. BDedit can likely be used to achieve this, but it is mostly undocumented. The software you would actually need is $3,000-50,000"

Should also add that the software that will not be named is incredibly difficult to use. A simpler solution would really be great. 

I haven't tried it myself. The entire procedure is detailed here and appears to be perfectly straightforward. You simply need to change the "c" tags and the in-time. Here's a screenshot of T2 Skynet Edition showing the settings on a real-world commercial disc with branching:

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Thanks very much for the link. Will do some tests this weekend.

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As for your question on audio, I don't know the exact procedure, however I assume you keep the same structure for all files - for example:

.M2TS structure:

Track 1: Video
Track 2: Audio A
Track 3: Audio B
Track 4: Audio C
Track 5: Audio D

And then flag which tracks are available to the .mpls using the .cpli, however exactly how to do that I have no idea. The only other thing I would say is that I would also assume you need your codec and encoding settings to be constant throughout. That is to say while there's nothing stopping you from going from AVC 1080p to MPEG2 480i mid-movie that kind of change would undoubtedly cause a less seamless playback, and even going from the same codec to a different profile or other changes within the encoding settings might cause a delay in playback also.

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Things will be encoded in parallel just by enabling different layers and exporting to AME with identical settings, so hopefully not much issue.

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The discussions are proving very educational. When I get the chance I'll see about these solutions and run some tests. 

For those of you also looking into this, please let me know how your tests work out.  Thank you all. 

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Yes, this is really interesting stuff. I frequently use BD playlists to append extra material onto the front (and sometimes end) of existing streams, since it seems daft to re-encode an entire movie for the sake of a short logo replacement or added trailer reel.

I've used the playlist merge function in MultiAVCHD until now, but it's not a smooth enough switch to use for anything but a black and silent transition. BDedit might well give the solution, as long as I can match the asset properties.

RU.08, where does the 11.650 number come from? Is it simply a standard 'leader' length for branching clips?

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As you can see in my screenshot, that number (11.65 seconds) is what was used on the T2 Skynet BD. I will have a look soon and see what value is on the BR BD. As I understand it, the next clip is pre-loaded 11.65 seconds in advance (at least I think that's what it means, but in any case it's required for seamless branching according to the topics I've read).

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Yes, that makes sense - I guess the player's buffer cues up the incoming clip in parallel a few seconds in advance before making the switch. Like a TV studio :)

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Like a reel change ;)

Here's the BR BD, it has the same value:

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