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Yes, thanks for posting those Cloud City interior shots. :) Interesting, seems a little bit washed out and pink, the SWE is perhaps a little too orange though. Is the color correction on those final and is it possible to post not color corrected ones of those frames? I'm curious to see just how pink faded it is. Thanks.

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msycamore said:

Yes, thanks for posting those Cloud City interior shots. :) Interesting, seems a little bit washed out and pink, the SWE is perhaps a little too orange though. Is the color correction on those final and is it possible to post not color corrected ones of those frames? I'm curious to see just how pink faded it is. Thanks.

sure no problem,

those are just the first pass.

here's the original ones:

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we've been too distracted by something else

to get back to them! when we do i'll post a 

lot more.

later

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Yeah, that's the thing, it's from a seriously pink-faded print and when a print has as much fading as this ESB print, you basically have to re-time it in order to fix it, so you can hardly take it as a reference. I can sort of trust the SW print, since it's low fade, though apparently it's timed much colder than a normal projection print and it would be hard to determine how much colder exactly, so it's not the greatest reference either. So you'd actually need a reference to colour time both of those prints.

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Harmy said:

Yeah, that's the thing, it's from a seriously pink-faded print and when a print has as much fading as this ESB print, you basically have to re-time it in order to fix it, so you can hardly take it as a reference. I can sort of trust the SW print, since it's low fade, though apparently it's timed much colder than a normal projection print and it would be hard to determine how much colder exactly, so it's not the greatest reference either. So you'd actually need a reference to colour time both of those prints.

agreed

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ok, we're getting closer to the

mos eisley entrance...

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*NOTE : Flipped image around, thanks harmy!

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Nice!

semi-related: One thing that is interesting to me about the technidisc laser is that for some reason it's the most flattering to the matte painting of the soldiers during the end ceremony. (thanks to mysycamore I've become a big fan of that disc. It's not as blah as the gout, and unless it was left outside on the porch after 1993, I think that source could make a great basis for a Blade Runner-disc 3-type restoration. All the little dings and specks are really not any worse than the stuff dealt with years ago for ERASERHEAD, which I believe was self-financed by Lynch)  

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Ouch, that fading is quite severe, but looking at what can be done, going by that first pass color correction, I'm sure you will be able to make this look pretty nice. Anyway, thanks for posting.

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Looks good, at least at this resolution but why is it flipped?

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Baronlando said:

Nice!

semi-related: One thing that is interesting to me about the technidisc laser is that for some reason it's the most flattering to the matte painting of the soldiers during the end ceremony. (thanks to mysycamore I've become a big fan of that disc. It's not as blah as the gout, and unless it was left outside on the porch after 1993, I think that source could make a great basis for a Blade Runner-disc 3-type restoration. All the little dings and specks are really not any worse than the stuff dealt with years ago for ERASERHEAD, which I believe was self-financed by Lynch)  

Glad you like it. Don't know how it looks on a modern display but I think it looks quite good on an old CRT TV, at least the LD does, I guess it can also be refreshing when you've become used to the DVNR'ed THX transfer. That Absurda release of Eraserhead is one of my prized possessions along with his shortfilms of course. That's how a real artist treat his fans. I think I need to buy his coffe. :)

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Harmy said:

Looks good, at least at this resolution but why is it flipped?

oops.. yeah, didn't notice that!

good eye..

should be fixed now.

 

here's a link to the 2MB, 2736x1120 image,

feel free to correct it:

 

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http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1572/img4173csr.jpg

 

i have 4 different monitors:

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tv - red tint

second analog monitor to pc - slightly dark

tablet - yellow tint

second lcd monitor to tablet - blue tint

so the images, almost always look different

everywhere i look at them.

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Amazing colors on that print -1.

EDIT: Holy shit! that's how film should look, to me it seems to be in such good condition, that almost nothing needs to be done.

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As to the Technidisc/GOUT source - it seems from the Technidisc transfer that it was already yellowing in '92. Who knows what it looks like 20 years later? Even if it hasn't faded or yellowed any further, there's still the potential issue of vinegar syndrome...

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ok, still working my way up to

that landspeeder shot going

to the cantina:

(again, these are UNCORRECTED sample frames)

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TServo2049 said:

As to the Technidisc/GOUT source - it seems from the Technidisc transfer that it was already yellowing in '92. Who knows what it looks like 20 years later? Even if it hasn't faded or yellowed any further, there's still the potential issue of vinegar syndrome...

The source was actually turning red/pink, but I agree, it was an ok source for LD at the time nothing else.

Damn, the quality of those frames!!

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Wow.  I'd watch that raw!

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-1, I think you have a colorspace conversion error in those samples.

Black level is at 16 should be 0

White level is at 235 should be 255

Sometimes it gets this way depending on the program used to create the jpgs.

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Red5 said:

-1, I think you have a colorspace conversion error in those samples.

Black level is at 16 should be 0

White level is at 235 should be 255

Sometimes it gets this way depending on the program used to create the jpgs.

yeah, this is a simple export from avidemux,

i didn't mess around with the colors or options originally.

 

one quick try of changing the black levels blew out the whites.

feel free to correct, and post results.

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negative1 said:

Red5 said:

-1, I think you have a colorspace conversion error in those samples.

Black level is at 16 should be 0

White level is at 235 should be 255

Sometimes it gets this way depending on the program used to create the jpgs.

yeah, this is a simple export from avidemux,

i didn't mess around with the colors or options originally.

 

one quick of changing the black levels blew out the whites.

feel free to correct, and post results.

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No real need to correct the contrast is pretty good as it is, but perhaps in other samples it could be more noticeable.

I usually export from virtualdubmod, if it accepts the video file that is, and it won't do jpgs.

 

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ok, still working my way up to

that landspeeder shot going

to the cantina:

(again, these are UNCORRECTED sample frames)

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Well to be honest what do you plan to correct on these frames ? They look great to me

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pittrek wrote: Well to be honest what do you plan to correct on these frames ? They look great to me

womp rats maybe a flying droid...............................

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There are dirt, dust and scratches that could probably be fixed. The most obvious is the weird white scratchy line at the top of some frames?

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Yeah, I think that line would normally get cropped anyway. Otherwise, it's actually surprisingly clean. And I'm not talking grain, that's obviously been scrubbed somehow (probably compression and bad resizing) but in terms of dust and scratches this reel seems almost like new.

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going back a little further..

the rebels on the cruiser. before

the battle: 70 frames, sampled every 10

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-1, you are such a tease!  That looks stunning.  Hoping to hear more back at the blog.

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