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Here's the whole thing. I modified it slightly to shorten the amount of typing. I'm sure you get the gist however.

Once again, this is from the Star-Ledger Friday, May 20, 2005.

Headline: SIX IS ENOUGH
or is it? Lucas denies ever planning 9 episodes.
by Lisa Rose

Call them the Phantom Movies. During the prerelease hullaboo for TESB in 1980, Lucas suggested that the Skywalker saga would not be complete after 3 films or even 6 films. He spoke of intentions to make SW a 9-installment franchise.

It was widely reported in print throughout the 80s that he would create 2 follow-up trilogies, one going back in time to explore Vader's roots and another turing the clock ahead to revisit the further adventures of his heroic son Luke.

Yet it looks like that 3rd set of films has vanished from radar like a starship locked into lightspeed.

According to Lucas, the new jedi epic RotS is the swan song for the series. He believes the third prequel which follows Anakin's devolution into Vader, provides the closure fans seek.

"The (series) starts with Vader as a young lad and ends with him dying so I don't know where else I can take it," says Lucas. "It's what I wanted it to be."

The director denies ever stating that he'd make Ep 7-9, blaming the media for reporting rumors as fact in the early days of "Star Wars."

He said the hype was "created by you guys, not by me," while speaking to journalists during press day earlier this month at his Skywalker Ranch headquarters in Marin County, CA.

Technically, he never promised 9 movies, but the news stories of Luke redux weren't pure fiction.

"We made an announcement to the press, 'There's enough material for 3 trilogies,'" says Kurtz. "It wasn't 9 films were going to be made. It was to give you an idea of how much material was there."

Before Lucas wrote the script for "Star Wars", he put together a novel-length treatment tracing the intergalactic exploits of Skywalker and son. In the blueprint, the plot spanned beyond Luke's young adult years to portray him as an elder Jedi.

"He went on to become the master and pass on his training to someone else," Kurtz says.

Kurtz adds that at one point, there was even talk of expanding the chronicle to 12 chapters.

"There were a lot of things bandied about. There were people who wanted to do novels, tangential stories that have nothing to do with the main story of the films. Everyone one of those could be turned into a film. There was an idea about using R2-D2 and C3PO in a feature, or Han Solo's adventures. I suppose you could invent things forever, but I don't think anything concrete was too seriously considered."

According to Kurtz, the possibility of a 3rd trilogy diminished when Lucas veered from his treatment to create RotJ. The original tale he mapped out didn't feature Ewoks or a 2nd Death Star, and it culminated in the death of Han Solo. Leia parted ways with Luke to lead those who survived her home planet's destruction.

The most critical change, however, was incorporating what would have been the climax of Ep 9, a showdown between Luke and the Emperor.

"The idea was that the Emperor would be hinted at and maybe seen occasionally but there wouldn't be a final confrontation with him until the 9th story." says Kurtz, who ended his association with Lucas after Empire, patrially because he was displeased with the aforementioned revisions.

The Skywalkers are only going into semiretirement. They'll continue to cross lightsabers and pilot spaceships in othe mediums, including books, video games, comics, and a planned live-action TV series. There will be a 3d rerelease of all 6 movies starting in 07. Lucas authorizes these projects but has no creative involvement with them, content to let others run with his ideas.

"The TV shows and all that stuff, they're different from the saga, which is the 6 films." says Lucas. "I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that part of the world. It's a different world than my world."

In Lucas' world, the SW circle is complete. He plans to lower his directiorial profile and work on smaller, more personal pictures, he says. "I would lay money down that his heirs 20 years from now decide to continue the saga." says Anthony Ferrante, editor-in chief of Cinescape. "You can never say never. For the longest time, I thought, 'No, he'll never do more SW movies after Jedi. Its the 9-s., he's never gonna get around to it.' But he did."

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There you have it. I think Lucas is full of it. But that's just me. This article irks me a bit, though.
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yeah sure star wars, as originally written, couldve gone on for 12 movies, only lucas made vader lukes father, and it really limited that kind of story
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Well, Lucas is lieing.


I'm sorry but there to much proof aganist it, theres clips of Mark Hamill saying:
'At one point George Said: How would you fell about playing an Obi-Wan type character and pass down the lightsaber to another Generation. And I said well, when would that be and he'd say about 2010! And I would think it would be great to have something around the turn of the melinia!'

Or something along those lines. Lucas wanted to do 9, why else write a treatment for it? And he claims to have not read the novels? then anything could happen! People could make Han ditch Leia and go gay and want Luke! Would Lucas want that? NO! He'd have t stop it but how when he doesnt read the novels?

Lucas Lies: FACT!
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Yeah, I think Lucas is a liar when it comes to 'original vision' and things like that. I believe that his divorce was probably the straw that broke the camel's back. I think that's when he decided to make ROTJ the final Star Wars. I bet he regretted it by the time he wanted to make more Star Wars movies, and the prequels became his only option.
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One of these days I'm going to find another copy of that "Making of Empire" book, where George puts his foot in his mouth about all nine, (while being interviewed on the set of TESB by the official publicist for the movie!) and make a PDF file or something. Unless someone can suggest a non-destructive way to scan the pages of a fragile 25 year-old paperback?

Where were you in '77?

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i think lucas was really tired of star wars by the time of jedi so he decided to wrap it up. although i just read an old mark hamill interview before he made empire saying he was signed up for two more films and that was all, so who knows?
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George does like a lie everynow and again like the rest of us, my favourite one as has been mentioned is the current version of the original trilogy available as being his "original vision", and then it changes again, and I cant believe he doesnt know or has not any clue what goes in those books some of the time(though not necesserily reading them, a story and chracter outline he must see), and we all hope that him not wanting to release the O.O.T again is another lie(though I wouldnt count on that one).

As for the thread issue it does seem like Lucas was fed up with Star Wars by the time of Jedi and it may/may not have showed in the final product, and he I believe, I may be wrong, he was wanting to do less commerical filmaking(THX 1138 type things) at that point in time, and can well believe a 9 film trilogy was on the cards at one time or another....
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Didn't he go through this same song and dance after the first trilogy? How he'd do smaller films after RotJ? Boy, look at his resume. He sure did a lot of them. Now, he's singing again about doing small films again. Honestly, I don't think I believe anything he says.
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I was scouring the web and found these




Alan Arnold " Tell me more about the overall concept of the Star Wars saga"

George Lucas "There are essentialy nine films in a series of three trilogies, The first trilogy is about a young Ben Kenobi and the early life of Lukes father when Luke was a little boy, This Trilogy takes place twenty years before the second trilogy which includes Star Wars and Empire, About a year or two passes between each story of the Trilogy and about twenty-five years between the trilogies, The entire saga spans about fifty five years"

AA How much is written?

GL I have story treatments on all nine, I also have voluminous notes, histories and other material Ive devloped for other purposes, Some of it will be used, some not. Originally when I wrote Star Wars, it devloped into an epic on the scale of War and Peace, so big I couldnt possibly make it into another movie, So I cut it in half but it was still to big, so I cut each half into three parts, I then had material for six movies, After the success of Star Wars I added a trilogy and stopped there, primirily because reality took over. After all it takes three years to prepare and make a Star Wars picture, How many years are left? So I am left with three trilogies of nine films, At two hours each, thats about eighteen hours of film"


Bantha Tracks 1980

BT At one point there were gonna be twelve Star Wars films?

GL I cut the number down to nine because the other three were tangential to the saga, Star Wars was the fourth story in the saga and was to have been called Star Wars "Episode IV A New Hope". But I decided people wouldnt understand the numbering system so we dropped it, For "Empire" though we are putting back the number and will call it Episode V The Empire Strikes Back. After the third film of the trilogy we'll go back and make the first trilogy, which deals with the young Ben Kenobi and the young Darth Vader

BT What will the third trilogy be about?

GL It deals with the character that survives Star Wars III and his adventures


Time Magazine

In the sequels Luke will be 60 year old Jedi Knight The sequels focus mainly on Luke and Mark Hammill will get first crack at the role if hes old enough If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, the middle trilogy is more about personal growth and self-realization and the third deal with morals and philosophicals problems The sequals are about Jedi Knighthood, justice, confrontation and passing on what you have learned







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A third trilogy starring mark hamil, a new cast, and maybe some old ones, directed by anyone but george lucas, would be kinda nice... to little me anyway.
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BT What will the third trilogy be about?

GL It deals with the character that survives Star Wars III and his adventures


Was this quote taken pre-ROTJ? If so, is this character 'the other' that Yoda was originally referring to in ESB, and NOT Leia?
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the quote was taken from the 1980 fan club newsletter Bantha Tracks(i dont know the years for the others), I dont know who George was reffering to.

EDIT I assume Star Wars III is Return of the Jedi