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Idea: my ultimate Star Wars - Anthology DVD collection

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STAR WARS- The Anthology DVD collection

This is my guideline for the DVD collection I plan to assemble and create. This huge comprehensive set will enable anyone to watch every possible version of the film possible to this day, based on what I believe to be true.

Star Wars (13 disc DVD box set)

-1977 bootleg pan-scan (choice of original mono, patched version of Moth3r’s audio, or the EditDroid mono, if available)
-1992 widescreen (choice of original stereo mix, mono mix-created using a blend of best available material-, or the ’85 mix)
-1992 pan-scan (choice of mono mix-created using a blend of best available material-, the ’85 mix, or the original stereo Spanish mix. Perhaps alternate angle of opening crawl to include reformatted version from the ’85 UK broadcast)
-1993 widescreen (an exact duplication of the Definitive Collection, with letterbox picture, uncomressed Dolby Stereo, and commentary with pop-up subtitles)
-1995 widescreen (“faces” laserdisc transfer anamorphic. PCM THX mix, PCM ’85 mix, and PCM isolated score)
-1995 pan-scan (same as above)
-1997 widescreen (from SE laserdisc. Audio: Dolby stereo or 5.1 surround from LD)
-1997 pan-scan (same as above)
-Digital Broadcast capture of 1997 SE-widescreen
-2004 pan-scan (copy of available DVD disc)
-2004 widescreen (copy of available DVD disc)
-Hybrid widescreen (my own presentation of the 2004, 1997, and 1995 versions mixed together so as to create the highest quality original version available. Choice between original EditDroid crawl or revised crawl. DVD and SE shots will only be used if it is certain it has not been changed. Sound options: THX mix (PCM), ’77 stereo mix (PCM), ’77 mono mix (PCM), Definitive Edition commentary with blank areas filled with audio from interviews, documentaries, etc.(Dolby Digital Mono), and isolated score track (Dolby Digital).
-WookieGroomer split-screen comparison of 2004 and original version.

Every kind of subtitles imaginable will be on the discs (Mono mix, THX and stereo mix, 85 mix, commentary subtitles, Spanish subtitles, and possibly other foreign language subtitles), along with text commentary, lots of chapter stops, and good menus for each disc. I’ll put most of them into standard dual-disc slipcases (with the 1995 widescreen and pan-scan in the same case, for example) and house all of them in a large black box for my enjoyment. I have big plans for Empire and Jedi (and the prequels as well), as well as tons of special features (some that are not currently available, like a 70mm mix for Empire and Jedi, scenes with deleted music reinstated, all the available drafts, picture galleries of the original comics, timelines, storyboards, every documentary I can get my hands on (not just the four most well known, but the “Clapperboard,” “Heroes, Myth, and Magic”, and “Deleted Magic when it comes out, of course), but I want to deal with one thing at a time.

I am attempting to create a DVD set where I will be able to watch practically every different release of the movies all in one set. I’ll finally be able to sit back and replicate “Star Wars” in any way, shape, or form that I desire. I may go so far as to use branching technology to put various “Star Wars” commercials at the beginning of some discs (like the 1992 pan-scan) because I am using one transfer to represent them all (because they’re the same). That way, if you wanted to find out exactly what was on the 1987 VHS, you could pop in the ’92 pan-scan DVD, select the ’87 option, and get the original 10th anniversary commercial before the presentation.

I would love any suggestions on how to make this more comprehensive or complete. This would obviously be a huge undertaking for me, and I need all the help I can get.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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That lot should keep you busy for a night or two...............

I particularly like the pan-scan versions you are including. We did not even get a pan-scan 2004 version here in the UK.


As much as I love the ANH Split Screen, I would relish a version with the original crawl for the 1977 release.

Or how about a 3-way splitscreen?? The 1977, 1997 and 2004 versions on screen at once.
Failing that, how about a version comparing the 1977 and 1997, 1977 and 2004 and 1997 and 2004 versions, each on an alternate angle.

For this set, something like that would be the icing on the cake.

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"Failing that, how about a version comparing the 1977 and 1997, 1977 and 2004 and 1997 and 2004 versions, each on an alternate angle."

Dear sweet Jesus. you are ambitious! I don't think I have enough system memory for that!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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That's actually a really good idea (3 different angles comparing the 3 different versions). The quality wouldn't be so great (you can only pack so much into a DVD), but I have a double layer burner, which would make that possible. However, by the time I finish with it, the extra-extra special edition will probably have come out already!

I was probably going to wind up doing something like that anyway for my benefit, in preparation for my hybrid original widescreen version. I think doing that version will be fun because of the considerable quality difference between LD and DVD. I'll have to experiment in cutting from one to the other in places where it is least noticeable.

Another high priority disc for me is the widescreen '92 LD transfer with the EditDroid original crawl and the restored '77 mono mix (or original stereo mix). That should create the truest version of the film to date, and it'll be a pleasure to watch when completed.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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"Failing that, how about a version comparing the 1977 and 1997, 1977 and 2004 and 1997 and 2004 versions, each on an alternate angle."

Dear sweet Jesus. you are ambitious! I don't think I have enough system memory for that!



A project of that size would be very ambitious but if something like that were possible, the people with the skills to do it read this forum.

As a self-confessed video editing idiot I consider all the current projects as ambitious, as would 99.9% of the planets population!!!

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"but if something like that were possible"

Oh, it's possible alright. It just would take a lot of setting up, and a lot of disk space. Not to mention requiring all the different LDs in order to capture them.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: russs15
We did not even get a pan-scan 2004 version here in the UK.


Ah... civilisation! P&S is an abomination. I don't know what it's doing on any DVD. It should have died with VHS.

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Ah... civilisation! P&S is an abomination. I don't know what it's doing on any DVD. It should have died with VHS.


I agree 101%. However me being the insane completist geek that I am, even the really bad stuff has a home in my collection.

You gotta take the rough with the smooth hence the latest addition to my collection MTV - Star Wars vs the alien Celebrity Deathmatch, to go with the the abc Saturday Sneak Peek and Fun Fit Test with Tony Danza, See Threepio and Artoo Detoo I picked up the other week.

Back on topic, in my opinion for what it is worth, the pan-scan versions of Star Wars in all flavours have as much right to be preserved as any other version.

Anyone prepared to have a go at that has my full backing...............

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I will definitely be doing pan-scan DVDs of the original Star Wars, right along with the widescreen. There are a few reasons for this:

1. Pan-scan is what I grew up with (despite the fact that I like the widescreen better), and there's a certain sense of nostalgia in that I don't quite get from the widescreen, even though it's so much better and is the version I'll watch most.

2. Pan-scan, while chopping off the sides, provides greater detail of what you do see than widescreen. For shots changed in a small way in the SE, it could be used as better reference than widescreen.

3. My intentions are to be able to view Star Wars in every way that has been possible to this date. I welcome your suggestions for any other available transfers I've missed. Even if I can't get a hold of them, it's good to know they exist.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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I'll concede that backing up P&S from tape to DVD is somehow worth it. I wouldn't bother, personally, but I can understand the logic.

But why on earth are any new DVDs released as P&S?? That's just evil.
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I don't know. Probably because many consumers are too ignorant to realize the benefits of widescreen. You don't know how many people have complained that the movie they bought has the "top and bottom chopped off". It doesn't fill their little screen; therefore they think it's inferior to widescreen. My family didn't even get it until I sat down and explained that you're not getting more with P&S (they don't chop the image at the movie theatre). Rather, the film is shot in widescreen, a fact many people are ignorant of. Pretty much everyone who truly understands what goes on prefers widescreen, as far as I know.

Although owners of ancient 10 inch TV's probably prefer P&S to widescreen.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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EDIT: sorry, accidentally posted twice.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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These are my plans for the rest of the saga (not bonus features, just the movies in their different incarnations).


Empire

-1992 widescreen (from the old laserdiscs. Audio: THX mix PCM, 70mm mix PCM, original stereo mix PCM)
-1992 pan-scan (same as above)
-1993 widescreen (an exact duplication of the Definitive Collection, with letterbox picture, uncomressed Dolby Stereo, and commentary with pop-up subtitles)
-1995 widescreen (“faces” laserdisc transfer anamorphic. Audio: THX mix PCM, original stereo mix PCM, isolated score PCM)
-1995 pan-scan (audio same as above)
-1997 widescreen (from SE laserdisc. Audio: Dolby stereo or 5.1 surround from LD)
-1997 pan-scan (audio same as above)
-Digital Broadcast capture of 1997 SE-widescreen
-2004 pan-scan (copy of available disc)
-2004 widescreen (copy of available disc)
-Hybrid widescreen (my own presentation of the 2004, 1997, and 1995 versions mixed together so as to create the highest quality original version available. DVD and SE shots will only be used if it is certain it has not been changed, and grain might be added back into the DVD to help them mix. Sound options: THX mix (PCM), 70mm mix (PCM), original stereo mix (Dolby Digital), Definitive Edition commentary with blank areas filled with audio from interviews, documentaries, etc. (Dolby Digital Mono), and isolated score track (Dolby Digital). Two versions are accessible through seamless branching: 35mm and 70mm. For the 70mm, visual differences are reconstructed using the SE’s and reports from viewing the original 70mm. However, the appropriate audio tracks can be switched back and forth if desired (don’t know whether that is true).
-Split-screen comparison DVD of original and SE versions.

Return of the Jedi

-1992 widescreen (from the old laserdiscs. Audio: THX mix PCM, 70mm mix PCM, original stereo mix PCM)
-1992 pan-scan (same as above)
-1993 widescreen (an exact duplication of the Definitive Collection, with letterbox picture, misspelled subtitles (!), uncomressed Dolby Stereo, and commentary with pop-up subtitles)
-1995 widescreen (1995 widescreen (“faces” laserdisc transfer anamorphic. Audio: THX mix PCM, 70mm mix PCM, isolated score PCM)
-1995 pan-scan (same as above)
-1997 widescreen (from SE laserdisc. Audio: Dolby stereo or 5.1 surround from LD)
-1997 pan-scan (same as above)
-Digital Broadcast capture of 1997 SE-widescreen
-2004 pan-scan (copy of available disc)
-2004 widescreen (copy of available disc)
-Hybrid widescreen (my own presentation of the 2004, 1997, and 1995 versions mixed together so as to create the highest quality original version available. DVD and SE shots will only be used if it is certain it has not been changed, and grain might be added back into the DVD to help them mix. Sound options: THX mix (PCM), 70mm mix (PCM), original stereo mix (Dolby Digital), Definitive Edition commentary with blank areas filled with audio from interviews, documentaries, etc. (Dolby Digital Mono), and isolated score track (Dolby Digital).
-Split-screen comparison DVD of original and SE versions.

The Phantom Menace

-1999 widescreen (from laserdisc)
-1999 pan-scan (from VHS)
-2001 widescreen (copy of available DVD)
-2001 pan-scan (copy of available DVD)
-Hybrid widescreen (DVD and LD or VHS mixed to provide best quality theatrical version. Audioriginal PCM, Dolby Digital 5.1, Samuel Jackson’s narration for the blind (Dolby Digital), or theatrical Spanish mix PCM
-My own edit: my version of the movie, utilizing some of MagnoliaFan’s ideas and some of my own. (Audio: Dolby Digital, commentary by me)


Attack of the Clones

-2002 THEATRE widescreen (bootleg from theatre print)
-2002 widescreen
-2002 pan-scan
-Hybrid widescreen (DVD and bootleg mixed to provide best quality theatrical version).
-My own edit: my version of the movie, utilizing some of MagnoliaFan’s ideas and some of my own. (Audio: Dolby Digital, commentary by me)
-Hybrid widescreen digital theatrical edition (DVD and bootleg mixed)
-Hybrid widescreen IMAX cut (DVD and bootleg mixed)


Revenge of the Sith

-2005 THEATRE widescreen (bootleg from theatre print)
-2005 widescreen (copy of available DVD)
-2005 pan-scan (copy of available DVD)
-Hybrid widescreen (DVD and bootleg mixed to provide best quality theatrical version).
-My own edit: my version of the movie, utilizing some of MagnoliaFan’s ideas and some of my own (like making sure Yoda doesn’t go anywhere near a lightsaber). (Audio: Dolby Digital, commentary by me)


Some general questions:

1. How would I go about finding (or creating if necessary) footage and transitions from the 70mm edition of The Empire Strikes Back? Is there a complete list of visual differences available?

2. Was there any visual difference in 70mm and 35mm for ROTJ? Or is it like Star Wars (the only differences lay in the soundtracks).

3. Is the VHS pan-scan edition of Attack of the Clones different in any way from the DVD (besides the PCM audio)?

Thanks!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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I use a 20-year-old 13" color video monitor as my TV.

Pan and scan looks much better than 2.35:1 on something that small.

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)