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Star Wars 1977 70mm sound mix recreation [stereo and 5.1 versions now available] (Released) — Page 22

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hairy_hen said:

...here's another comparison file between the 70mm and the 2004 mix, in which I highlighted some of the worst-sounding parts of the latter in order to show just how drastic the degradation really is.  (I made this for a friend who is looking forward to seeing original version of the movie again for the first time in many years.)  Be sure to note the huge swell of static and distortion when the Death Star explodes; that's always good for a laugh.

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Everyone needs to listen to this. Just in case you think there's nothing to this or that you can't hear the difference. The 2004 mix is just gratingly awful and artificial and compressed...typical of much of pop music of the last 20 years. Fuck that shit I say! I salute you hairy...wow.

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hairy_hen, I have a question... is it possible to get a 1536k (max bit rate) DTS encode of your 5.1 audio? I know you want to do DTS-MA (lossless) and I'm all for that too, but I figure finding an encoder for that may prove difficult (or at least not free). I'm quite confident that the DTS at 1536k will sound better (from my experience, potentially much better) then the DD at 640k, and is the maximum that most receivers are still compatible with. At least, I figure it can't hurt to have it as an option, even if the difference turns out to be in my head.

Thank you much for your hard work! I love your stereo mix and I just got the FLAC version of it... muxing it into my despecalized 2.0 mkv right now.

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I don't think finding a DTS-MA encoder is the hold-up on getting the lossless version out.  h_h just sounds extraordinarily busy right now.  That said, I'd love an updated ETA on the lossless mix if there's anything to report.

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CatBus said:

I don't think finding a DTS-MA encoder is the hold-up on getting the lossless version out.  h_h just sounds extraordinarily busy right now.  That said, I'd love an updated ETA on the lossless mix if there's anything to report.

Perhaps it isn't a hold up for DTS-MA (I just assumed it was going to be quite hard to find without dishing out some major cash)... but I'd like a track judt DTS 5.1 either way, if it is possible.

BTW, I'm loving the FLAC audio track I muxed in! I feel like my ears are hearing lots of bits of detail that I didn't hear before.

Sorry to tack on another question too, but also was wondering... will you be using 24-bit audio any? DTS-MA would be nice with it... even a stereo mix FLAC with 24-bit would be nice too. I'm totally okay with what you put out though, don't get me wrong. I just love to get the best audio quality for Star Wars. And I will wait patiently for it; I understand you guys work out of your free time because of your passion for the movie. Thanks very much!

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Making a DTS-MA track shouldn't be too much of a worry, I've made a few myself using DTS-HD MA Suite Encoder which can also support up to 7.1. My only nitpick about that is it doesn't seem to encode if the internet is on, so I've had to disable my router whenever I encoded on there.

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hairy_hen said:

The 448 on the DVD is legit: I sent it to him a few days ago, but neglected to post the links here as well.  Here they are:

part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4

Looks like those links are now dead. I deleted the file by mistake and want it back...has anyone posted it to newsgroups? i'm not sure if the version there is the original one with high freq problems or the new one.

edit: there seems to be one that was posted on sept 2, but that seems too early for the corrected version.

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Ah, in any case, I seem to have found a file. Date modified 9/8. Probably the one. But it would be nice to have a crc/sha/some other hash to confirm it.

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^Did you see Post_512 in this thread? Maybe usenet is your only option? or maybe I'm just confused.

Incidentally, the last RAR part contain a crc32 hash for the complete file.
I'm a Linux user, but I'd expect WinRAR for example, should have some sort of 'View' mode where you could see that crc32.

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However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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Thanks dm - clearly was being sloppy. ill double check it now 

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hairy_hen said:

The 448 on the DVD is legit: I sent it to him a few days ago, but neglected to post the links here as well.  Here they are:

part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4

Looks like those links are now dead. I deleted the file by mistake and want it back...has anyone posted it to newsgroups? i'm not sure if the version there is the original one with high freq problems or the new one.

edit: there seems to be one that was posted on sept 2, but that seems too early for the corrected version.

These links still work:

 

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Here we go.  Fixed audio for all.

 

5.1, 448 kbps: part 1part 2part 3part 4

 

5.1, 640 kbps: part 1part 2part 3part 4part 5part 6

 

Lossless source files will be posted soonish, when I have time to do it.

 

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Darth Mallwalker said:

E36E79AB

Thanks again, DM - that is, indeed, the hash of the file I've got. Great.

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Infinity said:

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Right, so I didn't pay attention to the date of the post that I quoted, which was way too early to be of the corrected, non-distorted file...but thanks for quoting it; it'll be easier for lazy people to find (I'm counting myself here, too ;)

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hairy_hen said:

Here we go.  Fixed audio for all.

 

5.1, 448 kbps: part 1part 2part 3part 4

 

5.1, 640 kbps: part 1part 2part 3part 4part 5part 6

 

Lossless source files will be posted soonish, when I have time to do it.

When I extract the 6 parts of the 640 kbps, it tells me the archive is incomplete stopping around 218.4 mb without letting me know which part(s) are halting the extraction. I'll try again if it was only a fluke by chance, otherwise I'm open for tips.

EDIT: False alarm, it was part 3 just like other people happened to have trouble with. Got to work now, much thanks; are FLAC tracks available or is it advised to wait until loseless is finished to save space?

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Hi,

Thanks a lot for the great 5.1 track. I have synced a Turkish dub for the bluray version. I wonder is your track in sync with the bluray audio hairy_hen? Thanks again.

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If you mean the official Lucasfilm Blu-ray, then no, it's not synced to that.

If you mean Harmy's upcoming Despecialized 2.1 Blu-ray, then yes, it's synced to that.

...and if you have Turkish dubs synced to Harmy's releases (especially if you have the whole trilogy), boy would I like to hear those!

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CatBus said:

If you mean the official Lucasfilm Blu-ray, then no, it's not synced to that.

If you mean Harmy's upcoming Despecialized 2.1 Blu-ray, then yes, it's synced to that.

...and if you have Turkish dubs synced to Harmy's releases (especially if you have the whole trilogy), boy would I like to hear those!

Thanks for the explanation. I'll definetely snyc the Turkish dubs in my spare time. But how long will it take i don't know.

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Hey guys—I haven't been around lately, due to focusing on school and other interests (as well as a desire to only think about the SW films in terms of watching them, rather than scrutinizing and working on them), but I'll most likely be uploading the lossless files for the revised 70mm track pretty soon.

I'm pleased to relate that I've finally made the jump into the world of HDTV and Bluray, so my visual experience of watching movies at home at last matches up the aural end of having a good 5.1 system.  I have to say, I'm very impressed with how good the Despecialized Edition 2.0 looks even on DVD when put through a quality upscaler, so naturally seeing it in 720p will be a must when version 2.1 comes out.  A few years ago I never dreamed that watching Star Wars with such good picture and sound would actually be possible—and yet, here it is.  ;)

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Thanks in advance for those lossless files. They'll be a great addition to mine and DJ's project.

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Awesome news can't wait to hear it! 

Thanks Hairy hen

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h_h, you've done amazing work.  Your 5.1 mix is just incredible.

I was reading through some of the earlier posts in this thread, and I had a question about Luke's "spit" sound on the Death Star that you removed.  This is right after Luke says "what good will it do us if he gets himself killed.  Come on," right?  Just wanted to make sure I'm understanding those earlier posts correctly, because it sounds like you actually put it back in (which I think is a great decision by the way).

Anyone remember different camera angles from ROTJ?

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How about right now?  ;)

part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5, part 6, part 7, part 8, part 9, part 10, part 11, part 12, part 13, part 14, part 15, part 16, part 17

These links are for the six mono files that make up the 5.1 mix; note that they have to be combined in a multichannel form (be it wav, FLAC, raw PCM, DTS-HD MA, whatever) in order to be used.  I'll leave such specifics of format up to those who download them, but be sure to observe the correct channel mapping order for whatever format you end up going with—otherwise you'll have things coming out of the wrong speakers for the whole movie.  Each file is clearly labelled by channel.

You may notice that surround left is marked 'inverted', and this is because I manually flipped its polarity after the upmix was made, in order to spread the mono surround effects around the room somewhat and avoid the feeling of a phantom center behind the listener.  This kind of inversion also takes place in Dolby Prologic II movie mode; THX processors use a more sophisticated variable phase shift technique on the surrounds, but I didn't have the ability to make use of that.

Since I attended carefully to phase issues throughout the mix and arrived at what I felt was the best possible result, I would ask that it be used 'as is' and not subjected to further alteration (unless, of course, you think there's something actually wrong with it, in which case please let me know).  The exception would be for synchronizing to video with a different frame count, which I'm fine with as long as the edits are clearly documented.

Let me see, what else . . . ah yes, earlier there was a question about releasing a 24-bit version—but due the source tracks being from laserdisc, anything more would simply be a waste of space without any actual gain in sound quality.  Therefore the 5.1 is presented at 16-bit, 48 khz.  I do know that the actual 70mm mix has been digitally archived at extremely high resolution, so it is safely preserved for the future; but since I haven't got a copy of that (lol), my approximation of it will have to do.  I don't think anybody will be disappointed with the sound quality, anyway.

SpilkaBilka said:

h_h, you've done amazing work.  Your 5.1 mix is just incredible.

I was reading through some of the earlier posts in this thread, and I had a question about Luke's "spit" sound on the Death Star that you removed.  This is right after Luke says "what good will it do us if he gets himself killed.  Come on," right?  Just wanted to make sure I'm understanding those earlier posts correctly, because it sounds like you actually put it back in (which I think is a great decision by the way).

Thank you!  I'm always glad to hear that my work is enjoyed.  Yes, the spit sound did get taken out from the previous version, but this time I left it in for the sake of authenticity to the original, since it can clearly be heard on the in-theatre recording.

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Thank you so much, and I'm sorry if I stepped on any toes with my recent sync-edit of your ROTJ purist mix.  No offense was intended, and I tried to make sure people knew that any problems with it were likely from me, not you.

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Thanks a lot from DJ and me for the lossless files! These will make a great addition to our project.

Might be too early to ask, but are you planning any updates to your ESB and ROTJ mixes in the future?

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Will any here be uploading this to myspleen?