Star Trek TNG on BluRay confirmed ! — Page 6

doubleofive said:

 

Warbler said:

Chewtobacca said:

doubleofive said:
The issue with that would be every viewscreen, phaser blast, and transporter effect has to be redone, meaning flipping back and forth between 1080p and less-than-DVD quality quite frequently.  I don't think seamless branching is an option, you'd have to have the entire series on the discs twice.

This.  TNG is simply not in the same situation as TOS.  Even TOS space scenes look quite bad on BD: if I want to see the original effects, which I often do, it's less jarring to watch the DVDs.

What do mean the TOS space scenes look bad on the BD?  May I remind you the special effect scenes done in the 1960s?  Do they really look better on the DVD or is it just a problem of going from the HD non-space scenes to the non-HD space scenes?

The TOS Blu space scenes are in HD.

 

huh? so what Chewtobacca wrong when he said this?

Chewtobacca said:.  I wish TNG were in the same situation as TOS and that only the space scenes were done on video, but it's not the case, and I really don't see how including the original effects is feasible.

if the TOS space scenes were done on video, how were they able to get transfer them to HD?   I thought that the problem of getting the original effects from TNG transferred to HD was that they were all done on video and not film.   

Bingowings said:

I remember there were jokes at the time about the jellyfish people being gays because they were both blue, now one of them is pink.

Star Trek is the most homophobic Science Fiction series on the planet.

If this is the best you can offer as evidence, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree.  The episode The Outcast was nothing if not obviously supportive of gay rights.  Perhaps there is more evidence you could provide to indicate otherwise, but it's always been a rather liberal show.  The Original Series was pretty macho, so maybe that's what you refer to.

EDIT: Under background information in the link, it includes other episodes that address homosexuality as well.  It also says that the Enterprise series did indeed arouse people's ire over homosexuality.  Still, I think it is not a homophobic show in general.

Putting my serious face on now when you look at the number of science fiction shows that have included homosexual characters without even making an issue of it and Trek can only do it obliquely in a 'special' cause story involving tri-sexual aliens or Trill symbionts getting back together with former spouses after a host gender swap the show does have a really crappy record for a fictional universe constantly waving a liberal flag.

On the other end of the daisy chain we have bloody Torchwood making out everything in the universe isn't just open to any form of sex but under some kind of contractual obligation to perform at the drop of a hat.

Star Trek leads can only be that wanton in mirror universes and only if they are female and dress in bondage gear. 

darth_ender said:

Bingowings said:

Star Trek is the most homophobic Science Fiction series on the planet.

its posts like this that remind me why I have Bingowings on ignore.

Happy new year Warb, Spock to my Bones.

Warbler said:

What do mean the TOS space scenes look bad on the BD?  May I remind you the special effect scenes done in the 1960s?  Do they really look better on the DVD or is it just a problem of going from the HD non-space scenes to the non-HD space scenes?

It's a problem of going from the non-space scenes, which have cleaned up really well, to the space scenes, which haven't.  That's what I meant when I said that watching the DVDs was less jarring.  I'm not saying that the effects look bad because they're dated.

huh? so what Chewtobacca wrong when he said this?

Chewtobacca said:.  I wish TNG were in the same situation as TOS and that only the space scenes were done on video, but it's not the case, and I really don't see how including the original effects is feasible.

if the TOS space scenes were done on video, how were they able to get transfer them to HD?

I didn't mean to imply that TOS space scenes were done on video.  I meant that I wish that TNG and TOS were in the same situation in terms of seamless branching because if the only scenes with video effects from TNG were the space scenes then branching might be possible.  Sorry, I should have been more precise.  Doubleofive is right: TOS space scenes were on film.

@Tobar

The information you posted sounds very promising.

My big question is do these new effects make the series actually interesting?  It doesn't sound like it.

doubleKO said:

Chewtobacca said:

Warbler said:

What do mean the TOS space scenes look bad on the BD?  May I remind you the special effect scenes done in the 1960s?  Do they really look better on the DVD or is it just a problem of going from the HD non-space scenes to the non-HD space scenes?

It's a problem of going from the non-space scenes, which have cleaned up really well, and the space scenes, which haven't.  That's what I meant when I said that watching the DVDs was less jarring.  I'm not saying that the effects look bad because they're dated.

I know you said they look less jarring on the DVD, do you think they look better on the DVD than on the blu ray?

Sluggo said:

Man, I missed Sluggo.

Warbler said: do you think they look better on the DVD than on the blu ray?

The space scenes look better overall on the BD, but for me this is a case of high definition highlighting deficiencies in material that are less apparent in standard definition.

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/reviews/star-trek-the-next-generation-the-next-level-blu-ray-review.html

The screenshots look lovely

Bingowings said:

Putting my serious face on now when you look at the number of science fiction shows that have included homosexual characters without even making an issue of it and Trek can only do it obliquely in a 'special' cause story involving tri-sexual aliens or Trill symbionts getting back together with former spouses after a host gender swap the show does have a really crappy record for a fictional universe constantly waving a liberal flag.

On the other end of the daisy chain we have bloody Torchwood making out everything in the universe isn't just open to any form of sex but under some kind of contractual obligation to perform at the drop of a hat.

Star Trek leads can only be that wanton in mirror universes and only if they are female and dress in bondage gear. 

So true. Maybe since it was such a high profile show they felt the need to tread lightly. Then again, that was back in the 90's, a lot has changed since then (of course, the later 90's also brought us Will & Grace, and plenty of other mainstream TV that wasn't afraid to portray openly gay characters who were proud to be openly gay). If I remember correctly, the tri-sexual alien episode (which felt really forced, Riker doesn't seem like the type that would be up for it with an androgynous alien, but it wasn't about telling a decent story, it was about proving Star Trek was still on the cutting edge), stirred up a bit of a fuss. Torchwood is just over the top ridiculous! Everybody in that show is bi and is dying for a ride on Capt. Jack.

The original premise for Jack was that in the future was that you have all these different genders and all these different aliens and it no longer mattered, whoever could hook up with whomever. In Doctor Who he would flirt with men, women, and aliens alike, in Torchwood he seems to have evolved into an exclusively homosexual character, completely ignoring the attractive women around him.

The irony being that I can't stand Jack but was easily distracted by those once in a while 'Frakes reveals his chest rug' episodes.

The guy had the second most weirdly proportioned (in a good way) upper torso in the show, Riker ended up marrying the other one.

Very little appreciation for the hairy chests these days. I remember several years back thinking, "Well, at least James Bond still has a hairy chest and the ladies are nuts about him". Then damn Daniel Craig came along.

Heading into the zone of TMI:

I have an awesomely hairy chest that I refuse to shave or nair (Sean Connery hairy, not Austin Powers hairy), regardless of the fact I have had at least two women tell me it is a bit off putting. :(  But I have had twice that many tell me it is ridiculously sexy. It is like this division among women that rivals the PT vs. OT SW schism. You never know what the reaction is going to be when the shirt comes off.

All that being said... Wooooo, TNG on Blu-ray!

Women...some of them are nuts.

CP3S said:

Bingowings said:

Putting my serious face on now when you look at the number of science fiction shows that have included homosexual characters without even making an issue of it and Trek can only do it obliquely in a 'special' cause story involving tri-sexual aliens or Trill symbionts getting back together with former spouses after a host gender swap the show does have a really crappy record for a fictional universe constantly waving a liberal flag.

On the other end of the daisy chain we have bloody Torchwood making out everything in the universe isn't just open to any form of sex but under some kind of contractual obligation to perform at the drop of a hat.

Star Trek leads can only be that wanton in mirror universes and only if they are female and dress in bondage gear. 

So true. Maybe since it was such a high profile show they felt the need to tread lightly. Then again, that was back in the 90's, a lot has changed since then (of course, the later 90's also brought us Will & Grace, and plenty of other mainstream TV that wasn't afraid to portray openly gay characters who were proud to be openly gay). If I remember correctly, the tri-sexual alien episode (which felt really forced, Riker doesn't seem like the type that would be up for it with an androgynous alien, but it wasn't about telling a decent story, it was about proving Star Trek was still on the cutting edge), stirred up a bit of a fuss.

I could start and argument about this, but I won't.  Suffice it to say I that disagree with you about homosexuals and Star Trek.   

Yeah but you could be a bit more specific about why you disagree without getting into an argument.

That is really weird they changed one of the jellyfish to pink. There is really no logical sense to it, beyond them responding to the gay jellyfish jokes. Which would be really stupid, why do extra terrestrial jellyfish have to conform to Earth's western culture's view of gender color coding? Changing the color is a dumb and puzzling move. 

Warbler said:

I could start and argument about this, but I won't.  Suffice it to say I that disagree with you about homosexuals and Star Trek.   

You seem to be getting a bit upset by this discussion. Why? If you disagree with Bingo's feelings about Star Trek being a bit homophobic for a show that tried to make itself out to be a liberal wet-dream, why not make your case?

I find it an interesting discussion. I remember reading somewhere that back when the show was still airing, a gay sci-fi fan club called the gaylaxians were a bit irked with the writers who had made all sorts of promises about having a gay full time cast member and being on the forefront of the gay rights movement as they were on the forefront of the civil rights movement before that, but yet all those promises kind of fell flat before all was said and done.

*sigh*