Star Trek Into Darkness Full Spoiler Discussion — Page 2

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Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have been collaborating on shitty scripts together for ages. From the awful Hercules and Xenia television series to many of the big crappy blockbusters that his cinemas in recent years. You have them to thank for the scripts of such wonderful films as The Island, all three Transformer films, both Star Treks, and Cowboy's and Aliens. They are Hollywood's go to guys for fluffy action flicks where the dialogue doesn't really matter in the least. Lindeloff is probably the most talented of the three.

Lindelof and Abrams are not in Hollywood to tell a story, they are there to manipulate audiences in order to make money off a broken system. It's like how they wasted 6 years of everyone's lives with LOST and the cynical exercises of the last few years (Super 8, Prometheus). Only in a world where the bar has been so lowered in American cinema can these people be successful in their manipulation.

Just saw it yesterday. No offense, but you guys never fail to surprise me with your cynicism and apparent inability to enjoy things for what they are. I absolutely LOVED this film. Possibly my favorite Trek movie of all time.

The rumors have been speculating a Khanbermatch for some time now, and going into the movie I really put it at the back of my mind because I didn't want it to happen. Not because I didn't like Khan, on the contrary I love Wrath of Khan as much as the next guy. But, I felt Khan was well and covered between Space Seed and WOK. 

However, when he showed up here, it was clear from the reveal that this was new ground. And it all was. My main worry when the Khan rumors were circulating was that they were going to just retread WOK. But this felt wholly original. Really everything he did here was new. That made me happy, and it made me okay that they didn't do more with him because I really didn't feel they needed to, or should, tread ground that had already been very well trodden. Of course I'll admit that making him Khan and not one of the others wasn't entirely necessary, and getting over the fact that Cumbermatch looked nothing like Montalban took a bit. (Speaking of unnecessary: the Nimoy cameo.)

As for the other shout outs to WOK, I thought they were well placed and properly executed, and just fresh enough to still make me happy. Or sad in the case of Kirk's death. Yeah, I'll admit it. I cried. (Though I have to say Spock yelling "KHAAAAAN" in the middle of my crying spell killed it a bit, but I'll probably be more okay with it on second viewing.)

Anyways I am beyond pumped for Trek 3, or whatever they'll call it, Return of the Trek or some shit. Should be amazing, and, if they keep up the quality, this will easily be one of the greatest film trilogies ever.

Abrams has no respect for what makes Star Trek the franchise it was, he just wants to make marketable action films and nothing more. Whatever directorial style people think he has is either taken from Spielberg or bland and forgettable.

Damon Lindelof is a con man. He doesn't care about writing a good script, he just wants to fuck around with the audience and take their money in the process. People think there is something deeper to his work, but it is more shallow than a dry rain puddle. 

I disagree about the dramatic tension being lost on Kirk's death. Even though I forgot about the tribble by the time Kirk was dying, I knew he wouldn't stay dead for long. But that didn't matter. To Kirk, and to Spock, he was dying. And he died. They were feeling some pretty strong emotions, and, because I love these characters so much, and, because the scene was so well executed, I felt those emotions with them.

I will concede that this definitely isn't as uplifting as the previous one. It's actually that very fact that's making me consider my preference towards Into Darkness. Honestly, this reminds me of my feelings toward Star Wars. I used to think ESB was the greatest, by SW just got this great feeling of hope to it. Star Trek 09's got that too. I don't know. I'll have to wait some time to see how my opinions form.

DominicCobb said:

if they keep up the quality, this will easily be one of the greatest film trilogies ever.

Wow! No offense, but some of you guys never fail to surprise me with how willing you are to consume and enjoy pure shit. If you enjoyed it, great. But seriously, one of the greatest film trilogies ever?

This is why Orci, Kurtzman, Abrams, and Bay are some of the hottest names as well as the go to guys in Hollywood right now. Mix some dog awful but sometimes quipy dialogue over a tried and true (and tired) plot, add pretty lights and explosions, a few pairs of tits and some hot young faces, and BAM! Hollywood magic! Enthralled audiences! Raking in money by the millions!

Ugh!

SilverWook said:

The Vengeance crashing into skyscrapers unfortunately took me out of the movie. We don't need disaster porn in Trek.

This part bugged me too. We made a big deal about saving the crew of the Enterprise. We made a big deal about Kirk dying. Then we crash a giant ship into a city that would have easily killed far more in number than the entire crew of the Enterprise. With the number of buildings that monstrosity of a ship plowed through, this disaster must have been like 9/11 many, many times over. Nothing about this horrible disaster is ever mentioned and we transition to a smiley happy ending because, wooo, Kirk is alive again and the crew of the Enterprise survived to go on an exciting mission of exploration. Cue cheery TOS end credit music.

I feel like Spock should be standing trial for irresponsibly destroying a giant spaceship in a way that caused it to crash land on a densely populated city.

The whole scene existed solely for the whole "Whoa! Would you look at all the pretty EXPLOSIONS and DESTRUCTION!!! WAHHH!!! YEAAH!!! WOOOOOO!!!" effect.