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This is great. I can’t wait to be able to access the videos.
STAR TREK DEEP SPACE NINE - AI-Upscaling Project (DVD to 1080pHD)
This project started back in March 2020 during the first Covid-related lockdown as a sort of “little thing on the side”, but has since become a serious “work I feel passionate about”; now, after many years of trial and error (and previous attempts at posting my results), I feel confident enough to try again.
Be aware: This version is a downsized/compressed version of my original 1080pHD-Upscales and intended for everyone who has to be mindful of his/herr HDD-space! The episodes have about 1 GB per standard episode.
And now, for the details:
1.) The Person Behind The Project
2.) The Reasons & Goals For The Project
3.) Details On The Source Material
4.) Technical Specifications Of The Upscaled Episodes
5.) The Technology Involved In Realizing The Project
6.1.) Workflow (short)
6.2.) Worflow (detailed)
7.) The Benefits Of This Project
8.) Rules Of Conduct Regarding This Project
9.) How Can I Access Materials From This Project?
10.) Questions And Answers Regarding This Project
So, that’s it - Have fun with the project!
Regards,
Leland
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Season 1, episodes 1&2, “Emissary” (Pilot) - is done.
Image Gallery (with slider): https://imgsli.com/MjkyOTAz
Images also below (PAL-DVD):
Images also below (1080pHD-Upscale):
More to follow - stay tuned!
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This is great. I can’t wait to be able to access the videos.
@zombiedog:
PM me for access 😉
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Hi Leland,
Thanks for updating me recently on your progress. I’m all in on your work. Thank you so much. I have not been on OT in a while, but am an original member. I need help. How do I PM you?
Richard
@rgstammer:
Just right click on my profile/name, then start a private topic.
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Hello there community - Season 1, episodes 1&2 “Emissary” now available!
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A few thoughts on the video quality so far as I’m watching it. It’s definitely an improvement on the sub-480p TV quality, but a few things stand in the little bit of skipping around I’ve done. (I used to have Emissary on VHS and watched it so much I practically know this episode by heart). I’d say about 98% of the time things look amazing! I know AI upscalers can be finicky and definitely aren’t perfect, but every once in a while it does detract from the scene.
The AI upscaler seems to have some problems with teeth and skin texture. Sisko’s talk with Jake at the beginning looks odd, like he’s got scar tissue on the right side of his face. It also can’t seem to hold on to things like dimples and forehead wrinkles. Bashir straight up gets one of those vertical facebones some aliens in Star Trek seem to have when he picks up the little doodad off the wrecked desk. It looks like the upscaler tries to give Opaka a mustache when she tells Sisko about the Orbs. Inconsistent fabric texture on uniforms. Little stuff, but noticeable enough to make me go “that looks odd.” It seems to look best when scenes are darker, though occasionally you’ll have scenes like when Dukat’s ship makes its appearance and it looks like everyone’s got little coronas around them.
Also, for compression, I would suggest looking up other-transcode. It’s a command-line program that’s essentially automatic and very easy to use. Your video files might be a little bit bigger than 1GB but it’s much faster, and in some cases actually outdid Handbrake in terms of quality while still having a smaller file.
Thanks for the advice. I have also noticed the upscaler still not being “consistent enough” - it can’t hold on to fine details, sometimes even in the close-ups. Still the best I could come up with so far.
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Thanks for the advice. I have also noticed the upscaler still not being “consistent enough” - it can’t hold on to fine details, sometimes even in the close-ups. Still the best I could come up with so far.
I’ve not watched it yet but I have a feeling that seasons 1-3 are going to be harder to upscale than 4-7 because the source videos are lower quality on the 1-3 DVDs. I think they used higher quality tape to edit from season 4 on as there is a noticeable increase of quality from season 4 onwards.
Thanks for the advice. I have also noticed the upscaler still not being “consistent enough” - it can’t hold on to fine details, sometimes even in the close-ups. Still the best I could come up with so far.
I’ve not watched it yet but I have a feeling that seasons 1-3 are going to be harder to upscale than 4-7 because the source videos are lower quality on the 1-3 DVDs. I think they used higher quality tape to edit from season 4 on as there is a noticeable increase of quality from season 4 onwards.
Unfortunately that’s true. Watching the DVDs, you can see noticeable quality differences as follows: Seasons 1 & 2 are visually just bad (some more than others), season 3 is better, but still not good, a markable improvement is season 4 (image is sharper, more grain is present and details are clearer) and from season 5 onwoards it’s good DVD-quality.
I think the reason is that (if I remember correctly) they used tapes for seasons 1-2 and went digital around the time season 3 came along, switching over completely in season 4.
It’s similar with Voyager, the first digital models were used during season 3 (the first completely digitally rendered Voyager model was used in the episode “Unity” I believe).
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Thanks for the advice. I have also noticed the upscaler still not being “consistent enough” - it can’t hold on to fine details, sometimes even in the close-ups. Still the best I could come up with so far.
I’ve not watched it yet but I have a feeling that seasons 1-3 are going to be harder to upscale than 4-7 because the source videos are lower quality on the 1-3 DVDs. I think they used higher quality tape to edit from season 4 on as there is a noticeable increase of quality from season 4 onwards.
Unfortunately that’s true. Watching the DVDs, you can see noticeable quality differences as follows: Seasons 1 & 2 are visually just bad (some more than others), season 3 is better, but still not good, a markable improvement is season 4 (image is sharper, more grain is present and details are clearer) and from season 5 onwoards it’s good DVD-quality.
I think the reason is that (if I remember correctly) they used tapes for seasons 1-2 and went digital around the time season 3 came along, switching over completely in season 4.
It’s similar with Voyager, the first digital models were used during season 3 (the first completely digitally rendered Voyager model was used in the episode “Unity” I believe).
I’m pretty sure they were all edited on tape, or at least the final edits were committed to a tape and even after the increase of image quality post season 4. I think the quality of tape they were recorded to had just improved.
I’ve had a look through the pilot and it’s a really great effort but I think that it’s kind of a lost cause for these early seasons to try and upscale them. Everything comes across as too smooth and in wide shots you can see that the AI algorithm is trying to draw faces on the characters. One thing that might help it a little, I know that Topaz has the option to add grain to the image. A small coating of grain might cover up these more obvious AI upscaling artifacts. I’m not saying give up, I’m just saying that the early seasons are probably not going to cope well with the upscale to 1080p. I’d be really interested to see what “The Way of the Warrior” were to come out like using the exact same method. I would bet that it comes out a lot better because the quality of the source is much higher.
@zombiedog:
Well, it’s been a long time since I have been reading up about the way DS9 and Voyager were produced, worked on and stored on DVD - yeah, I think you are correct about the episodes all being composited on tape (post production was done on tape, adding the vfx and such).
I was also aware about the Grain option in Topaz, but for me it was kind of a mixed bag - I guess I’ll stick with my workflow so far. But I will have a look on season 3, possibly adjusting it, since the quality was slightly better there and would perhaps need “less aggressive work”. Season 4 onwards certainly will need modifications and I will have to do some trial and error again.
On a side note: Seasons 1 & 2 of DS9 are now finished and I am uploading - episodes will be available to those who ask and after each example post in the open topic is done.
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But I wouldn’t call it a “lost cause”, possible a “difficult task” - but I am persistent.
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But I wouldn’t call it a “lost cause”, possible a “difficult task” - but I am persistent.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to sound so dismissive or disrespectful to your work.
I am very interested to see what is produced and I appreciate the effort being put into this project. It does seem that the better results are going to come from the later seasons.
Thinking about it even the other episodes of season 1 and 2 might come out better because as memory serves the pilot always looked the worst out of everything.
@zombiedog:
No worries, you didn’t sound disrespectful or dismissive - everything’s good.
And I totally understand what you meant - many times in the past I thought about stopping or investing in the project, but I am to stubborn to stop 😉
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@zombiedog:
No worries, you didn’t sound disrespectful or dismissive - everything’s good.
And I totally understand what you meant - many times in the past I thought about stopping or investing in the project, but I am to stubborn to stop 😉
Never stop being stubborn 😄
Season 1, episode 3, “Past Prologue” - is done.
Image Gallery (with slider): https://imgsli.com/MjkzNDc2
Images also below (PAL-DVD):
Images also below (1080pHD-Upscale):
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Those screenshots do look like more of an improvement and seem to have less of the AI artefacts than The Emissary had. I look forward to watching the whole episode 😃
@zombiedog:
Yeah, the source material (PAL-DVD) had a “slight” quality increase as the episodes went on, unfortunately not much. The worst episode (visually speaking) is episode 8 titled “Dax” - the source (both PAL and NTSC) looks like a very badly recorded vhs-tape: It’s soft-focused, blurry and generally has a sort of “misty/gloomy” appearance.
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Season 1, episode 4, “A Man Alone” - is done.
Image Gallery (with slider): https://imgsli.com/MjkzNjg3
Images also below (PAL-DVD):
Images also below (1080pHD-Upscale):
Have fun!
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Yes, in my own upscaling attempt I was shocked by how bad Dax was. I thought for sure that I must have done something wrong when I saw how blurred the end credits were.
I always mix Dax and Invasive Procedures up.
Yes, in my own upscaling attempt I was shocked by how bad Dax was. I thought for sure that I must have done something wrong when I saw how blurred the end credits were.
I guess something went wrong during the transfer from the tapes to DVD … since it’s present in both the NTSC and PAL version.
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I always mix Dax and Invasive Procedures up.
Well, they’re both centered around the character, so it’s understandable
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